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	<title>Comments on: China Won&#8217;t Ape US in CO2 Levels as that Would be &#8220;World Disaster&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: China-US Solar Trade War Has Complex Arguments &#124; CleanTechnica</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[China-US Solar Trade War Has Complex Arguments &#124; CleanTechnica]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2011 23:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] subsidizing of solar results in cheaper solar around the world truly is a benefit to humanity: see China Won&#8217;t Ape US on Carbon: Disastrous.We need solar to get to grid parity, and what the Chinese government is doing will do more to get [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] subsidizing of solar results in cheaper solar around the world truly is a benefit to humanity: see China Won&#8217;t Ape US on Carbon: Disastrous.We need solar to get to grid parity, and what the Chinese government is doing will do more to get [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2011 15:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[China is working on the problem.  Perhaps even aggressively working on the problem.

Bad air is not something that came to China with its current industrial revolution.  During and after the Mao era the air in China&#039;s cities was terrible.  Sanitation was awful.  

It looks to me like China will reach a good balance between adequate wealth and reasonable environmental conditions faster than most countries have done.  Here, in the US, we certainly pulled ourselves up financially well before we quit setting our rivers on fire.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>China is working on the problem.  Perhaps even aggressively working on the problem.</p>
<p>Bad air is not something that came to China with its current industrial revolution.  During and after the Mao era the air in China&#8217;s cities was terrible.  Sanitation was awful.  </p>
<p>It looks to me like China will reach a good balance between adequate wealth and reasonable environmental conditions faster than most countries have done.  Here, in the US, we certainly pulled ourselves up financially well before we quit setting our rivers on fire.</p>
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		<title>By: Chittaluru Akil</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chittaluru Akil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2011 12:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Numbers are all fine, but if you feel like you can chew the air, you&#039;ve already done something wrong. I am all for poverty eradication, but there needs to be a balance between that and the environment (as there needs to be a balance between progress and the maintenance of human rights), and I&#039;m not so sure that China has struck that balance...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Numbers are all fine, but if you feel like you can chew the air, you&#8217;ve already done something wrong. I am all for poverty eradication, but there needs to be a balance between that and the environment (as there needs to be a balance between progress and the maintenance of human rights), and I&#8217;m not so sure that China has struck that balance&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Kraemer</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan Kraemer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2011 05:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you look at China&#039;s actions taken to implement renewable energy (the solution to climate change) it is clear it is not just words. 
Far from it.

http://cleantechnica.com/2011/10/28/china-now-world-leader-in-wind-and-hydro/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you look at China&#8217;s actions taken to implement renewable energy (the solution to climate change) it is clear it is not just words.<br />
Far from it.</p>
<p><a href="http://cleantechnica.com/2011/10/28/china-now-world-leader-in-wind-and-hydro/" rel="nofollow">http://cleantechnica.com/2011/10/28/china-now-world-leader-in-wind-and-hydro/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 17:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Of course the Chinese government sometimes says and believes conflicting things.  And, of course, the Chinese government has a lot of work to do in areas such as democracy and human rights.  And, yes, &quot;saving face&quot; is important.

But the discussion here is about how China is going gangbusters at installing clean energy generation.

I do not agree with your statement that the Chinese government is working to make the environment in order to make them look better.  If you&#039;ve spent any time in China you will know that China has some terrible pollution problems, sometimes the air is so thick that it feels like you could break off a piece and chew it.  The Chinese government recognizes that it must make people&#039;s lives better in order to stay in power.  Raising the population out of dire poverty was the first job.  Now that they have made significant progress on that problem they are able to concentrate on other problems.

China is working to improve its climatic problems.  They are not denying climate change and blocking clean energy as are some western democracies.

Does that make them &quot;superior&quot;?  Of course not.  But let&#039;s give them credit for things they are doing right.  We could learn from them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course the Chinese government sometimes says and believes conflicting things.  And, of course, the Chinese government has a lot of work to do in areas such as democracy and human rights.  And, yes, &#8220;saving face&#8221; is important.</p>
<p>But the discussion here is about how China is going gangbusters at installing clean energy generation.</p>
<p>I do not agree with your statement that the Chinese government is working to make the environment in order to make them look better.  If you&#8217;ve spent any time in China you will know that China has some terrible pollution problems, sometimes the air is so thick that it feels like you could break off a piece and chew it.  The Chinese government recognizes that it must make people&#8217;s lives better in order to stay in power.  Raising the population out of dire poverty was the first job.  Now that they have made significant progress on that problem they are able to concentrate on other problems.</p>
<p>China is working to improve its climatic problems.  They are not denying climate change and blocking clean energy as are some western democracies.</p>
<p>Does that make them &#8220;superior&#8221;?  Of course not.  But let&#8217;s give them credit for things they are doing right.  We could learn from them.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 17:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think you&#039;ve ever spent a significant time in China or know anything about that country.

These are merely words. The Chinese government is first and foremost interested in increasing GDP - environment is a way to make them look &quot;better.&quot; Look at their failed eco-cities, and their most recent venture with Singapore, the Sino-Singapore Tianjin Eco City, is a horrible waste of every resource in the name of creating a &quot;green&quot; city.

If you know anything, that country is full of false promises by the government. The government there does ANYTHING to save face and try to increase its international reputation. And this is done by cheating, lying, etc. Look at their handling of everything, from the bullet train incident (where they initially buried the trains in the ground at the site of the accident) to the Beijing 2008 olympics (underage gymnasts, etc.).

The authoritarian government style has benefits, like enforcing paid-plastic bags at super markets, but what the Chinese government says and believes are two (oftentimes conflicting) things.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;ve ever spent a significant time in China or know anything about that country.</p>
<p>These are merely words. The Chinese government is first and foremost interested in increasing GDP &#8211; environment is a way to make them look &#8220;better.&#8221; Look at their failed eco-cities, and their most recent venture with Singapore, the Sino-Singapore Tianjin Eco City, is a horrible waste of every resource in the name of creating a &#8220;green&#8221; city.</p>
<p>If you know anything, that country is full of false promises by the government. The government there does ANYTHING to save face and try to increase its international reputation. And this is done by cheating, lying, etc. Look at their handling of everything, from the bullet train incident (where they initially buried the trains in the ground at the site of the accident) to the Beijing 2008 olympics (underage gymnasts, etc.).</p>
<p>The authoritarian government style has benefits, like enforcing paid-plastic bags at super markets, but what the Chinese government says and believes are two (oftentimes conflicting) things.</p>
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		<title>By: euroflycars</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[euroflycars]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 16:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Note that the rug depicts plenty of flying animals!

(See my comment on Toyotas 600+ miles range battery).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note that the rug depicts plenty of flying animals!</p>
<p>(See my comment on Toyotas 600+ miles range battery).</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 12:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[nice :D]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nice <img src="http://cleantechnica.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
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		<title>By: Susan Kraemer</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/10/27/china-wont-ape-us-in-co2-levels-as-that-would-be-world-disaster/#comment-106394</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan Kraemer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 05:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Chinese rug looks like the art of an old and civilized nation. And it is about respect for nature and for human achievements like art that make up our civilization, that would be a shame to destroy. So it is a way of understanding such a grownup approach to preserving civilization on the part of the Chinese.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Chinese rug looks like the art of an old and civilized nation. And it is about respect for nature and for human achievements like art that make up our civilization, that would be a shame to destroy. So it is a way of understanding such a grownup approach to preserving civilization on the part of the Chinese.</p>
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		<title>By: Samuel Muldoon</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Samuel Muldoon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 04:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why did you include a picture of a rug?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why did you include a picture of a rug?</p>
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