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	<title>Comments on: &#8216;Keep &#8216;em Barefoot and Ignorant&#039;: House Republicans on Public Access to Climate Data, Science</title>
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		<title>By: Eccentric scientist</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eccentric scientist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2012 05:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ahaha, you sound like me bitching about the extreme leftists (these days getting nearly as bad as extreme right wingers) want to fund BS like video game &#039;museums&#039;.  The difference here though is that like nbii (which is being shut down for who the hell knows what reason), is neither expensive nor perpetually grows.  Certainly the data adds up but storage and server costs go down and the amount of info is minuscule compared to the mountains of useless shit that government stores for &#039;national securities&#039; sake.  It is relevant weather data. How is this wasteful?  A program like this might cost a few hundred grand where a defense program like the f-35 fighter costs billions of dollars to develop 2 engines for the same plane when only one is going to be used. That is wasteful spending.  This isn&#039;t some little pet art project, or some bullshit guppy game (and yes, even I, as an evolutionary  biologist think that little flash game piece of filth is bull).  You want to cut BS projects cut crap like $350,000 to support an International Art Exhibition in Venice, Italy where they rented a tank and flipped it upside and put a treadmill on top.  Don&#039;t get me wrong I like art, my mother is an artist but that crap isn&#039;t art, its the government throwing money down the toilet.  Legit science that has direct economic impact like this isn&#039;t what we need to be cutting.

Your right, we can&#039;t expect the government to do everything so we need to get our spending priorities straight.  This is something we keep.  That megadeath super-maser dead-end perpetual defense program can be cut because we all know nothing is going to come out of it.The 10 mil for a Pakistani Sesame Street or the 60 grand for a wine conference in Ohio, or the 606 grand study of online dating.  That is bullshit we need to cut out.  There is at least 7 billion of that sort of smut in the current budget so if we need to redirect about 1 billion total (and that is REALLY a high end estimate) of that money to split between the USGS to maintain nbii, the US forest service to clean up the disgusting state of the Great lakes, and to the NOAA so they can provide legitimate researchers with up to date, accurate climate data, that is still a 6 billion dollar savings PER YEAR.  With perhaps 2 exceptions to REPUBLICAN (and obviously I&#039;m a pretty liberal leaning individual here) Senator Tom Coburn&#039;s wastebook, I can say I agree with pretty much everything he says in there so I am all about making cuts and sacrifices. 

That 6 billion is before any medicare/medicaid reforms like those suggested by Senators Joe Lieberman and Tom Coburn (again) and social security security reforms like those proposed by Jason Chaffetz which should save the government 500 billion and 600 billion dollars over the next 10 years respectively (which actually would make these programs ALMOST sustainable).  What we can&#039;t sacrifice is the very few remaining science projects at the FEDERAL level, not state and city pet projects, federal level projects.  At some point we have to protect the sciences, because science and technology are the only thing this country has going for it in the future.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahaha, you sound like me bitching about the extreme leftists (these days getting nearly as bad as extreme right wingers) want to fund BS like video game &#8216;museums&#8217;.  The difference here though is that like nbii (which is being shut down for who the hell knows what reason), is neither expensive nor perpetually grows.  Certainly the data adds up but storage and server costs go down and the amount of info is minuscule compared to the mountains of useless shit that government stores for &#8216;national securities&#8217; sake.  It is relevant weather data. How is this wasteful?  A program like this might cost a few hundred grand where a defense program like the f-35 fighter costs billions of dollars to develop 2 engines for the same plane when only one is going to be used. That is wasteful spending.  This isn&#8217;t some little pet art project, or some bullshit guppy game (and yes, even I, as an evolutionary  biologist think that little flash game piece of filth is bull).  You want to cut BS projects cut crap like $350,000 to support an International Art Exhibition in Venice, Italy where they rented a tank and flipped it upside and put a treadmill on top.  Don&#8217;t get me wrong I like art, my mother is an artist but that crap isn&#8217;t art, its the government throwing money down the toilet.  Legit science that has direct economic impact like this isn&#8217;t what we need to be cutting.</p>
<p>Your right, we can&#8217;t expect the government to do everything so we need to get our spending priorities straight.  This is something we keep.  That megadeath super-maser dead-end perpetual defense program can be cut because we all know nothing is going to come out of it.The 10 mil for a Pakistani Sesame Street or the 60 grand for a wine conference in Ohio, or the 606 grand study of online dating.  That is bullshit we need to cut out.  There is at least 7 billion of that sort of smut in the current budget so if we need to redirect about 1 billion total (and that is REALLY a high end estimate) of that money to split between the USGS to maintain nbii, the US forest service to clean up the disgusting state of the Great lakes, and to the NOAA so they can provide legitimate researchers with up to date, accurate climate data, that is still a 6 billion dollar savings PER YEAR.  With perhaps 2 exceptions to REPUBLICAN (and obviously I&#8217;m a pretty liberal leaning individual here) Senator Tom Coburn&#8217;s wastebook, I can say I agree with pretty much everything he says in there so I am all about making cuts and sacrifices. </p>
<p>That 6 billion is before any medicare/medicaid reforms like those suggested by Senators Joe Lieberman and Tom Coburn (again) and social security security reforms like those proposed by Jason Chaffetz which should save the government 500 billion and 600 billion dollars over the next 10 years respectively (which actually would make these programs ALMOST sustainable).  What we can&#8217;t sacrifice is the very few remaining science projects at the FEDERAL level, not state and city pet projects, federal level projects.  At some point we have to protect the sciences, because science and technology are the only thing this country has going for it in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: vern</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vern]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2012 01:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think your comment like others I&#039;ve seen on the topic is misinformed. There&#039;s certainly no &#039;freedom of speech&#039; issue here. And NOAA is every day currently providing summary data, raw data, software source, etc either via their public web site or FOIA requests.  

This proposal, which I am honestly kind of neutral on, proposes setting up a formal, funded program within the agency. 

My problem is that based on my experience with government agencies, establishing a program is a great way to start a prepetually funded, growing expense item.  This I think we should be careful of.  Especially at the expense of the true science NOAA should be doing.

I haven&#039;t made my personal conclusion on this thing yet. I need more facts to do so. 

Also, not every idea our agencies propose to Congress is a good idea to fund -- even if the idea has merit. We simply can&#039;t do everything.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think your comment like others I&#8217;ve seen on the topic is misinformed. There&#8217;s certainly no &#8216;freedom of speech&#8217; issue here. And NOAA is every day currently providing summary data, raw data, software source, etc either via their public web site or FOIA requests.  </p>
<p>This proposal, which I am honestly kind of neutral on, proposes setting up a formal, funded program within the agency. </p>
<p>My problem is that based on my experience with government agencies, establishing a program is a great way to start a prepetually funded, growing expense item.  This I think we should be careful of.  Especially at the expense of the true science NOAA should be doing.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t made my personal conclusion on this thing yet. I need more facts to do so. </p>
<p>Also, not every idea our agencies propose to Congress is a good idea to fund &#8212; even if the idea has merit. We simply can&#8217;t do everything.</p>
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		<title>By: vern</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vern]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2012 00:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#039;They play games&#039; in the 3rd section above was meant to be typed into an IM, and is NOT part of my comment on NOAA.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;They play games&#8217; in the 3rd section above was meant to be typed into an IM, and is NOT part of my comment on NOAA.</p>
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		<title>By: vern</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vern]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2012 00:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a clear mischaracterization of the facts. This new program has a cost, if NOAA added this project to its budget and the overall budget didn’t increase then it is at most budget neutral, nothing is free folks.  Setting this up will require management, project planning, tech resources, tech software and hardware purchases, and ongoing expense to maintain.  If NOAAs budget didn’t increase, this means that this project is eating funds from other areas.  Meaning 1- those other areas are somehow now not worth funding even if they were worth funding last year or 2 – this public information project is a high profile way to attract attention to NOAA and potentially secure future funding.  

I wouldn’t be surprised to find that NOAA sacrificed something once justified as important for their science endeavors in order to fund this.  I say this based on working with government agencies in the past.  

And don’t forget NOAA for quite some time resisted in sharing their data and calculations (corrections applied to the raw data to compensate for many placement and localized weather station issues). They play games.

And before anyone calls me some GOP shill, I’m a Democrat and voted for Obama.  But that doesn’t mean I’m not weary of the waste and personal ambition driven power and funding corruption in our agencies.  

I read 30+ sites dedicated to green energy, renewable technology, climate change, and other topics. I would appreciate if reporting like this and other articles on this site didn’t focus on calling out the GOP as I know for a fact that both sides have Green lovers and haters.  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a clear mischaracterization of the facts. This new program has a cost, if NOAA added this project to its budget and the overall budget didn’t increase then it is at most budget neutral, nothing is free folks.  Setting this up will require management, project planning, tech resources, tech software and hardware purchases, and ongoing expense to maintain.  If NOAAs budget didn’t increase, this means that this project is eating funds from other areas.  Meaning 1- those other areas are somehow now not worth funding even if they were worth funding last year or 2 – this public information project is a high profile way to attract attention to NOAA and potentially secure future funding.  </p>
<p>I wouldn’t be surprised to find that NOAA sacrificed something once justified as important for their science endeavors in order to fund this.  I say this based on working with government agencies in the past.  </p>
<p>And don’t forget NOAA for quite some time resisted in sharing their data and calculations (corrections applied to the raw data to compensate for many placement and localized weather station issues). They play games.</p>
<p>And before anyone calls me some GOP shill, I’m a Democrat and voted for Obama.  But that doesn’t mean I’m not weary of the waste and personal ambition driven power and funding corruption in our agencies.  </p>
<p>I read 30+ sites dedicated to green energy, renewable technology, climate change, and other topics. I would appreciate if reporting like this and other articles on this site didn’t focus on calling out the GOP as I know for a fact that both sides have Green lovers and haters.  </p>
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		<title>By: Tropical Day</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tropical Day]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2011 02:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Understand where the GOP get it&#039;s money and you understand why they act on behalf of just a fortunate few. They turn a blind eye for a boat load of money. Most of them know climate change is a fact. Big oil and big coal, as the saying go&#039;s, money talks but cash screams!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Understand where the GOP get it&#8217;s money and you understand why they act on behalf of just a fortunate few. They turn a blind eye for a boat load of money. Most of them know climate change is a fact. Big oil and big coal, as the saying go&#8217;s, money talks but cash screams!</p>
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		<title>By: Eccentric scientist</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eccentric scientist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2011 22:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think I smell a troll.  

A lot of greedy fools will deny climate change (at least the human perpetuated kind) but I doubt too many sane &#039;non-trolling&#039; people support denying the freedom of speech.

Even if Noschitt (classy name btw, smells troll-ey) is serious it is sort of hypocritical no? 
Let trolls be trolls.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I smell a troll.  </p>
<p>A lot of greedy fools will deny climate change (at least the human perpetuated kind) but I doubt too many sane &#8216;non-trolling&#8217; people support denying the freedom of speech.</p>
<p>Even if Noschitt (classy name btw, smells troll-ey) is serious it is sort of hypocritical no?<br />
Let trolls be trolls.</p>
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		<title>By: Shecky Vegas</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shecky Vegas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2011 20:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Y&#039;know, we used to burn witches, too. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Y&#8217;know, we used to burn witches, too. </p>
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		<title>By: splook</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[splook]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2011 17:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK, it is definately your perogative to remain ignorant to the changes happening around you.  But... why is sharing onfo about our world and what is happening not a good thing?  Go suck on a tailpipe of a car and then tell me we aren&#039;t changing the environment!  Horray for people living in denial!  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, it is definately your perogative to remain ignorant to the changes happening around you.  But&#8230; why is sharing onfo about our world and what is happening not a good thing?  Go suck on a tailpipe of a car and then tell me we aren&#8217;t changing the environment!  Horray for people living in denial!  </p>
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		<title>By: Noschitt</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Noschitt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2011 11:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[GOOD glad to hear that some one is saying NO.. about time]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GOOD glad to hear that some one is saying NO.. about time</p>
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