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		<title>By: Obama: Looking into China&#8217;s Solar Trade Practices (Video) &#124; CleanTechnica</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Obama: Looking into China&#8217;s Solar Trade Practices (Video) &#124; CleanTechnica]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2011 13:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] its solar panels in the U.S. (selling the panels for less than it costs to make them). While some in the industry (from the U.S.) have come out strongly against such claims and pointed out that a solar trade war [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] its solar panels in the U.S. (selling the panels for less than it costs to make them). While some in the industry (from the U.S.) have come out strongly against such claims and pointed out that a solar trade war [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Oct 2011 20:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I suspect we need to worry less about Chinese support for solar panel manufacturers.

The price of labor in China has risen.  Certainly no where close to that of US labor, but the rise along with the rise in shipping costs have eroded much of the financial advantage of manufacturing panels in China and shipping them here.  Labor accounts for no more than 10% of the cost of manufacturing solar panels.

I recently listened to an interview with a manufacturer who is opening a new plant in the US and he felt that he was giving away almost nothing by manufacturing here.  Not only the small difference labor costs and shipping costs, but also the ability to be closer to the product.  That means not having to maintain company personnel overseas and deal with their travel costs.  It also means having a shorter delay between manufacturing and sales, making cash flow issues easier.  It means making production changes faster if your R&amp;D people are close to the production lines.

Add to that the fact that much of the equipment used for panel manufacturing and much of the processed silicon comes from the US.  (That&#039;s basically where our excess trade balance in solar comes from.)  Being closer to the equipment manufacturing and supply sources is an advantage.

GE is opening a very large new thin film plant in Colorado which should be cranking out large quantities of panels in a year or so.  They&#039;ve figured out how to do it here.

Fact is, once prices drop a bit more demand is going to soar and a lot of companies spread across a lot of countries are going to be very busy keeping up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect we need to worry less about Chinese support for solar panel manufacturers.</p>
<p>The price of labor in China has risen.  Certainly no where close to that of US labor, but the rise along with the rise in shipping costs have eroded much of the financial advantage of manufacturing panels in China and shipping them here.  Labor accounts for no more than 10% of the cost of manufacturing solar panels.</p>
<p>I recently listened to an interview with a manufacturer who is opening a new plant in the US and he felt that he was giving away almost nothing by manufacturing here.  Not only the small difference labor costs and shipping costs, but also the ability to be closer to the product.  That means not having to maintain company personnel overseas and deal with their travel costs.  It also means having a shorter delay between manufacturing and sales, making cash flow issues easier.  It means making production changes faster if your R&amp;D people are close to the production lines.</p>
<p>Add to that the fact that much of the equipment used for panel manufacturing and much of the processed silicon comes from the US.  (That&#8217;s basically where our excess trade balance in solar comes from.)  Being closer to the equipment manufacturing and supply sources is an advantage.</p>
<p>GE is opening a very large new thin film plant in Colorado which should be cranking out large quantities of panels in a year or so.  They&#8217;ve figured out how to do it here.</p>
<p>Fact is, once prices drop a bit more demand is going to soar and a lot of companies spread across a lot of countries are going to be very busy keeping up.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Oct 2011 19:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the point very clearly is that, in order to remain at the top of the world in solar and remain a net exporter to the world and china (which we are today), we need to give solar proper policy support (that es equal to what fossil fuels got at this stage of their development and adjusts for social costs that businesses and individuals don&#039;t factor into prices enough).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the point very clearly is that, in order to remain at the top of the world in solar and remain a net exporter to the world and china (which we are today), we need to give solar proper policy support (that es equal to what fossil fuels got at this stage of their development and adjusts for social costs that businesses and individuals don&#8217;t factor into prices enough).</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Oct 2011 19:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s highly debatable. And even the U.S. Solar Energy Industry Association (which is the voice of U.S. solar businesses) hasn&#039;t said that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s highly debatable. And even the U.S. Solar Energy Industry Association (which is the voice of U.S. solar businesses) hasn&#8217;t said that.</p>
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		<title>By: Joecl</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joecl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Oct 2011 16:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The problem is Chinese PV manufacturers get unfair subsidy from the government.
It needs to be fixed]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is Chinese PV manufacturers get unfair subsidy from the government.<br />
It needs to be fixed</p>
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		<title>By: Anumakonda Jagadeesh</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anumakonda Jagadeesh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Oct 2011 13:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes. Renewables especially Wind and Solar are advancing in China at rapid speed.

Dr.A.Jagadeesh  Nellore(AP),India
E-mail: anumakonda.jagadeesh@gmail.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes. Renewables especially Wind and Solar are advancing in China at rapid speed.</p>
<p>Dr.A.Jagadeesh  Nellore(AP),India<br />
E-mail: <a href="mailto:anumakonda.jagadeesh@gmail.com">anumakonda.jagadeesh@gmail.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Today on China from the blogosphere October 16, 2011 &#124; China You</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Today on China from the blogosphere October 16, 2011 &#124; China You]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Oct 2011 17:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] China is Not a Problem, But a Help (When It Comes to Our Solar &#8230; Arno Harris of Recurrent Energy has a great post up on National Geographic&#039;s The Greet Energy Challenge that I think anyone interested in clean energy policy should read. Here&#039;s the intro: [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] China is Not a Problem, But a Help (When It Comes to Our Solar &#8230; Arno Harris of Recurrent Energy has a great post up on National Geographic&#039;s The Greet Energy Challenge that I think anyone interested in clean energy policy should read. Here&#039;s the intro: [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: give chants a chance</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[give chants a chance]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Oct 2011 16:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hope China sees the wisdom of sustainable practices.  I hope the western world sees the wisdom of long term answers.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope China sees the wisdom of sustainable practices.  I hope the western world sees the wisdom of long term answers.  </p>
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