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	<title>Comments on: The Equivalent of Fast-Charging EV Batteries</title>
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		<title>By: sola</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/07/19/the-equivalent-of-fast-charging-ev-batteries/#comment-102023</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2011 19:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[Yes, the article is mistaken, BP is not developing the system, it is in the final stages of commercialization, now they are starting to sell the service]

In my opinion BP&#039;s offer is not good enough:
- The Fluence EV is quite expensive for its comfort level (and in comparisson with its petrol counterpart). They shoud have used Nissan Leafs (a quickdrop variant)
- The electric mile price is way to expensive
- The service plans are very limited and inflexible

They should provide cheaper EVs and pay-as-you-go plans at the very minimum to become apealing. Time will tell.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[Yes, the article is mistaken, BP is not developing the system, it is in the final stages of commercialization, now they are starting to sell the service]</p>
<p>In my opinion BP&#8217;s offer is not good enough:<br />
&#8211; The Fluence EV is quite expensive for its comfort level (and in comparisson with its petrol counterpart). They shoud have used Nissan Leafs (a quickdrop variant)<br />
&#8211; The electric mile price is way to expensive<br />
&#8211; The service plans are very limited and inflexible</p>
<p>They should provide cheaper EVs and pay-as-you-go plans at the very minimum to become apealing. Time will tell.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2011 17:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Doesn&#039;t make sense to me.

(Better Place is not developing the system, they&#039;ve had their system operational for some time. They are currently installing it in Israel and Denmark.  But back to my argument...)

Swapping your battery for a charged one will not be cheap.  A swap station will need real estate, machinery, staff, and a supply of pre-charged batteries.  It&#039;s going to be far cheaper to plug in while parked at home/work/school.

We&#039;re likely to see 200 mile range EVs in the next very few years.  We already have Level 3 chargers which can give you an 80% recharge in less than 20 minutes.  For the occasional long trip one could drive 200 miles, stop 20 minutes, drive 160, stop 20, drive 160 for a 500 mile day with only two short stops.  If you take only a few long trips a year that extra (coffee/check your messages/pee) stop won&#039;t be as irritating as paying a bunch of extra money for a battery swap.

&quot;Better Place’s main package offers 3 years of driving at 25,000 miles per year — including the cost of the car — for $46,000.&quot;

A Nissan Leaf is $32,780 (before subsidies).  The 2012 Leaf has a built in charger which can fully charge the batteries in four hours.  A 240vac outlet should cost less than $2,000 to install.  The Leaf uses 0.35 (or less) kWh per mile.  25,000 miles worth of electricity (at the US average of $0.1275/kWh) would cost $1,116.  That&#039;s $35,896 compared to $46,000.

Now, if ranges never exceed 100 miles then battery swapping might make sense.  But betting against better batteries is not a risk I would take.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesn&#8217;t make sense to me.</p>
<p>(Better Place is not developing the system, they&#8217;ve had their system operational for some time. They are currently installing it in Israel and Denmark.  But back to my argument&#8230;)</p>
<p>Swapping your battery for a charged one will not be cheap.  A swap station will need real estate, machinery, staff, and a supply of pre-charged batteries.  It&#8217;s going to be far cheaper to plug in while parked at home/work/school.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re likely to see 200 mile range EVs in the next very few years.  We already have Level 3 chargers which can give you an 80% recharge in less than 20 minutes.  For the occasional long trip one could drive 200 miles, stop 20 minutes, drive 160, stop 20, drive 160 for a 500 mile day with only two short stops.  If you take only a few long trips a year that extra (coffee/check your messages/pee) stop won&#8217;t be as irritating as paying a bunch of extra money for a battery swap.</p>
<p>&#8220;Better Place’s main package offers 3 years of driving at 25,000 miles per year — including the cost of the car — for $46,000.&#8221;</p>
<p>A Nissan Leaf is $32,780 (before subsidies).  The 2012 Leaf has a built in charger which can fully charge the batteries in four hours.  A 240vac outlet should cost less than $2,000 to install.  The Leaf uses 0.35 (or less) kWh per mile.  25,000 miles worth of electricity (at the US average of $0.1275/kWh) would cost $1,116.  That&#8217;s $35,896 compared to $46,000.</p>
<p>Now, if ranges never exceed 100 miles then battery swapping might make sense.  But betting against better batteries is not a risk I would take.</p>
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