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	<title>Comments on: How German Solar Has Made All German Electricity Cheaper</title>
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		<title>By: Wind &#38; Solar Pushing Down Price of Electricity in Australia - CleanTechnica</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/02/29/how-german-solar-has-made-all-german-electricity-cheaper/#comment-135409</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wind &#38; Solar Pushing Down Price of Electricity in Australia - CleanTechnica]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 22:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Leave a Comment         &#160; Editor&#8217;s note: as briefly mentioned below, this same thing has happened in Germany, which we&#8217;ve written about several times; and it has happened in Texas and several [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Leave a Comment         &nbsp; Editor&#8217;s note: as briefly mentioned below, this same thing has happened in Germany, which we&#8217;ve written about several times; and it has happened in Texas and several [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: April 1st in Germany - Happy Birthday Renewable Energy Sources Act! - CleanTechnica</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/02/29/how-german-solar-has-made-all-german-electricity-cheaper/#comment-117170</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[April 1st in Germany - Happy Birthday Renewable Energy Sources Act! - CleanTechnica]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2012 19:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] to the current market design and the resulting Merit-Order Effect, peak-load power actually sold cheaper than baseload power at the European Energy Exchange. While [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] to the current market design and the resulting Merit-Order Effect, peak-load power actually sold cheaper than baseload power at the European Energy Exchange. While [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: German Solar Bringing Down Price of Afternoon Electricity, Big Time! (More Charts &#38; Facts) - CleanTechnica</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/02/29/how-german-solar-has-made-all-german-electricity-cheaper/#comment-116345</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[German Solar Bringing Down Price of Afternoon Electricity, Big Time! (More Charts &#38; Facts) - CleanTechnica]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2012 00:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] March 23, 2012 By Zachary Shahan Leave a Comment   SharePin It &#160; Yes, we&#8217;ve covered how German solar is bringing down the price of electricity on the electricity market 3-4 times now. But here&#8217;s [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] March 23, 2012 By Zachary Shahan Leave a Comment   SharePin It &nbsp; Yes, we&#8217;ve covered how German solar is bringing down the price of electricity on the electricity market 3-4 times now. But here&#8217;s [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/02/29/how-german-solar-has-made-all-german-electricity-cheaper/#comment-115792</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2012 18:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the catch.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the catch.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Spencer's Bad Economics</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/02/29/how-german-solar-has-made-all-german-electricity-cheaper/#comment-115643</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roy Spencer's Bad Economics]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2012 09:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] around putting a price on carbon emissions, which does not hurt economic growth.&#160; For example, aggressive installation of solar panels has lowered electric prices in Germany, and renewable energy standards have no statistically significant impact on electricity [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] around putting a price on carbon emissions, which does not hurt economic growth.&nbsp; For example, aggressive installation of solar panels has lowered electric prices in Germany, and renewable energy standards have no statistically significant impact on electricity [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: mr mac</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/02/29/how-german-solar-has-made-all-german-electricity-cheaper/#comment-115544</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mr mac]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 05:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maths error: saving $10.50 per MWhr = 1c per KWhr not 10c

Otherwise a good article.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maths error: saving $10.50 per MWhr = 1c per KWhr not 10c</p>
<p>Otherwise a good article.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Kraemer</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/02/29/how-german-solar-has-made-all-german-electricity-cheaper/#comment-114863</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan Kraemer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2012 03:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thought I did? You are right. Will include study date. I had originally developed this as an explanation of merit order (to explain why Germany&#039;s utilities are up in arms over it and have just forced a cut in solar subsidies 

http://cleantechnica.com/2012/03/01/german-utilities-fight-solars-cost-cutting-merit-order-effect/ ) 

...but that story got too large with the explanation
and as I edited, left out the chronologies of the 20 year rise in solar after the FIT was introduced there. (I always write too much and have to keep cutting to make manageable stories out of unwieldy hunks)

(No figures out yet on the current effect - likely more now with so much more solar on the grid.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thought I did? You are right. Will include study date. I had originally developed this as an explanation of merit order (to explain why Germany&#8217;s utilities are up in arms over it and have just forced a cut in solar subsidies </p>
<p><a href="http://cleantechnica.com/2012/03/01/german-utilities-fight-solars-cost-cutting-merit-order-effect/" rel="nofollow">http://cleantechnica.com/2012/03/01/german-utilities-fight-solars-cost-cutting-merit-order-effect/</a> ) </p>
<p>&#8230;but that story got too large with the explanation<br />
and as I edited, left out the chronologies of the 20 year rise in solar after the FIT was introduced there. (I always write too much and have to keep cutting to make manageable stories out of unwieldy hunks)</p>
<p>(No figures out yet on the current effect &#8211; likely more now with so much more solar on the grid.)</p>
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		<title>By: 10 German Solar Energy Myths Bjørn Lomborg is Spreading</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/02/29/how-german-solar-has-made-all-german-electricity-cheaper/#comment-114818</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[10 German Solar Energy Myths Bjørn Lomborg is Spreading]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2012 20:43:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] the amount of solar power on the grid has actually lowered peak electricity prices (How the merit order effect works) but it has generated a backlash among German utilities, who are having their bottom line hurt by [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] the amount of solar power on the grid has actually lowered peak electricity prices (How the merit order effect works) but it has generated a backlash among German utilities, who are having their bottom line hurt by [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/02/29/how-german-solar-has-made-all-german-electricity-cheaper/#comment-114826</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2012 19:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yep. :D]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep. <img src="http://cleantechnica.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
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		<title>By: Chuntsah</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/02/29/how-german-solar-has-made-all-german-electricity-cheaper/#comment-114769</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chuntsah]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2012 10:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I love the coverage of the Merit Order Effect, but isn&#039;t this study from 2007? Should that be mentioned in your article? Or are you just pretending that it&#039;s fresh? I don&#039;t quite get it...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the coverage of the Merit Order Effect, but isn&#8217;t this study from 2007? Should that be mentioned in your article? Or are you just pretending that it&#8217;s fresh? I don&#8217;t quite get it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/02/29/how-german-solar-has-made-all-german-electricity-cheaper/#comment-114702</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2012 17:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s how renewables kill new nuclear in a free market.

Nuclear can&#039;t turn itself, or its massive financing costs, off when there&#039;s less expensive wind or solar on the grid.  Nuclear has to sell at a loss and then attempt to make that loss up by earning more during the hours that wind and solar are not providing.

The more wind and solar on the grid, the higher nuclear has to price its power in those limited windows.  That opens up the market for storage.  We&#039;re getting to the point at which cheap wind plus moderate priced storage eats the last of nuclear&#039;s lunch.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s how renewables kill new nuclear in a free market.</p>
<p>Nuclear can&#8217;t turn itself, or its massive financing costs, off when there&#8217;s less expensive wind or solar on the grid.  Nuclear has to sell at a loss and then attempt to make that loss up by earning more during the hours that wind and solar are not providing.</p>
<p>The more wind and solar on the grid, the higher nuclear has to price its power in those limited windows.  That opens up the market for storage.  We&#8217;re getting to the point at which cheap wind plus moderate priced storage eats the last of nuclear&#8217;s lunch.</p>
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		<title>By: How German Solar Has Made all Electricity Cheaper &#171; Climate Denial Crock of the Week</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/02/29/how-german-solar-has-made-all-german-electricity-cheaper/#comment-114685</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[How German Solar Has Made all Electricity Cheaper &#171; Climate Denial Crock of the Week]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2012 14:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Clean Technica: A study finds solar lowered the price of peak electricity in Germany by up to 40 percent. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Clean Technica: A study finds solar lowered the price of peak electricity in Germany by up to 40 percent. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Nospam</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/02/29/how-german-solar-has-made-all-german-electricity-cheaper/#comment-114689</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nospam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2012 14:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You miss one important point to the merit order effect: all power plants get the same price per kWh. This price is equal to the marginal cost of the last (and most expensive) supplier that is necessary to match demand. Solar and wind push this last supplier from the market, and thus lower the price for all suppliers.  

This is why RWE, Eon and Vattenfall hate solar so much. It cuts into the easy profits of their coal and nuclear powerplants.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You miss one important point to the merit order effect: all power plants get the same price per kWh. This price is equal to the marginal cost of the last (and most expensive) supplier that is necessary to match demand. Solar and wind push this last supplier from the market, and thus lower the price for all suppliers.  </p>
<p>This is why RWE, Eon and Vattenfall hate solar so much. It cuts into the easy profits of their coal and nuclear powerplants.</p>
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		<title>By: German Utilities Fight Solar&#8217;s Cost-Cutting Merit Order Effect - CleanTechnica</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/02/29/how-german-solar-has-made-all-german-electricity-cheaper/#comment-114663</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[German Utilities Fight Solar&#8217;s Cost-Cutting Merit Order Effect - CleanTechnica]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2012 06:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] the amount of solar power on the grid has actually lowered peak electricity prices (How the merit order effect works) but it has generated a backlash among German utilities, who are having their bottom line hurt by [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] the amount of solar power on the grid has actually lowered peak electricity prices (How the merit order effect works) but it has generated a backlash among German utilities, who are having their bottom line hurt by [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: lukealization</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/02/29/how-german-solar-has-made-all-german-electricity-cheaper/#comment-114647</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lukealization]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2012 01:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good article, once again proving the myriads of benifits of solar and wind - but as usual, haters gonna&#039; hate. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article, once again proving the myriads of benifits of solar and wind &#8211; but as usual, haters gonna&#8217; hate. </p>
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