Comments on: Donald Sadoway Liquid Batteries TED Talk

By: Sergey

Sergey — Thu, 11 Oct 2012 04:26:00 +0000

Forget about the money. No one even suggested a lab time. Actually, I’m not surprised, just like you.

By: Bob_Wallace

Bob_Wallace — Tue, 09 Oct 2012 22:23:00 +0000

Am I surprised that no one has offered you money?

No, I’m not….

By: Sergey

Sergey — Tue, 09 Oct 2012 22:08:00 +0000

To: Bob_Wallace.
Just want to let you know that it was a ‘zero’ offers in the last two weeks.
In any case, my address is p441 at hotmail. Any suggestions on cooperation in the radius of 20 miles from Boston, MA.

By: Bob_Wallace

Bob_Wallace — Thu, 27 Sep 2012 06:29:00 +0000

You’ve taken this all the way to silly.

Have a nice day….

By: Sergey

Sergey — Thu, 27 Sep 2012 06:20:00 +0000

Sorry. I’m just tired of the debate with no arguments.
About me. I can do whatever I want, I’ll do what I see fit. I can afford it.
Six months, a simple chemical lab. equipment, plus certain amount of money and I’ll give you a full report+ about this “new” technology.
Want to support my project? Is there anyone else who is ready to accept this offer?

By: Sergey

Sergey — Wed, 26 Sep 2012 16:51:00 +0000

Give me one good reason why I should do it.

By: Bob_Wallace

Bob_Wallace — Wed, 26 Sep 2012 16:45:00 +0000

Ambri Inc.
237 Putnam Avenue
Cambridge, MA 02139

Just walk over there and tell them that you think they’re liars.

By: Sergey

Sergey — Wed, 26 Sep 2012 16:35:00 +0000

I live near Cambridge MA. Want to show me a working sample of the liquid battery? You can choose any day you want.

By: Sergey

Sergey — Wed, 26 Sep 2012 16:18:00 +0000

I just can not find any confirmation of this fact in the public domain.

By: Bob_Wallace

Bob_Wallace — Wed, 26 Sep 2012 15:32:00 +0000

No, YOU can’t trust the news. So best you quit paying any attention to the news.

Just because the news reports that Gates, Khosla Ventures, and Total oil have invested in Ambri certainly does not make it true. Using your standards. They will not have invested in Ambri until you can read it in their financial statements.

“Now show me any other successful business that has lost $8.1 million in investments, not even starting to do something!?”

OK, I won’t show you that car companies generally invest a billion dollars developing and tooling up for a new car model before a singly one comes off the assembly line. That isn’t news you can use. I won’t show you that it’s common for companies to loose millions of dollars before they become profitable.

You don’t like liquid batteries for some reason that you won’t disclose. I can accept that.

I find the idea interesting and the fact that there are (only reported in the news) operating prototypes which are performing fine. I’m hoping for a cheap battery grid storage solution and liquid batteries are one of four technologies that I’m following.

Unfortunately I can only follow these technologies in the news, so by your standards none of them likely exist.

I fully understand that many interesting and promising projects never pan out. Many promising ideas reach prototype stage and fade away. Others perform at prototype stage but won’t scale up. Some succeed.

No one here is stating that liquid metal batteries are a proven solution to grid storage. We’re just interested in watching the progress of promising projects as well as in things you can buy in the store today. And we’re grown up enough to know the difference.

By: Zachary Shahan

Zachary Shahan — Wed, 26 Sep 2012 12:57:00 +0000

I’m not sure if i follow — why do you say Gates is no longer participating when the recent story i just shared said he was?

By: Bob_Wallace

Bob_Wallace — Tue, 25 Sep 2012 18:52:00 +0000

Two questions Sergey –

1) Where did you see the news that Gates has withdrawn his financing of Ambri?

2) What about this technology has you so upset? Is there another storage technology that you favor and feel is threatened?

By: Bob_Wallace

Bob_Wallace — Tue, 25 Sep 2012 18:16:00 +0000

Except that your claim is not true. Does the JACS paper talk about the new chemistry now that Ambri has moved on from the initial magnesium and antimony chemistry?

Does it include information about how many discharge cycles have been performed with the new chemistry?

I think not.

Now, if the only information that you are open to is that information published in journal articles, that’s a threshold you’ve established for yourself. Personally I doubt that Ambri is going to publish “trade secrets” while it works to bring product to market.

You are very free to stop discussing Ambri and liquid metal batteries if you wish.

Have a nice day….

By: Sergey

Sergey — Tue, 25 Sep 2012 18:03:00 +0000

All that can be read on the Internet it is taken from the MIT’s document at the link above. Of course, I find that very hard to believe in this technology. At the same time, you do not have arguments (scientific publications) that would show me the opposite. That’s all. Let’s stop on this.

By: Sergey

Sergey — Tue, 25 Sep 2012 18:02:00 +0000

Thanks for the link. At least we can see that Bill Gates is no longer participates in the financing of this project.

By: Zachary Shahan

Zachary Shahan — Tue, 25 Sep 2012 10:27:00 +0000

actually, the technology and company are progressing quite well (with backing from Bill Gates, Khosla Ventures, the DOE, and others). we just posted an update last month: http://cleantechnica.com/2012/08/30/liquid-metal-battery-ambri/

By: Bob_Wallace

Bob_Wallace — Tue, 25 Sep 2012 06:15:00 +0000

The article you link was written a year ago.

You can get more recent information from the Ambri web site. The liquid metal battery has moved out of MIT, has a company and a couple of fairly impressive investors. And well-performing prototypes.

Your linked video? Dumb. And boring. But I lasted only about 30 seconds so maybe the good stuff happened later….

By: Sergey

Sergey — Tue, 25 Sep 2012 05:18:00 +0000

Do not be upset. I, just, do not like the arguments that are taken from “popular science” sources or youtube.
It was a Good NEWS in 2009. Now – 2012. The real state of the experiments you can read on MIT website
( http://sadoway.mit.edu/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Sadoway_Resume/141.pdf ).
Of course, it’s a little boring. I think that the following video will cheer up you, a little:
youtube.com/watch?v=iANRO3I30nM

By: Zachary Shahan

Zachary Shahan — Thu, 20 Sep 2012 23:43:00 +0000

it’s moving forward, with big backing from Bill Gates, Khosla, some big companies, and others.

Think the inputs have changed to less concerning substances.

By: Bob_Wallace

Bob_Wallace — Wed, 19 Sep 2012 03:31:00 +0000

This link should work. I just copied it from the site.
http://www.ted.com/talks/donald_sadoway_the_missing_link_to_renewable_energy.html

Ambri has working prototypes. They are now (I believe) working on optimal size and shape.

http://gigaom.com/cleantech/bill-gates-backed-liquid-metal-battery-is-now-ambri/

Gasoline is easily ignited. Nuclear reactors blow up. Lead is poisonous. Hydrogen is flammable. Ammonia is very nasty stuff. Lithium burns. Your concern is noted….