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		<title>By: Debunking Romney&#039;s $90 Billion Lie - CleanTechnica</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Debunking Romney&#039;s $90 Billion Lie - CleanTechnica]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2012 21:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Post debunked some of these lies while live-blogging the debate last night, and it even used a CleanTechnica post to do so with one of them! The CleanTechnica link above concerns the fact that the clean energy [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Post debunked some of these lies while live-blogging the debate last night, and it even used a CleanTechnica post to do so with one of them! The CleanTechnica link above concerns the fact that the clean energy [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Romney Gets the Energy Facts Wrong in Wednesday’s Debate - CleanTechnica</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Romney Gets the Energy Facts Wrong in Wednesday’s Debate - CleanTechnica]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2012 21:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] the Washington Post debunked some of the lies while live-blogging the debate, and it even used a CleanTechnica post to do so with one of them &#8212; the same post NRDC Action Fund uses/links to below in the [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] the Washington Post debunked some of the lies while live-blogging the debate, and it even used a CleanTechnica post to do so with one of them &#8212; the same post NRDC Action Fund uses/links to below in the [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Footnoting the debate!</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Footnoting the debate!]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2012 03:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] to half of the clean-energy loan recipients have failed&#8211;at the end of 2011 the failure rate was just 1.4 percent. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] to half of the clean-energy loan recipients have failed&#8211;at the end of 2011 the failure rate was just 1.4 percent. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Clean Tech News Briefs October 25, 2011 &#124; EarthTechling</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/10/21/obama-doe-picked-more-energy-winners-than-silicon-valley-vcs/#comment-106228</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Clean Tech News Briefs October 25, 2011 &#124; EarthTechling]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2011 19:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] many of which lack steady electric power. Larger solar systems for hospitals are under way.Obama&#8217;s administration seems to be choosing better than venture capitalists. Cleantechnica takes a look at the clean energy &#8220;winners&#8221; and &#8220;losers&#8221; as [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] many of which lack steady electric power. Larger solar systems for hospitals are under way.Obama&#8217;s administration seems to be choosing better than venture capitalists. Cleantechnica takes a look at the clean energy &#8220;winners&#8221; and &#8220;losers&#8221; as [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Stuebi</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Stuebi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2011 18:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of my old (2004) presentations was cited in this posting, and several things have changed since then -- not least of which is that I now work in venture capital, so I have considerably more experience in understanding the VC arena.  More importantly, the venture capital business model has evolved -- or perhaps I should say fragmented -- wherein more venture capital firms have moved to later-stage deals with higher prospects for success.  The &quot;3 in 10&quot; statistic is mainly applicable for those VC firms that both (1) work in very early-stage deals, and (2) are seeking high risk/high return deals.  It&#039;s analogous to baseball:  a slugger has a lower batting average than a singles-hitter.  And, there are a lot more VCs willng to be singles-hitters these days, wherein maybe 5 or 6 deals &quot;succeed&quot; (i.e., return invested capital plus hopefully more), although this strategy minimizes the potential for a truly huge return potential afforded by the next Google or Facebook.  I agree with the commenter who noted that VCs typically pull the plug on losers relatively quickly, and hopefully before lots of capital are invested, so that on a weighted-average basis, more money is plowed into the winners and therefore the return to the fund&#039;s investors benefits more from the winners than is hurt by the losers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of my old (2004) presentations was cited in this posting, and several things have changed since then &#8212; not least of which is that I now work in venture capital, so I have considerably more experience in understanding the VC arena.  More importantly, the venture capital business model has evolved &#8212; or perhaps I should say fragmented &#8212; wherein more venture capital firms have moved to later-stage deals with higher prospects for success.  The &#8220;3 in 10&#8243; statistic is mainly applicable for those VC firms that both (1) work in very early-stage deals, and (2) are seeking high risk/high return deals.  It&#8217;s analogous to baseball:  a slugger has a lower batting average than a singles-hitter.  And, there are a lot more VCs willng to be singles-hitters these days, wherein maybe 5 or 6 deals &#8220;succeed&#8221; (i.e., return invested capital plus hopefully more), although this strategy minimizes the potential for a truly huge return potential afforded by the next Google or Facebook.  I agree with the commenter who noted that VCs typically pull the plug on losers relatively quickly, and hopefully before lots of capital are invested, so that on a weighted-average basis, more money is plowed into the winners and therefore the return to the fund&#8217;s investors benefits more from the winners than is hurt by the losers.</p>
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		<title>By: Wilmot McCutchen</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wilmot McCutchen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Oct 2011 23:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So why doesn&#039;t the 1% step up and fund these longshots, instead passing the buck to the government, which, as you rightly point out, is not supposed to be in this business?  Instead, we hear &quot;let them eat cake.&quot;  Let them find a venture capitalist who does not demand 10X in 2 years.  

But government can, as part of its existing duties, provide a database of cleantech technology assessment where new ideas can be vetted before big money is spent on a mistake.  That certainly would help constructive new ideas get funded by private capital.  To have been validated by the government would be a huge boost for cleantech proposals still in the design stage.  

I believe that sequestration (geological storage of CO2 in deep saline formations) is a serious mistake, not only a waste of most of the stimulus money but also a danger to fresh water supplies and to future generations from fugitive carbon dioxide plumes.  That&#039;s another function of letting the public be heard: preventing mistakes intended by government.

There is no way for a new or dissenting idea even to be considered by the government, let alone get vetted by the experts in the public sector through government-provided crowdsourcing. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So why doesn&#8217;t the 1% step up and fund these longshots, instead passing the buck to the government, which, as you rightly point out, is not supposed to be in this business?  Instead, we hear &#8220;let them eat cake.&#8221;  Let them find a venture capitalist who does not demand 10X in 2 years.  </p>
<p>But government can, as part of its existing duties, provide a database of cleantech technology assessment where new ideas can be vetted before big money is spent on a mistake.  That certainly would help constructive new ideas get funded by private capital.  To have been validated by the government would be a huge boost for cleantech proposals still in the design stage.  </p>
<p>I believe that sequestration (geological storage of CO2 in deep saline formations) is a serious mistake, not only a waste of most of the stimulus money but also a danger to fresh water supplies and to future generations from fugitive carbon dioxide plumes.  That&#8217;s another function of letting the public be heard: preventing mistakes intended by government.</p>
<p>There is no way for a new or dissenting idea even to be considered by the government, let alone get vetted by the experts in the public sector through government-provided crowdsourcing. </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Oct 2011 19:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The government is not in the investment business, at least in the traditional sense.

A very, very small portion of our budget is set aside to give promising &quot;long shot&quot; ideas a chance to succeed.  The idea is not to earn returns on the investment, there&#039;s not even an expectation that all the loans will be repaid.  Losses are expected.

But in exchange for some tiny, tiny losses we stand to create new industries in the US and create new, good jobs.  We, the tax payers, get paid back with new businesses and employees paying taxes.

Now, if you will do some deep thinking you&#039;ll realize that the government did not lose all that much with Solyndra.  

While the company was in operation a large portion of the money went to salaries and that reduced the unemployment payouts and increased tax revenue.  Much of the money spun its way through the economy as a factory was built and equipment purchased.  All of those activities reduced unemployment and increased tax revenues.

Sequestering CO2.  A long shot, but were it possible it could be a valuable way to reduce our carbon output while we build out a carbon-free grid.  If you look at how much we&#039;ve spent this last year recovering from extreme storms and floods it&#039;s not hard to see how much we could save in the future if we could avoid making this problem even worse.  This is what we&#039;re getting with 4% extra water in the atmosphere.  Imagine the flood damage we&#039;ll have when we raise that level to 6%  or higher.

Investing in cleaner energy won&#039;t return direct earnings to the government.  But it&#039;s likely to create very significant savings over time.  It&#039;s a different type of investing.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The government is not in the investment business, at least in the traditional sense.</p>
<p>A very, very small portion of our budget is set aside to give promising &#8220;long shot&#8221; ideas a chance to succeed.  The idea is not to earn returns on the investment, there&#8217;s not even an expectation that all the loans will be repaid.  Losses are expected.</p>
<p>But in exchange for some tiny, tiny losses we stand to create new industries in the US and create new, good jobs.  We, the tax payers, get paid back with new businesses and employees paying taxes.</p>
<p>Now, if you will do some deep thinking you&#8217;ll realize that the government did not lose all that much with Solyndra.  </p>
<p>While the company was in operation a large portion of the money went to salaries and that reduced the unemployment payouts and increased tax revenue.  Much of the money spun its way through the economy as a factory was built and equipment purchased.  All of those activities reduced unemployment and increased tax revenues.</p>
<p>Sequestering CO2.  A long shot, but were it possible it could be a valuable way to reduce our carbon output while we build out a carbon-free grid.  If you look at how much we&#8217;ve spent this last year recovering from extreme storms and floods it&#8217;s not hard to see how much we could save in the future if we could avoid making this problem even worse.  This is what we&#8217;re getting with 4% extra water in the atmosphere.  Imagine the flood damage we&#8217;ll have when we raise that level to 6%  or higher.</p>
<p>Investing in cleaner energy won&#8217;t return direct earnings to the government.  But it&#8217;s likely to create very significant savings over time.  It&#8217;s a different type of investing.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Oct 2011 17:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[VCs expect to write off most of their losers well before they burn $500 million. And they expect to make money on the winners. The government isn&#039;t charging a fee for its solar loan guarantees, so the best it can hope for is that the loans will be paid off on schedule, at no cost to the government. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>VCs expect to write off most of their losers well before they burn $500 million. And they expect to make money on the winners. The government isn&#8217;t charging a fee for its solar loan guarantees, so the best it can hope for is that the loans will be paid off on schedule, at no cost to the government. </p>
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		<title>By: Wilmot McCutchen</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/10/21/obama-doe-picked-more-energy-winners-than-silicon-valley-vcs/#comment-105910</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wilmot McCutchen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Oct 2011 14:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Silicon Valley VCs expect to get at least ten times their investment (10X) with an exit in 2 years.  Cleantech (other than metering and software) technology development will take longer than 2 years.  Some VCs, e.g. Peter Thiel and Vinod Khosla, take a longer view, but as a rule VCs want to set up their technology development target at such close range that even with their bad aim they can score enough of the time to stay in business.  Antlike blind diligence has its place, but how about some careful planning for industrial technology and real manufacturing in America, rather than marketing software and consumer products to an increasingly jobless and angry nation?  

Silicon Valley VCs grew up with and still operate with the dotcom VC business model, expecting to keep partying like it&#039;s 1999.  Patrons have always been necessary for technology, but because the VC herd conforms to this business model they can&#039;t act like patrons at all.  Their short time horizon precludes the long-term support that is needed, so because the 1% have shirked their noblesse oblige and offloaded the responsibility on government (which is not only broke but way in the hole) America is faltering in cleantech development while the VCs frolic on their yachts. 

DOE has no database of technology assessment, as the GAO discovered.  So picking winners and losers is not even possible for DOE.  NASA does technology assessment, so it&#039;s not a lot to expect of DOE.  Because of this lack of intelligence, we got boondoggles like sequestration and Solyndra.   ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Silicon Valley VCs expect to get at least ten times their investment (10X) with an exit in 2 years.  Cleantech (other than metering and software) technology development will take longer than 2 years.  Some VCs, e.g. Peter Thiel and Vinod Khosla, take a longer view, but as a rule VCs want to set up their technology development target at such close range that even with their bad aim they can score enough of the time to stay in business.  Antlike blind diligence has its place, but how about some careful planning for industrial technology and real manufacturing in America, rather than marketing software and consumer products to an increasingly jobless and angry nation?  </p>
<p>Silicon Valley VCs grew up with and still operate with the dotcom VC business model, expecting to keep partying like it&#8217;s 1999.  Patrons have always been necessary for technology, but because the VC herd conforms to this business model they can&#8217;t act like patrons at all.  Their short time horizon precludes the long-term support that is needed, so because the 1% have shirked their noblesse oblige and offloaded the responsibility on government (which is not only broke but way in the hole) America is faltering in cleantech development while the VCs frolic on their yachts. </p>
<p>DOE has no database of technology assessment, as the GAO discovered.  So picking winners and losers is not even possible for DOE.  NASA does technology assessment, so it&#8217;s not a lot to expect of DOE.  Because of this lack of intelligence, we got boondoggles like sequestration and Solyndra.   </p>
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