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	<title>Comments on: You Can Pre-Order the Electric Ford Focus for $40,000</title>
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		<title>By: Ford Focus Electric: 110 MPGe &#38; Most Fuel-Efficient Car in U.S. - CleanTechnica</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ford Focus Electric: 110 MPGe &#38; Most Fuel-Efficient Car in U.S. - CleanTechnica]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2012 15:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Environmental Protection Agency has certified the 2012 Ford Focus Electric as the most fuel-efficient 5-passenger car in the U.S. now, with a fuel efficiency of 110 MPGe (in [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Environmental Protection Agency has certified the 2012 Ford Focus Electric as the most fuel-efficient 5-passenger car in the U.S. now, with a fuel efficiency of 110 MPGe (in [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: T. Lester</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[T. Lester]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2011 05:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No thanks. I live in a city and public transportation is the best, when it&#039;s raining or snowing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No thanks. I live in a city and public transportation is the best, when it&#8217;s raining or snowing.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2011 15:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The reason is because many people want personal transportation.  It&#039;s just that simple.

Life using mass transit is easy if you live, and spend almost all of your time, in densely populated urban areas.  Especially if you don&#039;t have small children or physically challenged adults to move from place to place.

But many of us are not urban singles.

I&#039;ve spent a lot of time in Bangkok and, there, public transportation works and makes sense.  Where I live most of my life, the last time a bus came by my house was....

The bus has never come by my house.

Some years back there was a weekly van to town, but that was down at the highway, a 3.5 mile walk.  Not a half block from apartment building to subway station.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason is because many people want personal transportation.  It&#8217;s just that simple.</p>
<p>Life using mass transit is easy if you live, and spend almost all of your time, in densely populated urban areas.  Especially if you don&#8217;t have small children or physically challenged adults to move from place to place.</p>
<p>But many of us are not urban singles.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve spent a lot of time in Bangkok and, there, public transportation works and makes sense.  Where I live most of my life, the last time a bus came by my house was&#8230;.</p>
<p>The bus has never come by my house.</p>
<p>Some years back there was a weekly van to town, but that was down at the highway, a 3.5 mile walk.  Not a half block from apartment building to subway station.</p>
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		<title>By: Omsaihari</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Omsaihari]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2011 13:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ford should focus on electric buses and mass transit transport systems. Why crowd the roads with more cars so that fools can kill themselves or  maim others? I do think that the original Henry Ford would have shifted to mass transport methods if he had lived into this century.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ford should focus on electric buses and mass transit transport systems. Why crowd the roads with more cars so that fools can kill themselves or  maim others? I do think that the original Henry Ford would have shifted to mass transport methods if he had lived into this century.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2011 02:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hummm....

I just checked NewEgg.  I can get a TB for $0.09/gig.

That&#039;s about a three million x drop.

Can you imagine what would happen if EV batteries were to drop to below the price of an internal combustion engine and capacity doubled to 200 miles?

Bye-bye gas pumps....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hummm&#8230;.</p>
<p>I just checked NewEgg.  I can get a TB for $0.09/gig.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s about a three million x drop.</p>
<p>Can you imagine what would happen if EV batteries were to drop to below the price of an internal combustion engine and capacity doubled to 200 miles?</p>
<p>Bye-bye gas pumps&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2011 02:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[$39,995 MSRP
 - 7,500 federal rebate
 - 5,000 California rebate
 - 3,000 San Joaquin Valley rebate
$24,495 for some buyers.

Figure that it will cost more than thousand dollars a year less to drive than a 40MPG gas Focus and the math isn&#039;t looking bad for some.  Maybe a five year break-even between the EV and an nicely outfitted gas Focus.

In Colorado there&#039;s a $6k rebate which would make it $26,495.  Other states also have rebate programs.

That said, is will be nice when manufacturers can get battery prices down and subsidies can be eliminated.

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I was just thinking earlier this evening about how I paid a bit over $8,000 (2011 dollars) in 1983 for a 30 MB (yes, mega) hard drive.  That&#039;s $266,667 per gig (if I didn&#039;t screw the math.)


Now I can buy a 1TB drive for $130.  That&#039;s $0.13 per gig.  And the drive will be much faster and much more reliable.

There&#039;s no appreciable difference in what was used to manufacture the two drives.  No pounds of &quot;unobtainium&quot; in the 30 MB drive.  Just years of learning how to make the product more efficiently.

Something similar should happen with EV batteries.  Perhaps not a 2,000,000x cost drop, but even a 4x - 6x drop would make EVs very affordable.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>$39,995 MSRP<br />
 &#8211; 7,500 federal rebate<br />
 &#8211; 5,000 California rebate<br />
 &#8211; 3,000 San Joaquin Valley rebate<br />
$24,495 for some buyers.</p>
<p>Figure that it will cost more than thousand dollars a year less to drive than a 40MPG gas Focus and the math isn&#8217;t looking bad for some.  Maybe a five year break-even between the EV and an nicely outfitted gas Focus.</p>
<p>In Colorado there&#8217;s a $6k rebate which would make it $26,495.  Other states also have rebate programs.</p>
<p>That said, is will be nice when manufacturers can get battery prices down and subsidies can be eliminated.</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>I was just thinking earlier this evening about how I paid a bit over $8,000 (2011 dollars) in 1983 for a 30 MB (yes, mega) hard drive.  That&#8217;s $266,667 per gig (if I didn&#8217;t screw the math.)</p>
<p>Now I can buy a 1TB drive for $130.  That&#8217;s $0.13 per gig.  And the drive will be much faster and much more reliable.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no appreciable difference in what was used to manufacture the two drives.  No pounds of &#8220;unobtainium&#8221; in the 30 MB drive.  Just years of learning how to make the product more efficiently.</p>
<p>Something similar should happen with EV batteries.  Perhaps not a 2,000,000x cost drop, but even a 4x &#8211; 6x drop would make EVs very affordable.</p>
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