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		<title>By: Arctic Sea Ice May Disappear Within 4 Years, According To One Of The World&#8217;s Leading Sea Ice Researchers &#124; Planetsave</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/10/18/can-geoengineering-combat-climate-change/#comment-133290</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Arctic Sea Ice May Disappear Within 4 Years, According To One Of The World&#8217;s Leading Sea Ice Researchers &#124; Planetsave]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2012 23:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] as the various geoengineering ideas that have been put forward.&#8221;     &#160; Some of those geo-engineering ideas could have unintended effects worse than climate change itself, though &#8212; they remain a [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] as the various geoengineering ideas that have been put forward.&#8221;     &nbsp; Some of those geo-engineering ideas could have unintended effects worse than climate change itself, though &#8212; they remain a [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: White Roofs Not Good for Climate, Increase Global Warming (Shocker) &#124; CleanTechnica</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[White Roofs Not Good for Climate, Increase Global Warming (Shocker) &#124; CleanTechnica]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2011 21:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] nRelate.domain=&quot;cleantechnica.com&quot;;White roofs have been promoted as a simple, easy, &#8220;soft geoengineering&#8221; solution to help combat global warming for awhile now. It&#8217;s gotten the strong backing [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] nRelate.domain=&quot;cleantechnica.com&quot;;White roofs have been promoted as a simple, easy, &#8220;soft geoengineering&#8221; solution to help combat global warming for awhile now. It&#8217;s gotten the strong backing [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/10/18/can-geoengineering-combat-climate-change/#comment-105753</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 20:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow, look at that, even the simple, &quot;duh&quot; solution might be the opposite of a solution after all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, look at that, even the simple, &#8220;duh&#8221; solution might be the opposite of a solution after all.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/10/18/can-geoengineering-combat-climate-change/#comment-105747</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 16:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fresh info - just hit the web today...


&quot;One &quot;geoengineering&quot; proposal for reducing the impact of urban heat islands is to paint roofs worldwide a reflective white. Jacobson&#039;s computer modeling concluded that white roofs did indeed cool urban surfaces. However, they caused a net global warming, largely because they reduced cloudiness slightly by increasing the stability of the air, thereby reducing the vertical transport of moisture and energy to clouds. In Jacobson&#039;s modeling, the reduction in cloudiness allowed more sunlight to reach the surface.

The increased sunlight reflected back into the atmosphere by white roofs in turn increased absorption of light by dark pollutants such as black carbon, which further increased heating of the atmosphere.

Jacobson&#039;s study did not examine one potential benefit of white roofs – a reduced demand for electricity to run air conditioning in hot weather. But a recent study done at the National Center for Atmospheric Research showed that the decrease in air conditioning use, which occurs mostly in the summer, might be more than offset by increases in heating during winter months.

&quot;There does not seem to be a benefit from investing in white roofs,&quot; said Jacobson. &quot;The most important thing is to reduce emissions of the pollutants that contribute to global warming.&quot;&quot;

http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-10-urban-island-effect-small-global.html

Must read article on urban heat islands.  Jacobson and his group do some excellent work.  They&#039;re the ones who did the 100% renewables in 20 years study and the recent work on the contribution of black carbon/soot to Arctic melting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fresh info &#8211; just hit the web today&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;One &#8220;geoengineering&#8221; proposal for reducing the impact of urban heat islands is to paint roofs worldwide a reflective white. Jacobson&#8217;s computer modeling concluded that white roofs did indeed cool urban surfaces. However, they caused a net global warming, largely because they reduced cloudiness slightly by increasing the stability of the air, thereby reducing the vertical transport of moisture and energy to clouds. In Jacobson&#8217;s modeling, the reduction in cloudiness allowed more sunlight to reach the surface.</p>
<p>The increased sunlight reflected back into the atmosphere by white roofs in turn increased absorption of light by dark pollutants such as black carbon, which further increased heating of the atmosphere.</p>
<p>Jacobson&#8217;s study did not examine one potential benefit of white roofs – a reduced demand for electricity to run air conditioning in hot weather. But a recent study done at the National Center for Atmospheric Research showed that the decrease in air conditioning use, which occurs mostly in the summer, might be more than offset by increases in heating during winter months.</p>
<p>&#8220;There does not seem to be a benefit from investing in white roofs,&#8221; said Jacobson. &#8220;The most important thing is to reduce emissions of the pollutants that contribute to global warming.&#8221;&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-10-urban-island-effect-small-global.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-10-urban-island-effect-small-global.html</a></p>
<p>Must read article on urban heat islands.  Jacobson and his group do some excellent work.  They&#8217;re the ones who did the 100% renewables in 20 years study and the recent work on the contribution of black carbon/soot to Arctic melting.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/10/18/can-geoengineering-combat-climate-change/#comment-105738</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 13:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Silvio!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Silvio!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/10/18/can-geoengineering-combat-climate-change/#comment-105716</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 00:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks. Have heard about this here &amp; there. Seems to be having some adverse consequences.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks. Have heard about this here &amp; there. Seems to be having some adverse consequences.</p>
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		<title>By: Alden Moffatt</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alden Moffatt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 00:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Geoengineering experiments are already happening on a huge scale. Aluminum oxide is a fuel additive that makes jet fuel more energy fortified. Aluminum oxide is also a Wellsback material and Hughes Aircraft has a patent on stratospheric injection of Wellsbach materials to reduce sunlight. The patent was issued in 1991. Jet trails expand into huge clouds when the jet fuel contains aluminum oxide. Aluminum oxide is being found in extrordinary amounts in some areas where there is no reason for it, including in the snow fields of Mt. Shasta.
People who have watched these trails for a long time call the expanded contrails Chemtrails. It&#039;s a world wide experiment in full swing. Look up WXmod, radiative forcing, climate change remediation, stratospheric wellsbach injection, cirrus cloud seeding. The name changes often, but it&#039;s all geoengineering.
We should not be tampering with this cheap technology. Don&#039;t forget, for every action, there is a equal and opposite reaction. This is a Frankenstein project.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geoengineering experiments are already happening on a huge scale. Aluminum oxide is a fuel additive that makes jet fuel more energy fortified. Aluminum oxide is also a Wellsback material and Hughes Aircraft has a patent on stratospheric injection of Wellsbach materials to reduce sunlight. The patent was issued in 1991. Jet trails expand into huge clouds when the jet fuel contains aluminum oxide. Aluminum oxide is being found in extrordinary amounts in some areas where there is no reason for it, including in the snow fields of Mt. Shasta.<br />
People who have watched these trails for a long time call the expanded contrails Chemtrails. It&#8217;s a world wide experiment in full swing. Look up WXmod, radiative forcing, climate change remediation, stratospheric wellsbach injection, cirrus cloud seeding. The name changes often, but it&#8217;s all geoengineering.<br />
We should not be tampering with this cheap technology. Don&#8217;t forget, for every action, there is a equal and opposite reaction. This is a Frankenstein project.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/10/18/can-geoengineering-combat-climate-change/#comment-105712</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2011 22:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m in a similar boat -- you saw my note at the top of the piece. To elaborate, I&#039;m also concerned about what you said. Also, though, painting roofs white (with non-toxic paint) is a basic solution that we should be doing and I&#039;m sure there are numerous more we could come up with.

The grandiose schemes look ridiculously expensive and/or look like they&#039;d have serious side-effects we don&#039;t want.

Bottom line: nothing looks like it beats prevention.

But if we&#039;re going to be so dim, I hope someone with sense could think up some solutions that are not more harmful than helpful.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in a similar boat &#8212; you saw my note at the top of the piece. To elaborate, I&#8217;m also concerned about what you said. Also, though, painting roofs white (with non-toxic paint) is a basic solution that we should be doing and I&#8217;m sure there are numerous more we could come up with.</p>
<p>The grandiose schemes look ridiculously expensive and/or look like they&#8217;d have serious side-effects we don&#8217;t want.</p>
<p>Bottom line: nothing looks like it beats prevention.</p>
<p>But if we&#8217;re going to be so dim, I hope someone with sense could think up some solutions that are not more harmful than helpful.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2011 22:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good points.

Yes, the ocean is the big topic hardly anyone is talking about.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points.</p>
<p>Yes, the ocean is the big topic hardly anyone is talking about.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2011 17:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have an unformed opinion on geoengineering.

I somewhat think it a bad idea to pursue as it might give some the feeling that we can fix the climate problem when it gets bad, thus allowing us to continue doing little or nothing to prevent catastrophic climate change.

On the other hand I fear that we will do too little, too late.  If we don&#039;t start designing life boats now we might not have any available if we really need them.

Perhaps research into geoengineering with tell those not amply concerned about climate change that 1) there is no way to turn off the bad stuff if we trigger it, or 2) the cost of the best geoengineering solution will be extremely expensive.  Either of those outcomes might swing a few more people to the side of taking preventative measures now.

I&#039;d like to hear more arguments for and against.  And I&#039;d like to hear about any possible solutions which are affordable and largely non-destructive.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have an unformed opinion on geoengineering.</p>
<p>I somewhat think it a bad idea to pursue as it might give some the feeling that we can fix the climate problem when it gets bad, thus allowing us to continue doing little or nothing to prevent catastrophic climate change.</p>
<p>On the other hand I fear that we will do too little, too late.  If we don&#8217;t start designing life boats now we might not have any available if we really need them.</p>
<p>Perhaps research into geoengineering with tell those not amply concerned about climate change that 1) there is no way to turn off the bad stuff if we trigger it, or 2) the cost of the best geoengineering solution will be extremely expensive.  Either of those outcomes might swing a few more people to the side of taking preventative measures now.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to hear more arguments for and against.  And I&#8217;d like to hear about any possible solutions which are affordable and largely non-destructive.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee Norton</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/10/18/can-geoengineering-combat-climate-change/#comment-105698</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lee Norton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2011 16:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To date I have not seen any geoengineering that takes into account the acidification of our oceans. Ocean plankton accounts for about 70% of our oxygen and acidification is/will decimate the plankton&#039;s ability to produce oxygen.  3 billion years ago or so, earth&#039;s climate did not contain oxygen.  Mammals (us) need about 20% oxygen to survive and our planet has provided this over millions of years.  If the seas die, and they are dying, we will follow from the lack of oxygen. The problem is excess greenhouse gasses in our atmosphere such as CO2, CH4 and other man-made gasses.  We must reduce these.  We have the technology, we don&#039;t have the political will.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To date I have not seen any geoengineering that takes into account the acidification of our oceans. Ocean plankton accounts for about 70% of our oxygen and acidification is/will decimate the plankton&#8217;s ability to produce oxygen.  3 billion years ago or so, earth&#8217;s climate did not contain oxygen.  Mammals (us) need about 20% oxygen to survive and our planet has provided this over millions of years.  If the seas die, and they are dying, we will follow from the lack of oxygen. The problem is excess greenhouse gasses in our atmosphere such as CO2, CH4 and other man-made gasses.  We must reduce these.  We have the technology, we don&#8217;t have the political will.</p>
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