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	<title>Comments on: WTF: What’s This Fracking?</title>
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		<title>By: Shaletalk</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/08/23/wtf-what%e2%80%99s-this-fracking/#comment-121357</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 14:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you have questions or concerns about shale gas exploration, please visit/follow (shaletalk.ca, facebook.com/shaletalk, twitter.com/shaletalk) and join the open discussion. Share your ideas and links to shale related topics with others, stay and ask a question to experts in the industry, and participate in the debate in an open environment. Join the discussion now at Shaletalk.ca. We hope to hear from you soon!</p>
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		<title>By: Fire, Water, Wind or Sunshine, a Watt is a Watt &#171; Bob Higgins</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/08/23/wtf-what%e2%80%99s-this-fracking/#comment-104094</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fire, Water, Wind or Sunshine, a Watt is a Watt &#171; Bob Higgins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Sep 2011 14:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] the ocean, drill miles into the earth, remove the mountaintops, destroy our water supplies through fracking, or scrape the very hide off the earth to warm our pop tarts or cool our [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] the ocean, drill miles into the earth, remove the mountaintops, destroy our water supplies through fracking, or scrape the very hide off the earth to warm our pop tarts or cool our [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: WTF: What&#8217;s This Fracking? &#171; Bob Higgins</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/08/23/wtf-what%e2%80%99s-this-fracking/#comment-103825</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[WTF: What&#8217;s This Fracking? &#171; Bob Higgins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Aug 2011 13:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Originally posted at Clean Technica: WTF: What’s This Fracking? [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Originally posted at Clean Technica: WTF: What’s This Fracking? [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Jmsthurber</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jmsthurber]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Aug 2011 00:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is no evidence that the &quot;fire-breathing&quot; faucet has anything to do with fracking.  It&#039;s almost certainly related to leakage from a shallow gas accumulation into the well.  This type of thing is not very uncommon in gas-prone areas.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no evidence that the &#8220;fire-breathing&#8221; faucet has anything to do with fracking.  It&#8217;s almost certainly related to leakage from a shallow gas accumulation into the well.  This type of thing is not very uncommon in gas-prone areas.</p>
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		<title>By: Fire, Water, Wind or Sunshine, a Watt is a Watt &#124; CleanTechnica</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/08/23/wtf-what%e2%80%99s-this-fracking/#comment-103563</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fire, Water, Wind or Sunshine, a Watt is a Watt &#124; CleanTechnica]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2011 20:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] the ocean, drill miles into the earth, remove the mountaintops, destroy our water supplies through fracking, or scrape the very hide off the earth to warm our pop tarts or cool our Jagerbombs.We also [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] the ocean, drill miles into the earth, remove the mountaintops, destroy our water supplies through fracking, or scrape the very hide off the earth to warm our pop tarts or cool our Jagerbombs.We also [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2011 17:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are several new pump-up storage facilities outside the US.  Inside the US there are some in the planning phase and should be built in the next few years.  

Thing is, we don&#039;t yet need storage in order to incorporate wind and solar into our grid supply.  Our grids could be 20% to 30% wind and solar before we would need storage.  We&#039;re just now passing the 3% level.

Bringing a large number of EVs and PHEVs to the grid will greatly increase that 20%/30% level.  Cars spend most of their lives parked.  Plugged in while parked means that there would be an incredible ability to charge during supply peaks.  And that means that we can install more renewables without having to store or dump peak production.

We&#039;re building new gas plants, not to backup renewables, but to replace the dirtiest coal plants and because NG is unreasonably inexpensive right now.

I suspect a lot of our NG plant construction occurs because of the type of people who run utility companies.  These &#039;old mossbacks&#039; are used to using heat to boil water to spin turbines and are not comfortable with new-fangled stuff like wind and solar.

That will change.

Natural gas prices are almost certainly doomed to rise.  We drilled way too many wells as money rushed into the endeavor.  That caused a surplus which dropped prices and we are now working our way through that surplus.

Additionally, we&#039;re starting to sell NG to other countries which are willing to pay more for our gas.  That will drive up price.

Finally, it&#039;s looking like the amount of NG we&#039;re going to get from wells is greatly overestimated.  There&#039;s likely to be far less gas produced for the money spent to drill the hole, so the gas is going to get sold for more.

 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are several new pump-up storage facilities outside the US.  Inside the US there are some in the planning phase and should be built in the next few years.  </p>
<p>Thing is, we don&#8217;t yet need storage in order to incorporate wind and solar into our grid supply.  Our grids could be 20% to 30% wind and solar before we would need storage.  We&#8217;re just now passing the 3% level.</p>
<p>Bringing a large number of EVs and PHEVs to the grid will greatly increase that 20%/30% level.  Cars spend most of their lives parked.  Plugged in while parked means that there would be an incredible ability to charge during supply peaks.  And that means that we can install more renewables without having to store or dump peak production.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re building new gas plants, not to backup renewables, but to replace the dirtiest coal plants and because NG is unreasonably inexpensive right now.</p>
<p>I suspect a lot of our NG plant construction occurs because of the type of people who run utility companies.  These &#8216;old mossbacks&#8217; are used to using heat to boil water to spin turbines and are not comfortable with new-fangled stuff like wind and solar.</p>
<p>That will change.</p>
<p>Natural gas prices are almost certainly doomed to rise.  We drilled way too many wells as money rushed into the endeavor.  That caused a surplus which dropped prices and we are now working our way through that surplus.</p>
<p>Additionally, we&#8217;re starting to sell NG to other countries which are willing to pay more for our gas.  That will drive up price.</p>
<p>Finally, it&#8217;s looking like the amount of NG we&#8217;re going to get from wells is greatly overestimated.  There&#8217;s likely to be far less gas produced for the money spent to drill the hole, so the gas is going to get sold for more.</p>
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		<title>By: 1moonveil2</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/08/23/wtf-what%e2%80%99s-this-fracking/#comment-103521</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2011 09:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I keep hearig great ideas about what &quot;can&quot; happen, all of them great. Germany is looking abandoned mines. There is biomass,etc. The problem is what IS happening and they ARE building new gas plants to pair with wind. At what point do we demand pairing renewable energy with other forms of controllable renewable energy. When?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I keep hearig great ideas about what &#8220;can&#8221; happen, all of them great. Germany is looking abandoned mines. There is biomass,etc. The problem is what IS happening and they ARE building new gas plants to pair with wind. At what point do we demand pairing renewable energy with other forms of controllable renewable energy. When?</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Higgins</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/08/23/wtf-what%e2%80%99s-this-fracking/#comment-103513</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob Higgins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2011 02:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We can store wind and solar energy by pumping water uphill in off peak hours and retrieving its energy in peak hours with the help of gravity. There are many solutions on the horizon, first, we have to honestly confront the problems, free of the addiction to fossil fuels.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We can store wind and solar energy by pumping water uphill in off peak hours and retrieving its energy in peak hours with the help of gravity. There are many solutions on the horizon, first, we have to honestly confront the problems, free of the addiction to fossil fuels.</p>
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		<title>By: 1moonveil2</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/08/23/wtf-what%e2%80%99s-this-fracking/#comment-103512</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[1moonveil2]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2011 02:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Unless they start storing the energy from wind, more gas plants will be required to synchronize the ups and downs of the grid with the ups and downs of wind. More gas plants means more fracking.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unless they start storing the energy from wind, more gas plants will be required to synchronize the ups and downs of the grid with the ups and downs of wind. More gas plants means more fracking.</p>
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