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		<title>By: Vinay Krishnan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/03/08/top-eight-alternative-fuels/#comment-213333</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vinay Krishnan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2014 16:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[sir you have given a very useful information about alternative fuels.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sir you have given a very useful information about alternative fuels.<br />
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/03/08/top-eight-alternative-fuels/#comment-115363</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2012 17:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not sure I get your point.

Yes, China provides cheap labor.  But their labor prices are rising.

Yes, China has created some enormous messes in their move to a manufacturing country.  But they are beginning to establish stronger pollution controls and clean up their messes.

Look at the pressure currently on Apple to improve the treatment of workers who build their products.  Look at the local Chinese communities organizing to cut the pollution they&#039;re exposed to.  Look at the fact that China just capped the amount of coal that can be burned per year, something that not even the US is willing to do.

I don&#039;t think it legitimate to assume that how batteries were dealt with yesterday is indicative of how batteries will be disposed of tomorrow. 
Additionally, I suspect that once we start seeing a significant number of EV batteries totally &quot;used up&quot; it won&#039;t make sense to ship them long distances.  More likely we&#039;ll have many small recycling plants spread around countries.  This won&#039;t be labor intensive work.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure I get your point.</p>
<p>Yes, China provides cheap labor.  But their labor prices are rising.</p>
<p>Yes, China has created some enormous messes in their move to a manufacturing country.  But they are beginning to establish stronger pollution controls and clean up their messes.</p>
<p>Look at the pressure currently on Apple to improve the treatment of workers who build their products.  Look at the local Chinese communities organizing to cut the pollution they&#8217;re exposed to.  Look at the fact that China just capped the amount of coal that can be burned per year, something that not even the US is willing to do.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it legitimate to assume that how batteries were dealt with yesterday is indicative of how batteries will be disposed of tomorrow.<br />
Additionally, I suspect that once we start seeing a significant number of EV batteries totally &#8220;used up&#8221; it won&#8217;t make sense to ship them long distances.  More likely we&#8217;ll have many small recycling plants spread around countries.  This won&#8217;t be labor intensive work.</p>
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		<title>By: Jgerardi</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/03/08/top-eight-alternative-fuels/#comment-115362</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2012 17:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just last year 60 Minutes had a segment on how a US company said they were recycling their batteries, but followed them all the way to China. In the amount the size of their population China is highly populated with people willing to work in those conditions. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just last year 60 Minutes had a segment on how a US company said they were recycling their batteries, but followed them all the way to China. In the amount the size of their population China is highly populated with people willing to work in those conditions. </p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/03/08/top-eight-alternative-fuels/#comment-115334</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2012 03:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We&#039;re already recycling rechargeable lithium laptop/etc. batteries.

Toyota already has EV battery recycling processes in place.

China is past its &quot;period of poverty&quot;.  They are in the process of cleaning up their manufacturing processes.   For example, they have hired a US company to help them deal with their rare earth mining/processing waste problems.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re already recycling rechargeable lithium laptop/etc. batteries.</p>
<p>Toyota already has EV battery recycling processes in place.</p>
<p>China is past its &#8220;period of poverty&#8221;.  They are in the process of cleaning up their manufacturing processes.   For example, they have hired a US company to help them deal with their rare earth mining/processing waste problems.  </p>
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		<title>By: Jgerardi12</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/03/08/top-eight-alternative-fuels/#comment-115325</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jgerardi12]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2012 00:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Electric batteries in cars can have adverse affect on the environment. We need to make sure where they are being recycled,because some do slip in through the cracks and its taken apart in places like China.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Electric batteries in cars can have adverse affect on the environment. We need to make sure where they are being recycled,because some do slip in through the cracks and its taken apart in places like China.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn Meyers</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/03/08/top-eight-alternative-fuels/#comment-115323</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Glenn Meyers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2012 22:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And foot power!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And foot power!</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/03/08/top-eight-alternative-fuels/#comment-115303</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2012 19:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hydrogen is not simple.  Some of the biofuels are &#039;drop-in&#039; replacements for oil.  Hydrogen would require a brand new distribution system.  

Hydrogen today is not clean.  It is pulled from natural gas.  The carbon in NG is coming from underneath the Earth&#039;s surface when we should be leaving it down there where it won&#039;t screw us up.

Fixing the cost, if we&#039;re talking cracking H2 out of H2O in order to get clean H2, that is a major problem.  

First, that would be a very inefficient use of clean electricity.  Much more efficient to use electricity to charge EVs.

Second, we&#039;d have to build a total &#039;cracking&#039;, distribution and use infrastructure.  We&#039;ve got a liquid fuel distribution system and ICEVs.  We&#039;ve got the electric grid and affordable EVs seem to be just a few years away.

We don&#039;t have affordable, long-lasting hydrogen fuel cells, so the cost might be sky high.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hydrogen is not simple.  Some of the biofuels are &#8216;drop-in&#8217; replacements for oil.  Hydrogen would require a brand new distribution system.  </p>
<p>Hydrogen today is not clean.  It is pulled from natural gas.  The carbon in NG is coming from underneath the Earth&#8217;s surface when we should be leaving it down there where it won&#8217;t screw us up.</p>
<p>Fixing the cost, if we&#8217;re talking cracking H2 out of H2O in order to get clean H2, that is a major problem.  </p>
<p>First, that would be a very inefficient use of clean electricity.  Much more efficient to use electricity to charge EVs.</p>
<p>Second, we&#8217;d have to build a total &#8216;cracking&#8217;, distribution and use infrastructure.  We&#8217;ve got a liquid fuel distribution system and ICEVs.  We&#8217;ve got the electric grid and affordable EVs seem to be just a few years away.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t have affordable, long-lasting hydrogen fuel cells, so the cost might be sky high.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/03/08/top-eight-alternative-fuels/#comment-115299</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2012 18:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The simplest and cleanest; Hydrogen now lets fix the cost factor.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The simplest and cleanest; Hydrogen now lets fix the cost factor.</p>
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		<title>By: Captivation</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/03/08/top-eight-alternative-fuels/#comment-115276</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Captivation]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2012 14:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#3 - Electricity is the only real alternative and solar is the best source.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#3 &#8211; Electricity is the only real alternative and solar is the best source.</p>
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		<title>By: James Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/03/08/top-eight-alternative-fuels/#comment-115264</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James Hawkins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2012 10:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nice summary Glenn. I must admit, having read through, it seems you missed the ultimate fuel... coffee ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice summary Glenn. I must admit, having read through, it seems you missed the ultimate fuel&#8230; coffee <img src="http://cleantechnica.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
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