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	<title>Comments on: Obama has Nearly Quadrupled Renewable Energy on Public Lands</title>
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		<title>By: Obama Hikes Royalties on Oil Industry by 50% - CleanTechnica</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Obama Hikes Royalties on Oil Industry by 50% - CleanTechnica]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 07:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] But there is a new wrinkle to this story. The Obama administration mounted an organized push to develop the nation&#8217;s renewable energy resources resulting in a quadrupling of solar and wind projects on public land. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] But there is a new wrinkle to this story. The Obama administration mounted an organized push to develop the nation&#8217;s renewable energy resources resulting in a quadrupling of solar and wind projects on public land. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: US Leads World in Clean Energy Investment Under Obama &#124; Green Prophet</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[US Leads World in Clean Energy Investment Under Obama &#124; Green Prophet]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2012 03:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Obama administration &#8211; quite simply &#8211; quadrupled all the clean energy ever put on US public lands. This year, its Department of the Interior fast tracked the biggest ever wind farm in North [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Obama administration &#8211; quite simply &#8211; quadrupled all the clean energy ever put on US public lands. This year, its Department of the Interior fast tracked the biggest ever wind farm in North [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Obama Administration Fast-Tracks 2,500 MW Wind Project in Wyoming</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Obama Administration Fast-Tracks 2,500 MW Wind Project in Wyoming]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2012 06:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] The BLM has already approved a record number of projects during the Obama administration, quadrupling the amount of renewable power permits ever approved on public .... [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] The BLM has already approved a record number of projects during the Obama administration, quadrupling the amount of renewable power permits ever approved on public &#8230;. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Kraemer</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/12/31/obama-has-nearly-quadrupled-renewable-energy-on-public-lands/#comment-110821</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan Kraemer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2012 01:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am sure they would if they could (put that much clean energy on rooftops). But we have Republican obstruction in the Senate, and the House is legally Tea Party/GOP since 2010 election. 

So, not gonna happen, right. So, the next best thing is find loophole in BLM so can approve renewables on Dept of Interior land. Which they did.

Numbers are not fudged: 

1. As I said in the story, &#039;Not all the renewable projects themselves are on public land. For the last two new approvals at the end of December; just the transmission and roads associated with them is on public lands. The two bring the total DOI approvals to 27 utility-scale renewable energy projects, an unprecedented jump.

2. As a matter of jurisdiction,energy projects that need transmission across public land must be approved by the BLM:

 Till now, both approvals - on BLM land or crossing BLM land were all oil and gas. 

Now, we are getting clean energy. Good news.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sure they would if they could (put that much clean energy on rooftops). But we have Republican obstruction in the Senate, and the House is legally Tea Party/GOP since 2010 election. </p>
<p>So, not gonna happen, right. So, the next best thing is find loophole in BLM so can approve renewables on Dept of Interior land. Which they did.</p>
<p>Numbers are not fudged: </p>
<p>1. As I said in the story, &#8216;Not all the renewable projects themselves are on public land. For the last two new approvals at the end of December; just the transmission and roads associated with them is on public lands. The two bring the total DOI approvals to 27 utility-scale renewable energy projects, an unprecedented jump.</p>
<p>2. As a matter of jurisdiction,energy projects that need transmission across public land must be approved by the BLM:</p>
<p> Till now, both approvals &#8211; on BLM land or crossing BLM land were all oil and gas. </p>
<p>Now, we are getting clean energy. Good news.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Brooks</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/12/31/obama-has-nearly-quadrupled-renewable-energy-on-public-lands/#comment-110548</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric Brooks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2012 01:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[On the first point. I think we agree. The trick is to keep them from building the dams.

On the second point, even in Southwest watersheds there will be lots of methane (etc) releases. Most importantly, it is the next two decades during which we are reaching critical tipping points and we absolutely must not put any unnecessary GHGs into the atmosphere whatsoever (especially methane). So the more rapid dissipation of methane compared to CO2 is irrelevant to the current emergency.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the first point. I think we agree. The trick is to keep them from building the dams.</p>
<p>On the second point, even in Southwest watersheds there will be lots of methane (etc) releases. Most importantly, it is the next two decades during which we are reaching critical tipping points and we absolutely must not put any unnecessary GHGs into the atmosphere whatsoever (especially methane). So the more rapid dissipation of methane compared to CO2 is irrelevant to the current emergency.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Brooks</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/12/31/obama-has-nearly-quadrupled-renewable-energy-on-public-lands/#comment-110547</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric Brooks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2012 01:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s easy. I ignore absurd hypothetical scenarios which have nothing to do with reality, and continue my environmental activism.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s easy. I ignore absurd hypothetical scenarios which have nothing to do with reality, and continue my environmental activism.</p>
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		<title>By: Shecky Vegas</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shecky Vegas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2012 20:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Eric - I&#039;d like to pose a scenario for you:

You are alone in a room. In front of you is a large box with a hole in the side. You are given two options --

Option 1: You can stick your hand in the box and one of two things will happen. Either 1) your hand will be chopped off, or 2) you will be rewarded with a large bundle of cash.

Option 2: You do not stick your hand in the box. But you are not allowed to leave the room and for all eternity it will be only you and the box.

What do you do?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric &#8211; I&#8217;d like to pose a scenario for you:</p>
<p>You are alone in a room. In front of you is a large box with a hole in the side. You are given two options &#8212;</p>
<p>Option 1: You can stick your hand in the box and one of two things will happen. Either 1) your hand will be chopped off, or 2) you will be rewarded with a large bundle of cash.</p>
<p>Option 2: You do not stick your hand in the box. But you are not allowed to leave the room and for all eternity it will be only you and the box.</p>
<p>What do you do?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2012 18:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not trying to be argumentative about this, but just want to chase it further into the weeds...

In parts of the SW it&#039;s &quot;100 miles&quot; from the snow pack to the ocean and the water moves that distance fairly quickly.  Without the marshes/wetlands needed to let it soak into the aquifer.  I really think that people are going to make the decision to trap as much of that water as possible, even if they lose 10% to evaporation.  Best practices be damned will, I suspect, be the rule.

Methane, while a much more powerful greenhouse gas, does not remain in the atmosphere anywhere as long  as does CO2.   Additionally, remember that if we&#039;re talking reservoirs in the SW we aren&#039;t talking about a lot of plant material that&#039;s going underwater.  Nothing like building a dam in the rain forest.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not trying to be argumentative about this, but just want to chase it further into the weeds&#8230;</p>
<p>In parts of the SW it&#8217;s &#8220;100 miles&#8221; from the snow pack to the ocean and the water moves that distance fairly quickly.  Without the marshes/wetlands needed to let it soak into the aquifer.  I really think that people are going to make the decision to trap as much of that water as possible, even if they lose 10% to evaporation.  Best practices be damned will, I suspect, be the rule.</p>
<p>Methane, while a much more powerful greenhouse gas, does not remain in the atmosphere anywhere as long  as does CO2.   Additionally, remember that if we&#8217;re talking reservoirs in the SW we aren&#8217;t talking about a lot of plant material that&#8217;s going underwater.  Nothing like building a dam in the rain forest.</p>
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		<title>By: Xmack</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/12/31/obama-has-nearly-quadrupled-renewable-energy-on-public-lands/#comment-110506</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Xmack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2012 06:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For as much as this govt subsidises private companies so they can sell the energy to the public at inflated prices...they could supply households with their own solar panels and solve the problem with energy consumption and a savings to people who qualify financially!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For as much as this govt subsidises private companies so they can sell the energy to the public at inflated prices&#8230;they could supply households with their own solar panels and solve the problem with energy consumption and a savings to people who qualify financially!!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/12/31/obama-has-nearly-quadrupled-renewable-energy-on-public-lands/#comment-110505</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2012 06:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If more reservoirs are constructed in the SW it&#039;s going to be about providing water for drying cities.  Not for electricity production, though that might be a side benefit.

I&#039;m not sure that I buy your evaporation argument.  If the runoff is not trapped in reservoirs it&#039;s going to quickly run to the sea.  Some will evaporate but more will be saved for use.

The problem of methane release.  I wonder how the math works out in terms of  plant decay emissions vs. many years of fossil fuel avoidance?

(I&#039;m not advocating for more dams.  Just looking at what may happen as snow packs disappear faster and other sources dry up.)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If more reservoirs are constructed in the SW it&#8217;s going to be about providing water for drying cities.  Not for electricity production, though that might be a side benefit.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure that I buy your evaporation argument.  If the runoff is not trapped in reservoirs it&#8217;s going to quickly run to the sea.  Some will evaporate but more will be saved for use.</p>
<p>The problem of methane release.  I wonder how the math works out in terms of  plant decay emissions vs. many years of fossil fuel avoidance?</p>
<p>(I&#8217;m not advocating for more dams.  Just looking at what may happen as snow packs disappear faster and other sources dry up.)</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Brooks</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/12/31/obama-has-nearly-quadrupled-renewable-energy-on-public-lands/#comment-110504</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric Brooks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2012 06:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reservoirs create rainfall problems and increase evaporation (because they are large surface areas of water open to the air and sun). And when first installed, they also cause huge die-offs of vegetation leading to a massive releases of greenhouses through biological decay of that vegetation. So dams/reservoirs are the antithesis to a sustainable response to reduced snow pack and water supply due to climate change.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reservoirs create rainfall problems and increase evaporation (because they are large surface areas of water open to the air and sun). And when first installed, they also cause huge die-offs of vegetation leading to a massive releases of greenhouses through biological decay of that vegetation. So dams/reservoirs are the antithesis to a sustainable response to reduced snow pack and water supply due to climate change.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Brooks</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/12/31/obama-has-nearly-quadrupled-renewable-energy-on-public-lands/#comment-110503</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric Brooks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2012 05:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you delve deeply into Obama&#039;s announcement, you will find that the administration is gaming the megawatt numbers by deceptively counting private projects that are not -on- public lands, but which were allowed to run environmentally destructive high voltage power transmission lines -through- public lands -to- those private renewables projects.

Another key to understanding this announcement is that the administration uses the term &#039;utility-scale &#039; to describe the projects fast tracked. This means extremely large projects that are dangerous to wildlife (especially in the case that those projects are solar thermal farms which require huge amounts of water to keep them cool).

So the question to ask, is why are we putting huge industrial scale utility plants on public lands, much of which is probably habitat for endangered species; species for which big wind and solar farms (and the long high voltage power lines necessary to carry their output from public wildlands to urban areas) are particularly harmful?

So the megawatt numbers are fudged and the strategy is environmentally harmful.

Instead, the Obama administration should be providing major incentives for urban centers themselves to be fully developed with community-wide local distributed generation, which consists of millions of installations of smaller scale renewables and efficiency measures and which require no large power lines plowed through natural areas.

Also note that large power lines from remote areas allow for profit corporations which own those lines to continue controlling electricity and holding it hostage from consumers, charging them high monopoly rates.

So the Obama administration&#039;s announcement is largely smoke and mirrors, represents an inherently anti-environmental approach to renewable energy generation and transmission, and also pales in comparison to the subsidies being given by the Obama administration to the destructive fossil fuel, nuclear and big ag industries for -their- energy production.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you delve deeply into Obama&#8217;s announcement, you will find that the administration is gaming the megawatt numbers by deceptively counting private projects that are not -on- public lands, but which were allowed to run environmentally destructive high voltage power transmission lines -through- public lands -to- those private renewables projects.</p>
<p>Another key to understanding this announcement is that the administration uses the term &#8216;utility-scale &#8216; to describe the projects fast tracked. This means extremely large projects that are dangerous to wildlife (especially in the case that those projects are solar thermal farms which require huge amounts of water to keep them cool).</p>
<p>So the question to ask, is why are we putting huge industrial scale utility plants on public lands, much of which is probably habitat for endangered species; species for which big wind and solar farms (and the long high voltage power lines necessary to carry their output from public wildlands to urban areas) are particularly harmful?</p>
<p>So the megawatt numbers are fudged and the strategy is environmentally harmful.</p>
<p>Instead, the Obama administration should be providing major incentives for urban centers themselves to be fully developed with community-wide local distributed generation, which consists of millions of installations of smaller scale renewables and efficiency measures and which require no large power lines plowed through natural areas.</p>
<p>Also note that large power lines from remote areas allow for profit corporations which own those lines to continue controlling electricity and holding it hostage from consumers, charging them high monopoly rates.</p>
<p>So the Obama administration&#8217;s announcement is largely smoke and mirrors, represents an inherently anti-environmental approach to renewable energy generation and transmission, and also pales in comparison to the subsidies being given by the Obama administration to the destructive fossil fuel, nuclear and big ag industries for -their- energy production.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2012 04:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good point.

Advice taken.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point.</p>
<p>Advice taken.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2012 04:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a great opportunity to call the White House and thank President Obama. Positive reinforcement makes behavior more likely to occur in the future. Even with politicians! Lol]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great opportunity to call the White House and thank President Obama. Positive reinforcement makes behavior more likely to occur in the future. Even with politicians! Lol</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jan 2012 05:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s now a  requirement that CA utility companies include storage in their system.  PG&amp;E and SMUD have been looking at pump-up hydro.  One of the SoCal utilities was talking about CAES.  I haven&#039;t heard anything about plans during the last several months.

It&#039;s looking to me as if battery technology might be maturing rapidly enough to fill the need.  Zinc-air and sodium-ion batteries are promising - cheap materials and companies are claiming high cycle numbers.

Water is likely to be a major problem in the SW over the coming years.  I can see lots of holding reservoirs being built if the snow pack starts melting too fast or not building up at all.  If a bit of forethought is put into the projects then they could also be used for energy storage and production.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s now a  requirement that CA utility companies include storage in their system.  PG&amp;E and SMUD have been looking at pump-up hydro.  One of the SoCal utilities was talking about CAES.  I haven&#8217;t heard anything about plans during the last several months.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s looking to me as if battery technology might be maturing rapidly enough to fill the need.  Zinc-air and sodium-ion batteries are promising &#8211; cheap materials and companies are claiming high cycle numbers.</p>
<p>Water is likely to be a major problem in the SW over the coming years.  I can see lots of holding reservoirs being built if the snow pack starts melting too fast or not building up at all.  If a bit of forethought is put into the projects then they could also be used for energy storage and production.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Kraemer</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/12/31/obama-has-nearly-quadrupled-renewable-energy-on-public-lands/#comment-110422</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan Kraemer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jan 2012 04:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, wow, that is news to me. I remember the CEO of PG&amp;E testifying to Boxers committee years ago about how PG&amp;E needs to build in extra renewables because California was expected to lose its hydro potential in future decades in the Sierra foothills... although, rereading, maybe a holding reservoir, then using that for pump-up storage is smart.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, wow, that is news to me. I remember the CEO of PG&amp;E testifying to Boxers committee years ago about how PG&amp;E needs to build in extra renewables because California was expected to lose its hydro potential in future decades in the Sierra foothills&#8230; although, rereading, maybe a holding reservoir, then using that for pump-up storage is smart.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jan 2012 04:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We may see more hydro in the Southwest.  Right now PG&amp;E and the Sacramento utility district (SMUD?) have plans to build new pump-up hydro facilities in the Sierra foothills.  I think a third CA utility might as well.

Then we&#039;re likely to be dealing with less snow pack and more winter rains.  That might lead to additional storage dams being built.

With sooner melting snows we could see more dams in other parts of the SW.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We may see more hydro in the Southwest.  Right now PG&amp;E and the Sacramento utility district (SMUD?) have plans to build new pump-up hydro facilities in the Sierra foothills.  I think a third CA utility might as well.</p>
<p>Then we&#8217;re likely to be dealing with less snow pack and more winter rains.  That might lead to additional storage dams being built.</p>
<p>With sooner melting snows we could see more dams in other parts of the SW.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Kraemer</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan Kraemer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jan 2012 04:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You are so right on the money as always, Bob!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are so right on the money as always, Bob!</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Kraemer</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan Kraemer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jan 2012 04:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While I personally agree with you that new environmentally sensitive hydro should be counted as renewable, at least in the states that now have lots of water (and expect more under the destabilized climate of the future decades, like the northeast and northwest - not the desertifying states of the southwest) the data I quote is from the DOI, which in this instance is counting just the solar and wind and geothermal on public lands.

That is probably wise not including hydro, since the way we used to build gigantic dams like Hoover can never be done again (apart from the environmental problems giant dams cause, the Colorado river is drying up in the southwest) so there is no way to compare it. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I personally agree with you that new environmentally sensitive hydro should be counted as renewable, at least in the states that now have lots of water (and expect more under the destabilized climate of the future decades, like the northeast and northwest &#8211; not the desertifying states of the southwest) the data I quote is from the DOI, which in this instance is counting just the solar and wind and geothermal on public lands.</p>
<p>That is probably wise not including hydro, since the way we used to build gigantic dams like Hoover can never be done again (apart from the environmental problems giant dams cause, the Colorado river is drying up in the southwest) so there is no way to compare it. </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/12/31/obama-has-nearly-quadrupled-renewable-energy-on-public-lands/#comment-110413</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jan 2012 02:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I strongly disagree.

We should subsidize emerging technologies which promise to improve our lives.  It takes time to perfect new technology and there needs to be large enough manufacturing to bring down the price.

Some years back solar panels were more than $50 per watt.  Because we subsidized panels over many years the price has now dropped to less than $1 per watt.

With subsidies we took wind from very expensive about 30 years ago to now one of our two cheapest ways of producing electricity.  Our cheapest renewable.

That kind of subsidizing is way of investing in a better future.

I would agree that if a technology can&#039;t support itself after an adequate opportunity then we should cut it loose.  Time to quit subsidizing coal and nuclear.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I strongly disagree.</p>
<p>We should subsidize emerging technologies which promise to improve our lives.  It takes time to perfect new technology and there needs to be large enough manufacturing to bring down the price.</p>
<p>Some years back solar panels were more than $50 per watt.  Because we subsidized panels over many years the price has now dropped to less than $1 per watt.</p>
<p>With subsidies we took wind from very expensive about 30 years ago to now one of our two cheapest ways of producing electricity.  Our cheapest renewable.</p>
<p>That kind of subsidizing is way of investing in a better future.</p>
<p>I would agree that if a technology can&#8217;t support itself after an adequate opportunity then we should cut it loose.  Time to quit subsidizing coal and nuclear.</p>
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