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		<title>By: Sunrun Nails It with Funny New Solar Ads (&#38; Jon Stewart Nails Trump&#8217;s Wind Turbine Concerns) - CleanTechnica</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/04/21/solar-money-for-you/#comment-120655</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sunrun Nails It with Funny New Solar Ads (&#38; Jon Stewart Nails Trump&#8217;s Wind Turbine Concerns) - CleanTechnica]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2012 23:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] one of the more surprising facts about people who go solar &#8212; for the most part, they do it for the money. The video above is probably my favorite, but the two below are pretty awesome, [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] one of the more surprising facts about people who go solar &#8212; for the most part, they do it for the money. The video above is probably my favorite, but the two below are pretty awesome, [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Amy Bowman</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/04/21/solar-money-for-you/#comment-119619</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Amy Bowman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2012 16:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So true - solar isn&#039;t just for hippies or environmentalists. It is also for people looking to tighten up their budgets and save. I think more consumers are starting to realize this, but we have a way to go.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So true &#8211; solar isn&#8217;t just for hippies or environmentalists. It is also for people looking to tighten up their budgets and save. I think more consumers are starting to realize this, but we have a way to go.</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/04/21/solar-money-for-you/#comment-119514</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey, simply put:

1) i don&#039;t think the leasing companies are scamming people -- i think they are making money while also providing a useful service to society and their customers. in most situations, i do think solar leasing is smarter than not going solar at all.

2) i do think that, in most situations, going solar yourself has a better payback.

3) that said, logically or not (&amp; i would say not), many people would prefer to earn less in the long run but pay less up front. i wouldn&#039;t, but i&#039;m well aware that many people would. i&#039;ve actually taught English for years on the side, and a question i asked countless times was if people would rather have $1,000 today or $10,000 in 10 years, nearly everyone said the former. is that logical? not for most of them. do they care? apparently not. do i understand it? only theoretically.

4) i do think solar leasing companies have done a lot better marketing their options than most other solar companies. of course, the tantalizing $0 down certainly helps.

I&#039;d love to feature a piece comparing going solar on one&#039;s own vs solar leasing for a specific property or more. Unfort., i don&#039;t have any property
in the U.S. do run such a comparison with. You happen to? Possibly even
into supplying a guest post?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, simply put:</p>
<p>1) i don&#8217;t think the leasing companies are scamming people &#8212; i think they are making money while also providing a useful service to society and their customers. in most situations, i do think solar leasing is smarter than not going solar at all.</p>
<p>2) i do think that, in most situations, going solar yourself has a better payback.</p>
<p>3) that said, logically or not (&amp; i would say not), many people would prefer to earn less in the long run but pay less up front. i wouldn&#8217;t, but i&#8217;m well aware that many people would. i&#8217;ve actually taught English for years on the side, and a question i asked countless times was if people would rather have $1,000 today or $10,000 in 10 years, nearly everyone said the former. is that logical? not for most of them. do they care? apparently not. do i understand it? only theoretically.</p>
<p>4) i do think solar leasing companies have done a lot better marketing their options than most other solar companies. of course, the tantalizing $0 down certainly helps.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to feature a piece comparing going solar on one&#8217;s own vs solar leasing for a specific property or more. Unfort., i don&#8217;t have any property<br />
in the U.S. do run such a comparison with. You happen to? Possibly even<br />
into supplying a guest post?</p>
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		<title>By: Kirkton007</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/04/21/solar-money-for-you/#comment-119349</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2012 02:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Zach,
Normally, I love your postings, always look forward to them.  In this case, I see you still don&#039;t get it!  Let me ask you this; How many people would have bought their solar system instead of leasing it if they were capable of doing the simple math and knew the truth?  YES, solar leasing is better than no solar but again the point is the lease is nothing less than a scam.  I am 100% convinced after doing the research and being in this business for over five and a half years that the leasing companies are scamming their customers into thinking they are getting something for nothing when the truth is they could have had a much better outcome if they purchased instead of leasing.
Zach, why don&#039;t you do an article exposing the truth about leasing vs purchasing?  You would be doing a great justice to those that are looking into solar for the first time!
Thankx for listening.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zach,<br />
Normally, I love your postings, always look forward to them.  In this case, I see you still don&#8217;t get it!  Let me ask you this; How many people would have bought their solar system instead of leasing it if they were capable of doing the simple math and knew the truth?  YES, solar leasing is better than no solar but again the point is the lease is nothing less than a scam.  I am 100% convinced after doing the research and being in this business for over five and a half years that the leasing companies are scamming their customers into thinking they are getting something for nothing when the truth is they could have had a much better outcome if they purchased instead of leasing.<br />
Zach, why don&#8217;t you do an article exposing the truth about leasing vs purchasing?  You would be doing a great justice to those that are looking into solar for the first time!<br />
Thankx for listening.</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/04/21/solar-money-for-you/#comment-119236</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2012 22:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[On the solar leasing segment, i&#039;ll just note: how many people have gone solar through a lease who wouldn&#039;t have gone solar anyway?

yes, people might be (i mean, are) bad at doing simple math.

yes, solar leasing companies are making a profit on their work.

but i&#039;m certainly not convinced solar leasing is worse than not going solar at all. and if they can convince people to go solar who wouldn&#039;t otherwise, i&#039;m all for it. in some ways, i think it&#039;s a testament to the failure of other solar companies to get people going solar. business isn&#039;t just about what you offer, it&#039;s about &#039;selling&#039; that product.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the solar leasing segment, i&#8217;ll just note: how many people have gone solar through a lease who wouldn&#8217;t have gone solar anyway?</p>
<p>yes, people might be (i mean, are) bad at doing simple math.</p>
<p>yes, solar leasing companies are making a profit on their work.</p>
<p>but i&#8217;m certainly not convinced solar leasing is worse than not going solar at all. and if they can convince people to go solar who wouldn&#8217;t otherwise, i&#8217;m all for it. in some ways, i think it&#8217;s a testament to the failure of other solar companies to get people going solar. business isn&#8217;t just about what you offer, it&#8217;s about &#8216;selling&#8217; that product.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Curtis</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/04/21/solar-money-for-you/#comment-119206</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lisa Curtis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2012 20:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another way to invest in solar is through Solar Mosaic. We&#8217;ll be launching solar investments this summer that offer 5-10% returns. Sign up to get early access to our investments at <a href="http://www.solarmosaic.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.solarmosaic.com</a> </p>
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		<title>By: Kirkton007</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/04/21/solar-money-for-you/#comment-119105</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2012 16:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[On the subject of solar leasing; 
 The Federal, State and utility incentives were meant to be for the home owners NOT the large companies that are sucking them dry. These companies are taking all of the incentives targeted for homeowners, to essentially have for themselves a zero tax liability and a zero cost to the company to do the installation.  Essentially they are becoming a non regulated utility company.  
 Something needs to be done about this disruptive issue to get the incentives back into the hands of the intended recipients. A Solar Lease only reduces your electric bill by a small fraction, you still have to pay the leasing company for the electricity you consume for twenty years.  Would you lease your home for twenty years and then buy it? Would you lease your car for twenty years and then buy it? Then why are we allowing this to continue in the solar industry?  
 A knowledgeable Solar Company can show a homeowner how to do the financing right, the homeowner can get 100% of their electric bill eliminated and have it paid off in a few short years.  It is so clear to me that a purchase is a far better deal, I am appalled that the leasing companies have pulled the wool over so many peoples eyes.  Once a homeowner does the math after they are tied to a lease and realized what a scam it is; this will have the effect of harming additional solar installations.
 
A simplified example of leasing vs purchasing:
 A 6000 Watt solar system designed to negate a $100.00 electric bill in a &quot;nothing down 20 year lease&quot; will cost a homeowner $90.00 a month.  Multiply this cost by twenty years = $21,600.00 total cost.
 A 6000 Watt solar system of the under a purchase agreement with the all of the present Federal, Arizona State and utility incentives going to the homeowner will cost about $14,300.  A savings of $7,300. or about 33%, one third less cost to the homeowner.
This is simple math that the leasing companies are NOT showing anyone.  We need to make this clear to as many people as possible so that the scam will be exposed.  Do the math for yourself.

 
The above example does not take into consideration the complications the homeowner will encounter when the home is put on the market for sale and the solar lease becomes an obstacle to close the deal.  Nor does the example reflect the fact that after 20 years leasing you still do not own the solar system on your home.
Solar leasing is popular because people can not do simple math!  All they hear is the falsely presented &quot;Free&quot; and are easily fooled!  
 
On the subject of PACE;
 PACE is really a permanent tax increase to the property.  Taxes never go down, they only go up.  Once a city has a tax increase on a property, they will never reduce it, the tax will become permanent.  Once they get their hands on the money, they will never release it.  
 All of the tax happy governments only know how to spend the money they collect, they have no clue how to spend it economically.  The end result will be the home will have a much diminished resale value due to very high property taxes.  A simple bank loan for the solar installation is always the best choice.  The present Arizona law states that &quot;a solar installation must be counted as a zero dollar home improvement&quot; to the tax assessor, let&#039;s keep it that way.  PACE is simply a way to subvert the existing ruling and collect higher R.E. taxes for perpetuity.  I have more thoughts on this subject but I think this sums it up in a shortened version.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the subject of solar leasing;<br />
 The Federal, State and utility incentives were meant to be for the home owners NOT the large companies that are sucking them dry. These companies are taking all of the incentives targeted for homeowners, to essentially have for themselves a zero tax liability and a zero cost to the company to do the installation.  Essentially they are becoming a non regulated utility company.<br />
 Something needs to be done about this disruptive issue to get the incentives back into the hands of the intended recipients. A Solar Lease only reduces your electric bill by a small fraction, you still have to pay the leasing company for the electricity you consume for twenty years.  Would you lease your home for twenty years and then buy it? Would you lease your car for twenty years and then buy it? Then why are we allowing this to continue in the solar industry?<br />
 A knowledgeable Solar Company can show a homeowner how to do the financing right, the homeowner can get 100% of their electric bill eliminated and have it paid off in a few short years.  It is so clear to me that a purchase is a far better deal, I am appalled that the leasing companies have pulled the wool over so many peoples eyes.  Once a homeowner does the math after they are tied to a lease and realized what a scam it is; this will have the effect of harming additional solar installations.</p>
<p>A simplified example of leasing vs purchasing:<br />
 A 6000 Watt solar system designed to negate a $100.00 electric bill in a &#8220;nothing down 20 year lease&#8221; will cost a homeowner $90.00 a month.  Multiply this cost by twenty years = $21,600.00 total cost.<br />
 A 6000 Watt solar system of the under a purchase agreement with the all of the present Federal, Arizona State and utility incentives going to the homeowner will cost about $14,300.  A savings of $7,300. or about 33%, one third less cost to the homeowner.<br />
This is simple math that the leasing companies are NOT showing anyone.  We need to make this clear to as many people as possible so that the scam will be exposed.  Do the math for yourself.</p>
<p>The above example does not take into consideration the complications the homeowner will encounter when the home is put on the market for sale and the solar lease becomes an obstacle to close the deal.  Nor does the example reflect the fact that after 20 years leasing you still do not own the solar system on your home.<br />
Solar leasing is popular because people can not do simple math!  All they hear is the falsely presented &#8220;Free&#8221; and are easily fooled!  </p>
<p>On the subject of PACE;<br />
 PACE is really a permanent tax increase to the property.  Taxes never go down, they only go up.  Once a city has a tax increase on a property, they will never reduce it, the tax will become permanent.  Once they get their hands on the money, they will never release it.<br />
 All of the tax happy governments only know how to spend the money they collect, they have no clue how to spend it economically.  The end result will be the home will have a much diminished resale value due to very high property taxes.  A simple bank loan for the solar installation is always the best choice.  The present Arizona law states that &#8220;a solar installation must be counted as a zero dollar home improvement&#8221; to the tax assessor, let&#8217;s keep it that way.  PACE is simply a way to subvert the existing ruling and collect higher R.E. taxes for perpetuity.  I have more thoughts on this subject but I think this sums it up in a shortened version.</p>
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		<title>By: Mahesh Rathi</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/04/21/solar-money-for-you/#comment-119099</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mahesh Rathi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2012 13:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very nicely described article in term of commercial aspects.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very nicely described article in term of commercial aspects.</p>
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