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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/03/05/even-conservatives-love-clean-energy/#comment-121863</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 16:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My personal experience does not match yours.  What I see over and over is Republicans blocking solutions as a strategy to make President Obama fail.

If we allow our country&#039;s business to proceed as it has for the last two years we will grind our way into being a second rate country.  The rest of the world will pass us by.  We will be &quot;Number One !&quot; only in the size of our CEO salaries.

We need to get people into Congress who put America first.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My personal experience does not match yours.  What I see over and over is Republicans blocking solutions as a strategy to make President Obama fail.</p>
<p>If we allow our country&#8217;s business to proceed as it has for the last two years we will grind our way into being a second rate country.  The rest of the world will pass us by.  We will be &#8220;Number One !&#8221; only in the size of our CEO salaries.</p>
<p>We need to get people into Congress who put America first.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Skinner</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/03/05/even-conservatives-love-clean-energy/#comment-121853</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 13:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My own personal experience has been that there has been an equal amount of simple-minded ignorance and stagnation (nothing accomplished) coming from both the right and left.

Want to get absolutely NOTHING accomplished in this country? Just be a simplistic-minded political nutcase. While Americans argue, fuss and fight politics back and forth at each other, more progressive countries like China deliver results. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My own personal experience has been that there has been an equal amount of simple-minded ignorance and stagnation (nothing accomplished) coming from both the right and left.</p>
<p>Want to get absolutely NOTHING accomplished in this country? Just be a simplistic-minded political nutcase. While Americans argue, fuss and fight politics back and forth at each other, more progressive countries like China deliver results. </p>
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		<title>By: Chris Skinner</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/03/05/even-conservatives-love-clean-energy/#comment-121851</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 13:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[However, as a moderate who is neither very liberal or conservative, there are much safer ways to construct a nuclear plant, too. And unlike all the ignorance and irrational hysteria out there, nuclear waste is NOT an intractible problem. Plenty of ingenious solutions have already existed for a very long time. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>However, as a moderate who is neither very liberal or conservative, there are much safer ways to construct a nuclear plant, too. And unlike all the ignorance and irrational hysteria out there, nuclear waste is NOT an intractible problem. Plenty of ingenious solutions have already existed for a very long time. </p>
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		<title>By: Chris Skinner</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/03/05/even-conservatives-love-clean-energy/#comment-121848</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Skinner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 13:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Conservatives are slow to come around and hop on board, because they didn&#039;t always like clean energy and renewables. Remember when Ronald Reagan declared planet Earth&#039;s oldest and most conventional energy source to be exotic, removing Jimmy Carter&#039;s solar hot water panels from the White House?

    Things usually progress in the following steps:

#1. Conservatives are violently and vehemently against anything more progressive.

#2. Gradual acceptance.

#3. &quot; I was for it all along ! ! ! &quot;

#4. Stealing all the credit: &quot; Us conservatives came up with all these ideas first.The liberals were always against it, not me ! ! ! &quot; ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Conservatives are slow to come around and hop on board, because they didn&#8217;t always like clean energy and renewables. Remember when Ronald Reagan declared planet Earth&#8217;s oldest and most conventional energy source to be exotic, removing Jimmy Carter&#8217;s solar hot water panels from the White House?</p>
<p>    Things usually progress in the following steps:</p>
<p>#1. Conservatives are violently and vehemently against anything more progressive.</p>
<p>#2. Gradual acceptance.</p>
<p>#3. &#8221; I was for it all along ! ! ! &#8221;</p>
<p>#4. Stealing all the credit: &#8221; Us conservatives came up with all these ideas first.The liberals were always against it, not me ! ! ! &#8221; </p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/03/05/even-conservatives-love-clean-energy/#comment-115067</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 16:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Unfortunately it&#039;s only a concept car and not in production.

My assumption is that we will have batteries that have 2x -3x more capacity and are significantly cheaper in no more than five years.  A 175 mile range with the ability to recharge 95% in less than 20 minutes gives us &quot;distance driving&quot;.

But if I&#039;m wrong, then I think PHEVs are the answer.  Something like 85% of all American driving days are &lt; 30 miles.  (I&#039;m pulling those numbers out of my memory, so check before believing.  ;o)

If we all drove 30 mile range PHEVs we could cut our oil use by, perhaps, 75%.  If we cut our personal oil use to one fourth of what it now is we&#039;d be in much better shape - climate-wise, health-wise, financially and in terms of national security.

The next few years are going to be very interesting.  Will batteries appear that solve our personal transportation problems?  If so, high mileage gasmobiles and PHEVs will be temporary fixes.  

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately it&#8217;s only a concept car and not in production.</p>
<p>My assumption is that we will have batteries that have 2x -3x more capacity and are significantly cheaper in no more than five years.  A 175 mile range with the ability to recharge 95% in less than 20 minutes gives us &#8220;distance driving&#8221;.</p>
<p>But if I&#8217;m wrong, then I think PHEVs are the answer.  Something like 85% of all American driving days are &lt; 30 miles.  (I&#039;m pulling those numbers out of my memory, so check before believing.  ;o)</p>
<p>If we all drove 30 mile range PHEVs we could cut our oil use by, perhaps, 75%.  If we cut our personal oil use to one fourth of what it now is we&#039;d be in much better shape &#8211; climate-wise, health-wise, financially and in terms of national security.</p>
<p>The next few years are going to be very interesting.  Will batteries appear that solve our personal transportation problems?  If so, high mileage gasmobiles and PHEVs will be temporary fixes.  </p>
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		<title>By: Edward Kerr</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Edward Kerr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 13:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bob.
Ev&#039;s, though great for short commutes (especially if you have panels to charge them) and should be, as you note, coming down in price, still have a &quot;distance driving&quot; drawback. Found this report on Gizmag yesterday and it looks promising (and with algal oil even more so) http://goo.gl/0KqXJ

What&#039;s your take on this one?
Ed, and u2 Zach?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob.<br />
Ev&#8217;s, though great for short commutes (especially if you have panels to charge them) and should be, as you note, coming down in price, still have a &#8220;distance driving&#8221; drawback. Found this report on Gizmag yesterday and it looks promising (and with algal oil even more so) <a href="http://goo.gl/0KqXJ" rel="nofollow">http://goo.gl/0KqXJ</a></p>
<p>What&#8217;s your take on this one?<br />
Ed, and u2 Zach?</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/03/05/even-conservatives-love-clean-energy/#comment-115043</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 12:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[solar and wind are actually the most supported across the board, poll after poll shows.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>solar and wind are actually the most supported across the board, poll after poll shows.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/03/05/even-conservatives-love-clean-energy/#comment-115007</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nicholas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 21:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have a feeling that bio-diesel helped that poll option to get votes. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a feeling that bio-diesel helped that poll option to get votes. </p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/03/05/even-conservatives-love-clean-energy/#comment-114983</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 17:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Buying oil from Canada.  That&#039;s how we make the US energy independent.

Yeah.  That&#039;s the answer.

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To be fair to the people who responded to the poll, EVs just aren&#039;t quite there yet.  And I say that as a huge EV fan.  Ranges need to go up some and prices fall a few thousand dollars and then I think the average person will change their opinion.

We can&#039;t drill our way out of this oil problem by letting oil companies loose in the Arctic.  Any new oil from there is a decade away.  More Canadian oil from a new pipeline is years away.  Neither is going to cut the price at the pump in the next few years.

I think we&#039;ll see EV prices drop with the 2013 models.  Battery prices are down.  

We may see some range improvement as well, GM has hinted at that with their Volt.   Renault is rumored to be introducing a higher mileage EV and the Honda Fit EV is listed at having about 20 more miles range than the Leaf.

Short term the only way to lessen the hurt at the pump is to drive less (car pool, public transportation) or drive more efficient vehicles.  (Look for big upturns in hybrid sales.)

My optimistic guess is that we will have a much better EV, price and range, in the next 2-3 years.  Solar will be a lot closer to a dime per kWh.  More people will have learned how cheap wind power is.

 At that point numbers on polls such as this one will start to shift toward choice three....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buying oil from Canada.  That&#8217;s how we make the US energy independent.</p>
<p>Yeah.  That&#8217;s the answer.</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>To be fair to the people who responded to the poll, EVs just aren&#8217;t quite there yet.  And I say that as a huge EV fan.  Ranges need to go up some and prices fall a few thousand dollars and then I think the average person will change their opinion.</p>
<p>We can&#8217;t drill our way out of this oil problem by letting oil companies loose in the Arctic.  Any new oil from there is a decade away.  More Canadian oil from a new pipeline is years away.  Neither is going to cut the price at the pump in the next few years.</p>
<p>I think we&#8217;ll see EV prices drop with the 2013 models.  Battery prices are down.  </p>
<p>We may see some range improvement as well, GM has hinted at that with their Volt.   Renault is rumored to be introducing a higher mileage EV and the Honda Fit EV is listed at having about 20 more miles range than the Leaf.</p>
<p>Short term the only way to lessen the hurt at the pump is to drive less (car pool, public transportation) or drive more efficient vehicles.  (Look for big upturns in hybrid sales.)</p>
<p>My optimistic guess is that we will have a much better EV, price and range, in the next 2-3 years.  Solar will be a lot closer to a dime per kWh.  More people will have learned how cheap wind power is.</p>
<p> At that point numbers on polls such as this one will start to shift toward choice three&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/03/05/even-conservatives-love-clean-energy/#comment-114982</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 17:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Haha, exactly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha, exactly.</p>
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		<title>By: Mattpeffly</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mattpeffly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 17:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So in this poll the options are
1) Tap the oil under alaskan wildlife reserves
2) Tap into national oil reserve (miltary oil for when there is none)
3) build the keystone pipe line
4) build Nukes
5) alternative energy

Just a bit twisted. What about &quot;hide my head in the sand&quot; Fla has great sand!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So in this poll the options are<br />
1) Tap the oil under alaskan wildlife reserves<br />
2) Tap into national oil reserve (miltary oil for when there is none)<br />
3) build the keystone pipe line<br />
4) build Nukes<br />
5) alternative energy</p>
<p>Just a bit twisted. What about &#8220;hide my head in the sand&#8221; Fla has great sand!</p>
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