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		<title>By: Ian Eiloart</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/08/05/when-picking-solar-power-options-its-the-water-stupid/#comment-217091</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ian Eiloart]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2014 14:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can&#039;t see any of the images in this article.]]></description>
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		<title>By: Organic Rankine Cycle: The Evolution of Water &#124; CleanTechnica</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Organic Rankine Cycle: The Evolution of Water &#124; CleanTechnica]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2011 17:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] up between 760 and 920 gallons for every megawatt hour produced. (Editor&#8217;s Note: wind and solar PV use a ton less than other power generation options, though.)Every manufacturing or industrial power [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] up between 760 and 920 gallons for every megawatt hour produced. (Editor&#8217;s Note: wind and solar PV use a ton less than other power generation options, though.)Every manufacturing or industrial power [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: When Picking Solar Power Options, It’s the Water, Stupid on Ecocentric Blog &#124; Food, Water and Energy Issues</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[When Picking Solar Power Options, It’s the Water, Stupid on Ecocentric Blog &#124; Food, Water and Energy Issues]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2011 14:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ecobob</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/08/05/when-picking-solar-power-options-its-the-water-stupid/#comment-102821</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2011 15:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[very interesting. UK and Germany have poss desertec project, sea water could be desalinated in cooling process as very useful by-product near North Africa/Spain coastline. Spain and other countries have energy intensive desalination plants all over the place. I think PV prices have been falling substantially and both technologies are maturing. . . ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>very interesting. UK and Germany have poss desertec project, sea water could be desalinated in cooling process as very useful by-product near North Africa/Spain coastline. Spain and other countries have energy intensive desalination plants all over the place. I think PV prices have been falling substantially and both technologies are maturing. . . </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Aug 2011 17:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[John, you&#039;re using &#039;first generation&#039; power costs from these plants.  That could well be an inaccurate predictor of where prices will settle if/when the technology matures.  (Think about what has happened and is still happening with the cost of PV.)

Thermal might drop as low as PV is expected to drop.  Down with the cost of wind.

Then consider the value of electricity sold into afternoon/evening peak hour demand.  It might turn out that these plants would spend the sunny hours storing heat and then crushing gas peakers after the sun fades.  Those hours between when the sun weakens and before the night wind builds could provide an lucrative market for thermal solar, even with the added burden of air cooling....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, you&#8217;re using &#8216;first generation&#8217; power costs from these plants.  That could well be an inaccurate predictor of where prices will settle if/when the technology matures.  (Think about what has happened and is still happening with the cost of PV.)</p>
<p>Thermal might drop as low as PV is expected to drop.  Down with the cost of wind.</p>
<p>Then consider the value of electricity sold into afternoon/evening peak hour demand.  It might turn out that these plants would spend the sunny hours storing heat and then crushing gas peakers after the sun fades.  Those hours between when the sun weakens and before the night wind builds could provide an lucrative market for thermal solar, even with the added burden of air cooling&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2011 16:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thermophotovoltaics.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thermophotovoltaics.</p>
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		<title>By: When Picking Solar Power Options, It's the Water, Stupid : TreeHugger</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[When Picking Solar Power Options, It's the Water, Stupid : TreeHugger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2011 16:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] great post at CleanTechnica takes a closer look at solar power&#039;s water use, and the ups and downs of environmental cost versus [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] great post at CleanTechnica takes a closer look at solar power&#039;s water use, and the ups and downs of environmental cost versus [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Breath on the Wind</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Breath on the Wind]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2011 15:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very Interesting stats and a great article.  Water is not only a concern in Deserts but there are various predictions that suggest a world water shortage of fresh water by 2030:  http://cleantechnica.com/2011/08/03/water-shortage-critical-for-non-wind-power/  Water useage and energy storage is probably why Brightsource has just come out with a new commercial product that includes both:  http://cleantechnica.com/2011/08/05/that-other-solar-tower-technology/   

Photovoltaics don&#039;t require water use for cooling and the coverings can be made to be relatively &quot;self cleaning.&quot;  They also have the advantage of being modular.  As soon as a few are up the project can start producing power.  This must make funding much easier, but the efficiency of PV panels remains lower than CSP and to get the capacity factor higher, energy storage is required.  Many of the energy storage options require turning electricity back to heat and this leaves CSP with an efficiency advantage.  Long term, even seasonal storage may even be best served with chemical storage and MIT has a new method for converting light directly into chemical storage that may have a major future impact:  http://cleantechnica.com/2011/07/29/21st-century-stable-thermal-energy-storage/  

With so many good options this may leave plants like the Arizona solar tower ( http://cleantechnica.com/2011/08/01/giant-arizona-solar-tower-high-energy-with-hot-air/ ) continuing to search for funding.     ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very Interesting stats and a great article.  Water is not only a concern in Deserts but there are various predictions that suggest a world water shortage of fresh water by 2030:  <a href="http://cleantechnica.com/2011/08/03/water-shortage-critical-for-non-wind-power/" rel="nofollow">http://cleantechnica.com/2011/08/03/water-shortage-critical-for-non-wind-power/</a>  Water useage and energy storage is probably why Brightsource has just come out with a new commercial product that includes both:  <a href="http://cleantechnica.com/2011/08/05/that-other-solar-tower-technology/" rel="nofollow">http://cleantechnica.com/2011/08/05/that-other-solar-tower-technology/</a>   </p>
<p>Photovoltaics don&#8217;t require water use for cooling and the coverings can be made to be relatively &#8220;self cleaning.&#8221;  They also have the advantage of being modular.  As soon as a few are up the project can start producing power.  This must make funding much easier, but the efficiency of PV panels remains lower than CSP and to get the capacity factor higher, energy storage is required.  Many of the energy storage options require turning electricity back to heat and this leaves CSP with an efficiency advantage.  Long term, even seasonal storage may even be best served with chemical storage and MIT has a new method for converting light directly into chemical storage that may have a major future impact:  <a href="http://cleantechnica.com/2011/07/29/21st-century-stable-thermal-energy-storage/" rel="nofollow">http://cleantechnica.com/2011/07/29/21st-century-stable-thermal-energy-storage/</a>  </p>
<p>With so many good options this may leave plants like the Arizona solar tower ( <a href="http://cleantechnica.com/2011/08/01/giant-arizona-solar-tower-high-energy-with-hot-air/" rel="nofollow">http://cleantechnica.com/2011/08/01/giant-arizona-solar-tower-high-energy-with-hot-air/</a> ) continuing to search for funding.     </p>
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