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		<title>By: A 200-Mile &#34;Date&#34; with a 2012 Mitsubishi i EV - CleanTechnica</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/08/15/byd-e6-and-the-ev-range-solution/#comment-128322</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A 200-Mile &#34;Date&#34; with a 2012 Mitsubishi i EV - CleanTechnica]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2012 23:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] vehicles can be made with large batteries. The new Tesla Model S caters to this demand, with batteries as large as 85 kWh. The big battery [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] vehicles can be made with large batteries. The new Tesla Model S caters to this demand, with batteries as large as 85 kWh. The big battery [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: China &#38; BYD Launch Largest Battery Energy Storage Station in World</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/08/15/byd-e6-and-the-ev-range-solution/#comment-110520</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[China &#38; BYD Launch Largest Battery Energy Storage Station in World]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2012 15:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Battery Energy Storage Array Housed at Zhangbei, China. Photo via Business Wire (CLICK TO ENLARGE)BYD, a large Chinese manufacturer of automobiles and rechargeable batteries, has teamed up with the [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Battery Energy Storage Array Housed at Zhangbei, China. Photo via Business Wire (CLICK TO ENLARGE)BYD, a large Chinese manufacturer of automobiles and rechargeable batteries, has teamed up with the [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Could YOU Drive an EV? &#8211; Part I: EV Profiler &#124; CleanTechnica</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/08/15/byd-e6-and-the-ev-range-solution/#comment-103524</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Could YOU Drive an EV? &#8211; Part I: EV Profiler &#124; CleanTechnica]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2011 10:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] of consumer acceptance of electric vehicles with many perspectives. I have previously considered several implications and solutions to EV range. This article introduces the EV profiler and its use in comparing available electric [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] of consumer acceptance of electric vehicles with many perspectives. I have previously considered several implications and solutions to EV range. This article introduces the EV profiler and its use in comparing available electric [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Breath on the Wind</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/08/15/byd-e6-and-the-ev-range-solution/#comment-103404</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 00:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Today the EV demographic has to be someone with private charging facilities and who can realisticly use a vehicle with a 100 mile range.  We have seen much data that suggest the range fits the usage of 80 to 90% of drivers (eliminating many rural drivers,) but how many of those also have a place to charge the vehicle.  This second requirement may tend to eliminate many urban apartment dwellers who could otherwise make good use of an electric vehicle.  We might spend a great deal of money building charging stations in rural America but could get more bang for the buck if we electrified roadways in urban areas.  It would reach more people and be a cheaper investment as well.    ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today the EV demographic has to be someone with private charging facilities and who can realisticly use a vehicle with a 100 mile range.  We have seen much data that suggest the range fits the usage of 80 to 90% of drivers (eliminating many rural drivers,) but how many of those also have a place to charge the vehicle.  This second requirement may tend to eliminate many urban apartment dwellers who could otherwise make good use of an electric vehicle.  We might spend a great deal of money building charging stations in rural America but could get more bang for the buck if we electrified roadways in urban areas.  It would reach more people and be a cheaper investment as well.    </p>
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		<title>By: Breath on the Wind</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/08/15/byd-e6-and-the-ev-range-solution/#comment-103402</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Breath on the Wind]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 00:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Each manufacturer seems to be taking a piece of the marketing pie.  I have an EV cost article planned but it would be somewhat complex with lots of numbers so I am circling for the time being.  The price of the E6 I have seen mentioned is about 35,000USD which would place it between the Leaf and the Volt.  http://www.plugincars.com/byd-e6/price  The Mitshubi Imiev is already priced at $27900 (below the Leaf) but it has less range.

I am somewhat skeptical of the Taxi data as we can expect that it was gathered in a crowded urban setting with little open road, highway speed driving.  The EPA has a way of significantly knocking the combined mileage.  The Tesla EPA sticker gives it only about 130 miles on a charge while real world performance seems to be coming in at 150 to 225 miles with the record around 350.  

Granted curb weight of the Leaf is closer to the E6 but the point was battery size to weight therefore the Roadster with its 53 KW-hr battery was the better example.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Each manufacturer seems to be taking a piece of the marketing pie.  I have an EV cost article planned but it would be somewhat complex with lots of numbers so I am circling for the time being.  The price of the E6 I have seen mentioned is about 35,000USD which would place it between the Leaf and the Volt.  <a href="http://www.plugincars.com/byd-e6/price" rel="nofollow">http://www.plugincars.com/byd-e6/price</a>  The Mitshubi Imiev is already priced at $27900 (below the Leaf) but it has less range.</p>
<p>I am somewhat skeptical of the Taxi data as we can expect that it was gathered in a crowded urban setting with little open road, highway speed driving.  The EPA has a way of significantly knocking the combined mileage.  The Tesla EPA sticker gives it only about 130 miles on a charge while real world performance seems to be coming in at 150 to 225 miles with the record around 350.  </p>
<p>Granted curb weight of the Leaf is closer to the E6 but the point was battery size to weight therefore the Roadster with its 53 KW-hr battery was the better example.  </p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/08/15/byd-e6-and-the-ev-range-solution/#comment-103265</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ben]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2011 03:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The LiFePo4 battery should provide much greater longivity. I am not a chemist. My guess is that the iron formulation in the battery chemistry may have something to do with this. As another example, the old nickel-iron battery used in the very old electric cars Edison worked on have know to last nearly &quot;forever&quot;. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The LiFePo4 battery should provide much greater longivity. I am not a chemist. My guess is that the iron formulation in the battery chemistry may have something to do with this. As another example, the old nickel-iron battery used in the very old electric cars Edison worked on have know to last nearly &#8220;forever&#8221;. </p>
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		<title>By: Lithium Ion Capacitor Has Long Way To Go &#124; CleanTechnica</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/08/15/byd-e6-and-the-ev-range-solution/#comment-103218</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lithium Ion Capacitor Has Long Way To Go &#124; CleanTechnica]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2011 21:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/08/15/byd-e6-and-the-ev-range-solution/#comment-103167</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Aug 2011 17:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We&#039;re creating &#039;electric corridors&#039; right now.  Level 3 rapid chargers are being installed along Interstate 5 in Oregon and Washington with the goal of having quick recharge points from Canada to Mexico in a few years.   

Similar installations are taking place in Arizona and Tennessee.  The idea is to build some short routes which local EV drivers can use for longer trips, work out any bugs that might be discovered, and then expand across the nation.

80% recharge in less than 20 minutes. 

Initial EV sales will likely be mostly to multiple car households and the small percentage of people who don&#039;t use personal cars for longer trips.  There will be plenty of demand to soak up whatever car companies can produce.

Then, either battery capacity will increase to give us lighter, affordable EVs or a large portion of buyers will be attracted to PHEVs.  Looking at Volt owners to date, they are driving 900-1,000 miles on one tank of fuel.  Clearly the GM/Toyota study which found that the majority of driving days were about 30 miles was correct.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re creating &#8216;electric corridors&#8217; right now.  Level 3 rapid chargers are being installed along Interstate 5 in Oregon and Washington with the goal of having quick recharge points from Canada to Mexico in a few years.   </p>
<p>Similar installations are taking place in Arizona and Tennessee.  The idea is to build some short routes which local EV drivers can use for longer trips, work out any bugs that might be discovered, and then expand across the nation.</p>
<p>80% recharge in less than 20 minutes. </p>
<p>Initial EV sales will likely be mostly to multiple car households and the small percentage of people who don&#8217;t use personal cars for longer trips.  There will be plenty of demand to soak up whatever car companies can produce.</p>
<p>Then, either battery capacity will increase to give us lighter, affordable EVs or a large portion of buyers will be attracted to PHEVs.  Looking at Volt owners to date, they are driving 900-1,000 miles on one tank of fuel.  Clearly the GM/Toyota study which found that the majority of driving days were about 30 miles was correct.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/08/15/byd-e6-and-the-ev-range-solution/#comment-103165</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Aug 2011 16:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[BYD gives buyers one more option.  The Leaf is more range limited but should be cheaper so for those who can get by with less range, pick the Leaf.  The Volt is not range limited but more expensive.  If the BYD can come to market with a 150+ mile range but cheaper than the Volt it should find friends.

Thing is, I&#039;ve seen price predictions which put the e6 below the Leaf price.  If that turns out to be true then we&#039;re going to see lots of e6s on the road. The Leaf, without subsidies, is already significantly less to drive over the lifetime of the vehicle than a comparable ICEV.

While the e6 may get only a 150 mile rating, data from a year&#039;s worth of e6  data while 50 of them served as city taxis found that range was more like 180 miles.  And that&#039;s will mostly rapid charging (which should give only an 80% recharge).  And in a climate which is both quite hot and quite cold during the year.

Curb weight for the Leaf is 3354 pounds.  That might be a more realistic comparison than the Tesla two-seater.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BYD gives buyers one more option.  The Leaf is more range limited but should be cheaper so for those who can get by with less range, pick the Leaf.  The Volt is not range limited but more expensive.  If the BYD can come to market with a 150+ mile range but cheaper than the Volt it should find friends.</p>
<p>Thing is, I&#8217;ve seen price predictions which put the e6 below the Leaf price.  If that turns out to be true then we&#8217;re going to see lots of e6s on the road. The Leaf, without subsidies, is already significantly less to drive over the lifetime of the vehicle than a comparable ICEV.</p>
<p>While the e6 may get only a 150 mile rating, data from a year&#8217;s worth of e6  data while 50 of them served as city taxis found that range was more like 180 miles.  And that&#8217;s will mostly rapid charging (which should give only an 80% recharge).  And in a climate which is both quite hot and quite cold during the year.</p>
<p>Curb weight for the Leaf is 3354 pounds.  That might be a more realistic comparison than the Tesla two-seater.</p>
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		<title>By: BYD E6 and the EV Range Solution &#124; CleanTechnica</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BYD E6 and the EV Range Solution &#124; CleanTechnica]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Aug 2011 14:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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