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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/03/21/china-dumping-loads-of-cash-into-clean-energy-but-not-only/#comment-121635</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 19:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[sWINDle, you&#039;ve obviously appropriately named yourself here.

these claims are so off-the-wall wrong it almost doesn&#039;t even make sense to reply (i.e. there are so many lines of evidence to prove you are wrong that you have to be plugging your ears and covering your eyes, or quickly closing tabs, to avoid seeing the reality).

some starts though, if you&#039;re interested (i know, you&#039;re not, but maybe someone else is):

arctic sea ice:
 http://www.skepticalscience.com/declining-arctic-sea-ice-record-snowfalls-are-they-linked.html 
 http://www.skepticalscience.com/antarctica-gaining-ice-intermediate.htm  http://planetsave.com/2012/03/01/arctic-death-spiral-continues-or-speeds-up/ 
 http://planetsave.com/2011/03/24/lowest-ever-arctic-maximum-ice-extent/ 

it&#039;s not the sun, stupid:

http://planetsave.com/2011/12/26/climate-solar-changes/

http://planetsave.com/2012/01/19/what-is-causing-global-warming/

http://planetsave.com/2012/01/12/what-causes-global-warming-human-or-natural-factors/

http://planetsave.com/2012/01/16/more-science-on-human-vs-natural-global-warming/


i love it when deniers say it isn&#039;t warming and then go and say it&#039;s
warming because of the sun. pick a line/lie!

we just saw the 326th consecutive month with a global temperature above the
20th century average! get real

http://planetsave.com/2012/05/16/april-global-temperatures-5th-warmest-on-record-land-temperatures-2nd-warmest-noaa-reports/

2012 heat records to cold records were 14:1

http://planetsave.com/2012/03/20/14-to-1-2012-heat-records-to-cold-records-in-u-s-1000s-of-heat-records-set-in-one-week/

and, basically, the evidence goes on and on,.. if you are truly interested
in looking into the facts


as fa as clean energy, it seems you&#039;re full of as much digested food in
that arena as well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sWINDle, you&#8217;ve obviously appropriately named yourself here.</p>
<p>these claims are so off-the-wall wrong it almost doesn&#8217;t even make sense to reply (i.e. there are so many lines of evidence to prove you are wrong that you have to be plugging your ears and covering your eyes, or quickly closing tabs, to avoid seeing the reality).</p>
<p>some starts though, if you&#8217;re interested (i know, you&#8217;re not, but maybe someone else is):</p>
<p>arctic sea ice:<br />
 <a href="http://www.skepticalscience.com/declining-arctic-sea-ice-record-snowfalls-are-they-linked.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.skepticalscience.com/declining-arctic-sea-ice-record-snowfalls-are-they-linked.html</a><br />
 <a href="http://www.skepticalscience.com/antarctica-gaining-ice-intermediate.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.skepticalscience.com/antarctica-gaining-ice-intermediate.htm</a>  <a href="http://planetsave.com/2012/03/01/arctic-death-spiral-continues-or-speeds-up/" rel="nofollow">http://planetsave.com/2012/03/01/arctic-death-spiral-continues-or-speeds-up/</a><br />
 <a href="http://planetsave.com/2011/03/24/lowest-ever-arctic-maximum-ice-extent/" rel="nofollow">http://planetsave.com/2011/03/24/lowest-ever-arctic-maximum-ice-extent/</a> </p>
<p>it&#8217;s not the sun, stupid:</p>
<p><a href="http://planetsave.com/2011/12/26/climate-solar-changes/" rel="nofollow">http://planetsave.com/2011/12/26/climate-solar-changes/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://planetsave.com/2012/01/19/what-is-causing-global-warming/" rel="nofollow">http://planetsave.com/2012/01/19/what-is-causing-global-warming/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://planetsave.com/2012/01/12/what-causes-global-warming-human-or-natural-factors/" rel="nofollow">http://planetsave.com/2012/01/12/what-causes-global-warming-human-or-natural-factors/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://planetsave.com/2012/01/16/more-science-on-human-vs-natural-global-warming/" rel="nofollow">http://planetsave.com/2012/01/16/more-science-on-human-vs-natural-global-warming/</a></p>
<p>i love it when deniers say it isn&#8217;t warming and then go and say it&#8217;s<br />
warming because of the sun. pick a line/lie!</p>
<p>we just saw the 326th consecutive month with a global temperature above the<br />
20th century average! get real</p>
<p><a href="http://planetsave.com/2012/05/16/april-global-temperatures-5th-warmest-on-record-land-temperatures-2nd-warmest-noaa-reports/" rel="nofollow">http://planetsave.com/2012/05/16/april-global-temperatures-5th-warmest-on-record-land-temperatures-2nd-warmest-noaa-reports/</a></p>
<p>2012 heat records to cold records were 14:1</p>
<p><a href="http://planetsave.com/2012/03/20/14-to-1-2012-heat-records-to-cold-records-in-u-s-1000s-of-heat-records-set-in-one-week/" rel="nofollow">http://planetsave.com/2012/03/20/14-to-1-2012-heat-records-to-cold-records-in-u-s-1000s-of-heat-records-set-in-one-week/</a></p>
<p>and, basically, the evidence goes on and on,.. if you are truly interested<br />
in looking into the facts</p>
<p>as fa as clean energy, it seems you&#8217;re full of as much digested food in<br />
that arena as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/03/21/china-dumping-loads-of-cash-into-clean-energy-but-not-only/#comment-121612</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 18:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Congratulations!

You&#039;ve tapped into junk science.

It&#039;s not the Sun.  

Ice extent is a two dimensional measurement of a three dimensional entity.

That the Earth has not warmed since &#039;79 is entirely incorrect.  

The &#039;hockey stick&#039; has been confirmed.

You must have been a very inadequate engineer.

Here - go read some science and quit spreading your pollution...

http://www.skepticalscience.com/

Those science courses you took while getting your degrees?  Attempt to recall how science works.  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congratulations!</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve tapped into junk science.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not the Sun.  </p>
<p>Ice extent is a two dimensional measurement of a three dimensional entity.</p>
<p>That the Earth has not warmed since &#8217;79 is entirely incorrect.  </p>
<p>The &#8216;hockey stick&#8217; has been confirmed.</p>
<p>You must have been a very inadequate engineer.</p>
<p>Here &#8211; go read some science and quit spreading your pollution&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.skepticalscience.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.skepticalscience.com/</a></p>
<p>Those science courses you took while getting your degrees?  Attempt to recall how science works.  </p>
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		<title>By: sWINDle</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/03/21/china-dumping-loads-of-cash-into-clean-energy-but-not-only/#comment-121605</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sWINDle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 17:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bob,

&quot;Educate&quot; myself with your leaders - &quot;Govt Major&quot; Gore or ClimateGate Hockey Stick Shysters?

No - I look at real data:
http://icecap.us/images/uploads/AMOTEMPSSAT.jpg
(irrefutable satellite temps showing very little warming since &#039;79 and a strong ocean correlation)

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/files/2012/05/Figure4.png
INCREASE in Antarctica Ice Extent

http://www.longrangeweather.com/global_temperatures.htm
The REAL driver - &quot;its the sun, stupid&quot;

The science is out there - one must navigate through the hacks.  


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob,</p>
<p>&#8220;Educate&#8221; myself with your leaders &#8211; &#8220;Govt Major&#8221; Gore or ClimateGate Hockey Stick Shysters?</p>
<p>No &#8211; I look at real data:<br />
<a href="http://icecap.us/images/uploads/AMOTEMPSSAT.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://icecap.us/images/uploads/AMOTEMPSSAT.jpg</a><br />
(irrefutable satellite temps showing very little warming since &#8217;79 and a strong ocean correlation)</p>
<p><a href="http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/files/2012/05/Figure4.png" rel="nofollow">http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/files/2012/05/Figure4.png</a><br />
INCREASE in Antarctica Ice Extent</p>
<p><a href="http://www.longrangeweather.com/global_temperatures.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.longrangeweather.com/global_temperatures.htm</a><br />
The REAL driver &#8211; &#8220;its the sun, stupid&#8221;</p>
<p>The science is out there &#8211; one must navigate through the hacks.  </p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/03/21/china-dumping-loads-of-cash-into-clean-energy-but-not-only/#comment-121600</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 17:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Having a couple of engineering degrees is not sufficient to impress when you counterbalance them with a lack of climate change knowledge.

Take off your right wing blinders and educate yourself.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having a couple of engineering degrees is not sufficient to impress when you counterbalance them with a lack of climate change knowledge.</p>
<p>Take off your right wing blinders and educate yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: sWINDle</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/03/21/china-dumping-loads-of-cash-into-clean-energy-but-not-only/#comment-121595</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sWINDle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 17:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Having 2 engineering degrees and having studied both the Green Energy and Global Warming scams, I do enjoy reading the tripe particularly from non-technical, liberal arts laden &quot;professionals&quot;.

It would be extremely amusing if it was not contributing to massive federal expenditures (some sWINDle Farms &quot;make&quot; 90% on their equity through our tax dollars).  Big businesses, like GE, are laughing at the Greenies all the way to the bank.

At some point, I do hope the leftists will actually pay attention in their science, math and analytical courses - ooops, I forgot: &quot;these are too hard, man&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having 2 engineering degrees and having studied both the Green Energy and Global Warming scams, I do enjoy reading the tripe particularly from non-technical, liberal arts laden &#8220;professionals&#8221;.</p>
<p>It would be extremely amusing if it was not contributing to massive federal expenditures (some sWINDle Farms &#8220;make&#8221; 90% on their equity through our tax dollars).  Big businesses, like GE, are laughing at the Greenies all the way to the bank.</p>
<p>At some point, I do hope the leftists will actually pay attention in their science, math and analytical courses &#8211; ooops, I forgot: &#8220;these are too hard, man&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/03/21/china-dumping-loads-of-cash-into-clean-energy-but-not-only/#comment-121594</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 17:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You are a winner!!!

Unfortunately what you&#039;ve won is Dumb Post of the Day.

]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are a winner!!!</p>
<p>Unfortunately what you&#8217;ve won is Dumb Post of the Day.</p>
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		<title>By: sWINDle</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/03/21/china-dumping-loads-of-cash-into-clean-energy-but-not-only/#comment-121593</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sWINDle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 17:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good for China - we need them to waste more energy on the Green Scam.  Meanwhile, we need to fully exploit our shale oil, shale gas and coal - this cheap energy coupled with the next robotics evolution will usher in a new Manufacturing Golden Age.

The only thing we need to do is export our Socialists-Communist-Greenies to Europe and Asia.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good for China &#8211; we need them to waste more energy on the Green Scam.  Meanwhile, we need to fully exploit our shale oil, shale gas and coal &#8211; this cheap energy coupled with the next robotics evolution will usher in a new Manufacturing Golden Age.</p>
<p>The only thing we need to do is export our Socialists-Communist-Greenies to Europe and Asia.</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/03/21/china-dumping-loads-of-cash-into-clean-energy-but-not-only/#comment-116135</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 01:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry, see above. Corrected the post.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, see above. Corrected the post.</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/03/21/china-dumping-loads-of-cash-into-clean-energy-but-not-only/#comment-116128</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 01:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry, yes, a quick read &amp; rewording (without looking at the actual figures) that I have now paid for. :D Thanks. Fixed it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, yes, a quick read &amp; rewording (without looking at the actual figures) that I have now paid for. <img src="http://cleantechnica.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" class="wp-smiley" /> Thanks. Fixed it.</p>
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		<title>By: Matter26</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/03/21/china-dumping-loads-of-cash-into-clean-energy-but-not-only/#comment-116081</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matter26]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2012 16:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Zachary, I think I know where you made a mistake in the &#039;powering the UK&#039; comment.

6 GW is approximately how much wind the UK had installed at the end of last year.  Works out at under 5% of UK consumption.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zachary, I think I know where you made a mistake in the &#8216;powering the UK&#8217; comment.</p>
<p>6 GW is approximately how much wind the UK had installed at the end of last year.  Works out at under 5% of UK consumption.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/03/21/china-dumping-loads-of-cash-into-clean-energy-but-not-only/#comment-116076</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ross]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2012 14:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A better match would be powering Ireland. Demand now is 3.5GW and wind generation is providing 0.5GW of it at this moment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A better match would be powering Ireland. Demand now is 3.5GW and wind generation is providing 0.5GW of it at this moment.</p>
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		<title>By: i can read wikipedia</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/03/21/china-dumping-loads-of-cash-into-clean-energy-but-not-only/#comment-116074</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[i can read wikipedia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2012 14:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[enough to power the entire UK? Wikipedia &quot;Demand for electricity in 2006 was ~40GW typically&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>enough to power the entire UK? Wikipedia &#8220;Demand for electricity in 2006 was ~40GW typically&#8221;</p>
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