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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/11/24/solar-backup-myth/#comment-108039</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Nov 2011 19:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the note/point.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the note/point.</p>
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		<title>By: Dcard88</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/11/24/solar-backup-myth/#comment-108024</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Nov 2011 16:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Also, moderately cloudy days will still produce up to 50% power and heavy clouds will produce 5 to 10% (most technologies)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, moderately cloudy days will still produce up to 50% power and heavy clouds will produce 5 to 10% (most technologies)</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/11/24/solar-backup-myth/#comment-107983</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Nov 2011 04:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s a good site with basic info on various fossil fuel generation methods including startup time.

Note that the turbine portion of combined cycle gas plants are fast to come up but the heat/steam portion takes 1.5 to 3 hours to climb to speed.  That does mean that combined cycle can be used for peaker power if needed.

http://www.universalaet.com/docs/combined-cycle-systems-jbc.pdf]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a good site with basic info on various fossil fuel generation methods including startup time.</p>
<p>Note that the turbine portion of combined cycle gas plants are fast to come up but the heat/steam portion takes 1.5 to 3 hours to climb to speed.  That does mean that combined cycle can be used for peaker power if needed.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.universalaet.com/docs/combined-cycle-systems-jbc.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.universalaet.com/docs/combined-cycle-systems-jbc.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/11/24/solar-backup-myth/#comment-107978</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Nov 2011 01:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks! I updated that line. Any chance you&#039;ve got links for those numbers that we could stick on that text?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks! I updated that line. Any chance you&#8217;ve got links for those numbers that we could stick on that text?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/11/24/solar-backup-myth/#comment-107976</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Nov 2011 01:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nicely put :D]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicely put <img src="http://cleantechnica.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/11/24/solar-backup-myth/#comment-107964</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Nov 2011 00:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The most recent battery technologies certainly are promising. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The most recent battery technologies certainly are promising. </p>
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		<title>By: Jnffarrell</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2011 18:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Electric companies charge ratepayers for peak power needed only on the hottest and sunniest days. Moreover they ship high priced power across thousands of miles of electric grid payed for by rate payers. Distributed power at home and at Walmart prevents power failures and rotten food for thousands, not to mention preserving comfort and safety for thousands of old people who have retired to the desert.

Shame on power company lobbying for less safety for old people. Time for Sen. Grassley to speak up against PG&amp;Es &#039;death lobby.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Electric companies charge ratepayers for peak power needed only on the hottest and sunniest days. Moreover they ship high priced power across thousands of miles of electric grid payed for by rate payers. Distributed power at home and at Walmart prevents power failures and rotten food for thousands, not to mention preserving comfort and safety for thousands of old people who have retired to the desert.</p>
<p>Shame on power company lobbying for less safety for old people. Time for Sen. Grassley to speak up against PG&amp;Es &#8216;death lobby.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2011 18:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Modern gas peaking plants can go from full stop to full speed in 10-15 minutes.  Much less than an hour.  Hydro generators are essentially instantaneous.

Solar input, if it&#039;s from a number of arrays spread across an area, does not suddenly turn on or off.  Clouds move across a region in a gradual and predictable pattern.

Some really interesting stuff is happening with battery technology.  We may see new, very inexpensive battery storage in production in the next year or two.  When that happens solar and wind are going to take a lot of natural gas off our grids.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Modern gas peaking plants can go from full stop to full speed in 10-15 minutes.  Much less than an hour.  Hydro generators are essentially instantaneous.</p>
<p>Solar input, if it&#8217;s from a number of arrays spread across an area, does not suddenly turn on or off.  Clouds move across a region in a gradual and predictable pattern.</p>
<p>Some really interesting stuff is happening with battery technology.  We may see new, very inexpensive battery storage in production in the next year or two.  When that happens solar and wind are going to take a lot of natural gas off our grids.</p>
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