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	<title>Comments on: New Solar Cell Company Promises Solar Power for $0.50/Watt (Not Twin Creeks)</title>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/03/19/new-solar-cell-manufacturing-process-promises-solar-power-for-0-50watt-another-one/#comment-123581</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2012 21:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[price of electricity (for those not locked in to a solar rate) is *certain* to improve.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>price of electricity (for those not locked in to a solar rate) is *certain* to improve.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2012 17:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ Let&#039;s do the math, shall we?

In 2010, the average annual electricity consumption for a U.S. residential utility customer was 11,496 kWh.  That&#039;s 31.5kWh per day.

Almost all the &#039;lower 48&#039; gets 4.5 hours or more of usable sunlight.  (That&#039;s an annual average, not a daily minimum - for you nit pickers.)

Based on that you&#039;d need 7kW (7,000W) of panels to produce all the electricity you use each year.

If we&#039;re talking a future panel price of $0.50/Watt then that&#039;s only $3,500.

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Panels are not the entire cost.  While panels have dropped close to $1/Watt there are other costs and those costs are out of control in the US.  US average residential installed solar is running around $5.80 (2011) while in Germany they have been able to bring the price down to $2.80 (2011).

If you lived outside the sunny parts of the US (4.5 solar hours) installing at the US rate would give you electricity at 26.3 cents per kWh which is not a good price.  If we could get our installed prices down to what Germany pays your electricity would cost 12.8 cents per kWh.

Now 12.8 cents might not sound wonderful, but consider that you will have locked in that 12.8 cents for the next 20 years.  The price of electricity is likely to increase, at least due to inflation.

And after that 20 years is over you&#039;re looking at a few decades of free electricity.

Panels are already pretty good, price-wise.  

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No subsidies were used in any of the above envelop scratchings.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Let&#8217;s do the math, shall we?</p>
<p>In 2010, the average annual electricity consumption for a U.S. residential utility customer was 11,496 kWh.  That&#8217;s 31.5kWh per day.</p>
<p>Almost all the &#8216;lower 48&#8242; gets 4.5 hours or more of usable sunlight.  (That&#8217;s an annual average, not a daily minimum &#8211; for you nit pickers.)</p>
<p>Based on that you&#8217;d need 7kW (7,000W) of panels to produce all the electricity you use each year.</p>
<p>If we&#8217;re talking a future panel price of $0.50/Watt then that&#8217;s only $3,500.</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>Panels are not the entire cost.  While panels have dropped close to $1/Watt there are other costs and those costs are out of control in the US.  US average residential installed solar is running around $5.80 (2011) while in Germany they have been able to bring the price down to $2.80 (2011).</p>
<p>If you lived outside the sunny parts of the US (4.5 solar hours) installing at the US rate would give you electricity at 26.3 cents per kWh which is not a good price.  If we could get our installed prices down to what Germany pays your electricity would cost 12.8 cents per kWh.</p>
<p>Now 12.8 cents might not sound wonderful, but consider that you will have locked in that 12.8 cents for the next 20 years.  The price of electricity is likely to increase, at least due to inflation.</p>
<p>And after that 20 years is over you&#8217;re looking at a few decades of free electricity.</p>
<p>Panels are already pretty good, price-wise.  </p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>No subsidies were used in any of the above envelop scratchings.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/03/19/new-solar-cell-manufacturing-process-promises-solar-power-for-0-50watt-another-one/#comment-123531</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2012 17:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Probably isn&#039;t cheap enough for those who don&#039;t know how to do the figuring....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Probably isn&#8217;t cheap enough for those who don&#8217;t know how to do the figuring&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Bfxtech</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bfxtech]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2012 16:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[200 amp service in your home times 120 volts = 24,000 potential watts into an average house. Central air conditioner is 30 Amps? or 3600 watts. 
So in short to cover your entire home when the sun is out you have to pay $12,000 dollars. Call me when its a dime a watt. Solar has gotten better but its not even close to enough. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>200 amp service in your home times 120 volts = 24,000 potential watts into an average house. Central air conditioner is 30 Amps? or 3600 watts.<br />
So in short to cover your entire home when the sun is out you have to pay $12,000 dollars. Call me when its a dime a watt. Solar has gotten better but its not even close to enough. </p>
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		<title>By: b74ck5t4r</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/03/19/new-solar-cell-manufacturing-process-promises-solar-power-for-0-50watt-another-one/#comment-117770</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[b74ck5t4r]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2012 09:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[how about bringing down the price of AGM batteries? :(]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>how about bringing down the price of AGM batteries? <img src="http://cleantechnica.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif" alt=":(" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/03/19/new-solar-cell-manufacturing-process-promises-solar-power-for-0-50watt-another-one/#comment-117533</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2012 22:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Mathias Aarre Mæhlum</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/03/19/new-solar-cell-manufacturing-process-promises-solar-power-for-0-50watt-another-one/#comment-117530</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mathias Aarre Mæhlum]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2012 22:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s a video where NREL scientists Howard Branz and Chaz Teplin talk more about the technology:

http://www.nrel.gov/technologytransfer/ss_inexpensive_cells.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a video where NREL scientists Howard Branz and Chaz Teplin talk more about the technology:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nrel.gov/technologytransfer/ss_inexpensive_cells.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nrel.gov/technologytransfer/ss_inexpensive_cells.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: mars</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mars]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 09:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Go nuke.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go nuke.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/03/19/new-solar-cell-manufacturing-process-promises-solar-power-for-0-50watt-another-one/#comment-116017</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2012 18:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe, but I don&#039;t think exporting panels to China is in our future.

As the prices of panels falls then shipping becomes a bigger part of the total cost.  It&#039;s more likely that we will manufacture the panels used here and China will manufacture the panels they install.

There&#039;s not much low-skilled labor input in solar panels.  And the cost of labor is rising in China.

Panels have already gotten so cheap that the big emphasis is now on the &#039;balance of the system&#039; (BOS).  


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe, but I don&#8217;t think exporting panels to China is in our future.</p>
<p>As the prices of panels falls then shipping becomes a bigger part of the total cost.  It&#8217;s more likely that we will manufacture the panels used here and China will manufacture the panels they install.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s not much low-skilled labor input in solar panels.  And the cost of labor is rising in China.</p>
<p>Panels have already gotten so cheap that the big emphasis is now on the &#8216;balance of the system&#8217; (BOS).  </p>
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		<title>By: Giorgio's House B&#38;B</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/03/19/new-solar-cell-manufacturing-process-promises-solar-power-for-0-50watt-another-one/#comment-116007</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Giorgio's House B&#38;B]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2012 16:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sure...less than 0.50 US$...it should be great but the problem is that they don&#039;t mention any date!...Easy to talk without mentioning any dates...3 months? 12 Months? 10 years?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure&#8230;less than 0.50 US$&#8230;it should be great but the problem is that they don&#8217;t mention any date!&#8230;Easy to talk without mentioning any dates&#8230;3 months? 12 Months? 10 years?</p>
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		<title>By: Imawhiz</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Imawhiz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2012 13:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe U.S. manufacturers can win the contest with Chinese manufacturers and start exporting &quot;Cheap&quot; solar panels to China and India.  That would be fantastic. Send the first one to Rush Limbaugh and have him epoxy it across his mouth.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe U.S. manufacturers can win the contest with Chinese manufacturers and start exporting &#8220;Cheap&#8221; solar panels to China and India.  That would be fantastic. Send the first one to Rush Limbaugh and have him epoxy it across his mouth.</p>
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		<title>By: lukealization</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lukealization]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2012 18:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s like hard drive capacity... it gets better and better! :D

Bring on $0.10 / Watt!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s like hard drive capacity&#8230; it gets better and better! <img src="http://cleantechnica.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
<p>Bring on $0.10 / Watt!</p>
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		<title>By: jburt56</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jburt56]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2012 17:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ok but we have to beat back the post-Solyndra nuckleheads that want to go back to the Stone Age.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok but we have to beat back the post-Solyndra nuckleheads that want to go back to the Stone Age.</p>
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