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	<title>Comments on: Obama&#8217;s Budget Proposal a Win for Those Who Care about Clean Air, Clean Water, Livable Climate, &amp; Jobs</title>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/02/14/obama-budget-clean-air-water-climate-jobs/#comment-113748</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 09:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think it&#039;s crossing the line, but still a handful ready to kill its support. Check out the latest news on the PTC: http://cleantechnica.com/2012/02/17/sen-lamar-alexander-wind-power-tax-credits/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s crossing the line, but still a handful ready to kill its support. Check out the latest news on the PTC: <a href="http://cleantechnica.com/2012/02/17/sen-lamar-alexander-wind-power-tax-credits/" rel="nofollow">http://cleantechnica.com/2012/02/17/sen-lamar-alexander-wind-power-tax-credits/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/02/14/obama-budget-clean-air-water-climate-jobs/#comment-113729</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 06:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just saw this on line - Sam Brownback, the very conservative Republican governor of Kansas is pushing for subsidies for wind farms.  

http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/daa98f80956e40c18ee9e3d375b9ae3e/KS--Brownback-Kansas-Wind/

The Republican governor of Wyoming has also been campaigning more support for wind.

Wind may have crossed the threshold where it is no longer a &quot;greenie&quot; thing.  It might now be &quot;big business&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just saw this on line &#8211; Sam Brownback, the very conservative Republican governor of Kansas is pushing for subsidies for wind farms.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/daa98f80956e40c18ee9e3d375b9ae3e/KS--Brownback-Kansas-Wind/" rel="nofollow">http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/daa98f80956e40c18ee9e3d375b9ae3e/KS&#8211;Brownback-Kansas-Wind/</a></p>
<p>The Republican governor of Wyoming has also been campaigning more support for wind.</p>
<p>Wind may have crossed the threshold where it is no longer a &#8220;greenie&#8221; thing.  It might now be &#8220;big business&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/02/14/obama-budget-clean-air-water-climate-jobs/#comment-113711</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 00:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This budget, yes, most likely dead.  

But we&#039;re in good shape for returning control of Congress to Democrats if we choose to do so.  In general voters are disgusted with Republicans and they have very little chance of capturing the White House. 

If we work at it we could see next year&#039;s budget giving renewables and EVs the last push they need.

The wind industry is saying that they need only four more years of subsidy before they can prosper on their own.  Even Republicans are likely to extend support for wind as many conservative/Republican states are enjoying the jobs and tax revenues that wind is bringing them.

Solar prices are dropping very fast and should be at or below grid parity price for much of the country within a few years.    At this point the rest of the world is moving to solar fast enough to keep panel prices falling.  Here, in the US, it&#039;s all about installation costs.  We need some subsidies to keep volumes up and pull installation costs down.

EVs, a few more years of subsidy.  Battery prices are falling but we need to keep the industry moving along until ranges are up and prices have fallen a bit more.

But even if the overall budget proposal is hurting, I&#039;m not convinced that the renewable energy part is.

Within the last couple of days Congressional Republican seem to have shifted their strategy.  They seem to have walked away from their efforts to make PBO a one term president (figuring that they don&#039;t have a &quot;real&quot; candidate) by destroying the economy and turned their attention to holding on to their own jobs in November.  

Republicans gave up on blocking tax reduction for working people, even though it&#039;s likely to help the economy and PBO&#039;s reelection effort.

Will Republicans block renewable/EV subsidies if it promises to put Americans out of work?  Possibly not.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This budget, yes, most likely dead.  </p>
<p>But we&#8217;re in good shape for returning control of Congress to Democrats if we choose to do so.  In general voters are disgusted with Republicans and they have very little chance of capturing the White House. </p>
<p>If we work at it we could see next year&#8217;s budget giving renewables and EVs the last push they need.</p>
<p>The wind industry is saying that they need only four more years of subsidy before they can prosper on their own.  Even Republicans are likely to extend support for wind as many conservative/Republican states are enjoying the jobs and tax revenues that wind is bringing them.</p>
<p>Solar prices are dropping very fast and should be at or below grid parity price for much of the country within a few years.    At this point the rest of the world is moving to solar fast enough to keep panel prices falling.  Here, in the US, it&#8217;s all about installation costs.  We need some subsidies to keep volumes up and pull installation costs down.</p>
<p>EVs, a few more years of subsidy.  Battery prices are falling but we need to keep the industry moving along until ranges are up and prices have fallen a bit more.</p>
<p>But even if the overall budget proposal is hurting, I&#8217;m not convinced that the renewable energy part is.</p>
<p>Within the last couple of days Congressional Republican seem to have shifted their strategy.  They seem to have walked away from their efforts to make PBO a one term president (figuring that they don&#8217;t have a &#8220;real&#8221; candidate) by destroying the economy and turned their attention to holding on to their own jobs in November.  </p>
<p>Republicans gave up on blocking tax reduction for working people, even though it&#8217;s likely to help the economy and PBO&#8217;s reelection effort.</p>
<p>Will Republicans block renewable/EV subsidies if it promises to put Americans out of work?  Possibly not.  </p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/02/14/obama-budget-clean-air-water-climate-jobs/#comment-113710</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 00:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The federal gas tax is $0.184 per gallon.  

I suspect you&#039;re including state and local taxes which do not flow to the federal budget.

As for the federal government &#039;not lifting a finger&#039;, how much do you think we spend to keep our oil supplies operating?

Don&#039;t forget to include the cost of the two Iraq Wars and the Afgan War.  And the cost of Homeland Security, including all that airplane screening/marshal stuff.

(Step away from the Fox crack pipe.  It makes for teh stupid....)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The federal gas tax is $0.184 per gallon.  </p>
<p>I suspect you&#8217;re including state and local taxes which do not flow to the federal budget.</p>
<p>As for the federal government &#8216;not lifting a finger&#8217;, how much do you think we spend to keep our oil supplies operating?</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t forget to include the cost of the two Iraq Wars and the Afgan War.  And the cost of Homeland Security, including all that airplane screening/marshal stuff.</p>
<p>(Step away from the Fox crack pipe.  It makes for teh stupid&#8230;.)</p>
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		<title>By: U.S. Solar Energy Projects Rose 67% in 4th Quarter - CleanTechnica</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/02/14/obama-budget-clean-air-water-climate-jobs/#comment-113640</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[U.S. Solar Energy Projects Rose 67% in 4th Quarter - CleanTechnica]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2012 14:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] of the 1603 Treasury program, which the solar industry is working hard to get renewed and Obama included in his latest budget proposal. Additionally, if you haven&#8217;t heard (a joke for our regular readers), solar panel prices fell [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] of the 1603 Treasury program, which the solar industry is working hard to get renewed and Obama included in his latest budget proposal. Additionally, if you haven&#8217;t heard (a joke for our regular readers), solar panel prices fell [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/02/14/obama-budget-clean-air-water-climate-jobs/#comment-113645</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2012 13:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hmm, doesn&#039;t lift a finger?

You think the trillions we have spent on wars in the Middle East were really about something other than oil?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, doesn&#8217;t lift a finger?</p>
<p>You think the trillions we have spent on wars in the Middle East were really about something other than oil?</p>
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		<title>By: Lamar Havard</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/02/14/obama-budget-clean-air-water-climate-jobs/#comment-113625</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lamar Havard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2012 06:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ What gets me is the vast amounts of money the government takes the oil companies for and doesn&#039;t lift a finger to do it. 
 Do you know how much per gallon of gas the government get in taxes? 
Close to $.30. 
 And how much profit the oil companies get per gallon for 1: Finding the oil, 2: getting it out of the ground, 3: refining it to get the gas and other products and 4: getting it to the service stations? $.08.
 A mighty sweet deal for the Dear Leader and his cronies, wouldn&#039;t you say? 
 As much as Obama loves to tax and spend money, I don&#039;t think &#039;Big Oil&#039; is going anywhere any time soon. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> What gets me is the vast amounts of money the government takes the oil companies for and doesn&#8217;t lift a finger to do it.<br />
 Do you know how much per gallon of gas the government get in taxes?<br />
Close to $.30.<br />
 And how much profit the oil companies get per gallon for 1: Finding the oil, 2: getting it out of the ground, 3: refining it to get the gas and other products and 4: getting it to the service stations? $.08.<br />
 A mighty sweet deal for the Dear Leader and his cronies, wouldn&#8217;t you say?<br />
 As much as Obama loves to tax and spend money, I don&#8217;t think &#8216;Big Oil&#8217; is going anywhere any time soon. </p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/02/14/obama-budget-clean-air-water-climate-jobs/#comment-113598</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 19:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[lol. thanks, Ed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol. thanks, Ed.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward Kerr</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/02/14/obama-budget-clean-air-water-climate-jobs/#comment-113567</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Edward Kerr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 15:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Zach,
It would be nice if the budget proposal wasn&#039;t DOA already. Too many small, self serving and mean spirited minds are stirring the budget soup and I for one have come to realize that the political process is incapable of solving our energy dilemma. And since our entire world civilization is based on energy, our dilemma becomes more than simply one of energy. I don&#039;t know how things are going to pan out in the short term, but any long term solution (if one ever happens) will be in-spite of the politicians rather than as a result of their &quot;leadership&quot; (ouch...I&#039;ve used the term so loosely that my first grade teacher has just materialized from the ether and is striking me smartly about my head and shoulders as a rebuke. She taught me better)
Ed]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zach,<br />
It would be nice if the budget proposal wasn&#8217;t DOA already. Too many small, self serving and mean spirited minds are stirring the budget soup and I for one have come to realize that the political process is incapable of solving our energy dilemma. And since our entire world civilization is based on energy, our dilemma becomes more than simply one of energy. I don&#8217;t know how things are going to pan out in the short term, but any long term solution (if one ever happens) will be in-spite of the politicians rather than as a result of their &#8220;leadership&#8221; (ouch&#8230;I&#8217;ve used the term so loosely that my first grade teacher has just materialized from the ether and is striking me smartly about my head and shoulders as a rebuke. She taught me better)<br />
Ed</p>
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