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		<title>By: Anumakonda Jagadeesh</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/06/27/hybrid-monocrystalline-and-multicrystalline-solar-cells/#comment-101522</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anumakonda Jagadeesh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2011 04:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good post. Everyday news appears that solar cell efficiency goes up. Gone were the days when people used to comment that,&quot; The amount of Energy that goes into the production of the solar cells cannot be recovered in its life time&quot;.

More over the material used in solar panels aluminium,glass etc., is all energy intensive.

Dr.A.Jagadeesh  Nellore(AP),India
Wind Energy Expert
E-mail: anumakonda.jagadeesh@gmail.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post. Everyday news appears that solar cell efficiency goes up. Gone were the days when people used to comment that,&#8221; The amount of Energy that goes into the production of the solar cells cannot be recovered in its life time&#8221;.</p>
<p>More over the material used in solar panels aluminium,glass etc., is all energy intensive.</p>
<p>Dr.A.Jagadeesh  Nellore(AP),India<br />
Wind Energy Expert<br />
E-mail: <a href="mailto:anumakonda.jagadeesh@gmail.com">anumakonda.jagadeesh@gmail.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/06/27/hybrid-monocrystalline-and-multicrystalline-solar-cells/#comment-101483</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nicholas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 02:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, I edited it to clarify that it is not usually that high and that is for monocrystalline, and multicrystalline is taking over. I also added that the new energy payback time. If you have any other questions or suggestions, feel free to ask. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I edited it to clarify that it is not usually that high and that is for monocrystalline, and multicrystalline is taking over. I also added that the new energy payback time. If you have any other questions or suggestions, feel free to ask. <img src="http://cleantechnica.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/06/27/hybrid-monocrystalline-and-multicrystalline-solar-cells/#comment-101488</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 01:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Where do you get your &quot;15 years maximum&quot;?  From way back in history?

If so, what does that have to do with panel manufacturing today?  Current energy payback for monocrystalline is two years.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where do you get your &#8220;15 years maximum&#8221;?  From way back in history?</p>
<p>If so, what does that have to do with panel manufacturing today?  Current energy payback for monocrystalline is two years.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/06/27/hybrid-monocrystalline-and-multicrystalline-solar-cells/#comment-101487</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 01:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You might want to do a little reading and see how that &quot;we&#039;ll go it alone&quot; stuff worked out for India.

Then spend a little time an make a list of all the American companies which would fail as they are cut off from the world&#039;s markets.  Sharpen a few pencils, the list will be long.

(You don&#039;t think we can stop the inflow of other countries&#039; goods and not have them do the same to us, do you?)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might want to do a little reading and see how that &#8220;we&#8217;ll go it alone&#8221; stuff worked out for India.</p>
<p>Then spend a little time an make a list of all the American companies which would fail as they are cut off from the world&#8217;s markets.  Sharpen a few pencils, the list will be long.</p>
<p>(You don&#8217;t think we can stop the inflow of other countries&#8217; goods and not have them do the same to us, do you?)</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2011 19:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Something I just ran across...

&quot;During 2010, China’s PV industry grew at a breakneck pace based on strong demand. Production of PV cells reached 13 GW, surging 173 percent over 2009, according to statistics from PhotonInternational. However, in 2011 several main end markets including Germany, Spain and Italy reduced their subsidies to the sector, which, in turn, led to a decrease in market demand followed by a drop in price. 

Prices for PV modules held steady at EUR1.50-2.00 (US$2.00-2.70) per watt last year, but then plunged in the beginning of 2011. The average price has now fallen below US$0.90 per watt, and downstream manufacturers are still pushing for further decreases, according to a survey by Energy Trend. 

Industry players are expected to see fiercer competition this year, which will mainly be demonstrated by price cutting, said industry insiders. The trough in the pricing has given small- and mid-sized PV firms a fatal blow, and the latest data shows gross margins for those firms have recently dropped to less than 10 percent from nearly 20 percent. The reshuffle of the players in China’s PV sector is seen as inevitable.&quot;

PV selling below US$0.90 per watt!

This is most outstanding.  It suggests that we are close to $2/watt installed (5kW and larger arrays).  

When we hit $2/watt installed we&#039;re making electricity for less than a dime per kWh in sunny places.  And after capital costs are recovered we&#039;re making electricity for almost nothing per kWh for the next few decades.

A dime is cheaper than the &#039;all in&#039; price of electricity from both nuclear and coal.  With none of the problems both bring to the table.


http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2011/06/chinas-pv-industry-expected-to-enter-into-long-term-price-war]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something I just ran across&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;During 2010, China’s PV industry grew at a breakneck pace based on strong demand. Production of PV cells reached 13 GW, surging 173 percent over 2009, according to statistics from PhotonInternational. However, in 2011 several main end markets including Germany, Spain and Italy reduced their subsidies to the sector, which, in turn, led to a decrease in market demand followed by a drop in price. </p>
<p>Prices for PV modules held steady at EUR1.50-2.00 (US$2.00-2.70) per watt last year, but then plunged in the beginning of 2011. The average price has now fallen below US$0.90 per watt, and downstream manufacturers are still pushing for further decreases, according to a survey by Energy Trend. </p>
<p>Industry players are expected to see fiercer competition this year, which will mainly be demonstrated by price cutting, said industry insiders. The trough in the pricing has given small- and mid-sized PV firms a fatal blow, and the latest data shows gross margins for those firms have recently dropped to less than 10 percent from nearly 20 percent. The reshuffle of the players in China’s PV sector is seen as inevitable.&#8221;</p>
<p>PV selling below US$0.90 per watt!</p>
<p>This is most outstanding.  It suggests that we are close to $2/watt installed (5kW and larger arrays).  </p>
<p>When we hit $2/watt installed we&#8217;re making electricity for less than a dime per kWh in sunny places.  And after capital costs are recovered we&#8217;re making electricity for almost nothing per kWh for the next few decades.</p>
<p>A dime is cheaper than the &#8216;all in&#8217; price of electricity from both nuclear and coal.  With none of the problems both bring to the table.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2011/06/chinas-pv-industry-expected-to-enter-into-long-term-price-war" rel="nofollow">http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2011/06/chinas-pv-industry-expected-to-enter-into-long-term-price-war</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/06/27/hybrid-monocrystalline-and-multicrystalline-solar-cells/#comment-101480</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2011 19:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m joining the chorus crying &quot;foul&quot; on part of this piece.

&quot;Research conducted by CrystalClear, a private company, has shown that it takes two years for a PV system with monocrystalline solar cells to make as much energy as was required to manufacture the entire PV system. Researchers also calculated the energy payback for polycrystalline cells and polycrystalline solar cells manufactured by the ribbon technique. The calculations estimated that it took 1.7 years for a polycrystalline system to reach this point and 1.5 years for modules made from ribbon polycrystalline PVs. A previous study showed that thin film modules, which require even less energy to produce, achieved energy payback in one year.&quot;

Read more: http://www.motherearthnews.com/energy-matters/dispelling-the-myths-of-solar-electricity-energy-payback.aspx#ixzz1QbGyxhfz


It sounds like part of this article was copied from a nuclear energy shill site. 



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m joining the chorus crying &#8220;foul&#8221; on part of this piece.</p>
<p>&#8220;Research conducted by CrystalClear, a private company, has shown that it takes two years for a PV system with monocrystalline solar cells to make as much energy as was required to manufacture the entire PV system. Researchers also calculated the energy payback for polycrystalline cells and polycrystalline solar cells manufactured by the ribbon technique. The calculations estimated that it took 1.7 years for a polycrystalline system to reach this point and 1.5 years for modules made from ribbon polycrystalline PVs. A previous study showed that thin film modules, which require even less energy to produce, achieved energy payback in one year.&#8221;</p>
<p>Read more: <a href="http://www.motherearthnews.com/energy-matters/dispelling-the-myths-of-solar-electricity-energy-payback.aspx#ixzz1QbGyxhfz" rel="nofollow">http://www.motherearthnews.com/energy-matters/dispelling-the-myths-of-solar-electricity-energy-payback.aspx#ixzz1QbGyxhfz</a></p>
<p>It sounds like part of this article was copied from a nuclear energy shill site. </p>
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		<title>By: tibi stibi</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/06/27/hybrid-monocrystalline-and-multicrystalline-solar-cells/#comment-101458</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tibi stibi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2011 07:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[like gnana says 15 years seems not right. how can i buy a solar panel for a price which is lower than 15 years of energy?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>like gnana says 15 years seems not right. how can i buy a solar panel for a price which is lower than 15 years of energy?</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Bernal</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Bernal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2011 06:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ya, ya, ya, China this and China that...
Our so called &quot;leaders&quot; need to be fired... everyone of them!
We need to enact Trade tariffs on all foreign goods (except the panels!), no resource wars, and spend ALL the money on research for RE and its storage. We can&#039;t have dark inefficient panels, though... they emit too much infrared if used to power planetary civilizations (but still must be better than burning FF&#039;s).

Imagine what a panel would look like if it was only as dark as the wavelengths it converted over... If it was, say, 35% eff, then it would appear 65% &quot;light&quot; in color, perhaps like a smoked mirror? And would not be hotter than the ground it sits on. These are the kinds of innovations we need before solar can continue its exponential climb into energy provider #1 (in about 35 years at present rate of growth).

We also have to spend these above noted senseless and wasteful monies on nothing but battery/supercapacitor tech (and their robotic mass manufacture). Batteries are the MOST efficient way to store energy, now it is up to us to DEMAND the research,,, hundreds of $billions! Otherwise we will fall victim to a PAST that is bent on fossil fueled depletion in an overheated world -:)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ya, ya, ya, China this and China that&#8230;<br />
Our so called &#8220;leaders&#8221; need to be fired&#8230; everyone of them!<br />
We need to enact Trade tariffs on all foreign goods (except the panels!), no resource wars, and spend ALL the money on research for RE and its storage. We can&#8217;t have dark inefficient panels, though&#8230; they emit too much infrared if used to power planetary civilizations (but still must be better than burning FF&#8217;s).</p>
<p>Imagine what a panel would look like if it was only as dark as the wavelengths it converted over&#8230; If it was, say, 35% eff, then it would appear 65% &#8220;light&#8221; in color, perhaps like a smoked mirror? And would not be hotter than the ground it sits on. These are the kinds of innovations we need before solar can continue its exponential climb into energy provider #1 (in about 35 years at present rate of growth).</p>
<p>We also have to spend these above noted senseless and wasteful monies on nothing but battery/supercapacitor tech (and their robotic mass manufacture). Batteries are the MOST efficient way to store energy, now it is up to us to DEMAND the research,,, hundreds of $billions! Otherwise we will fall victim to a PAST that is bent on fossil fueled depletion in an overheated world -:)</p>
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		<title>By: Gnana</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/06/27/hybrid-monocrystalline-and-multicrystalline-solar-cells/#comment-101452</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gnana]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2011 03:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The figure of that it will take 15 years to generate the electricity used to make the Solar cell is a very high figure. Recent figures are like 1 to 2 years Energy Pay back. Please check the latest figures and update. Thinfim printing technique makes this energy requirement further less, ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The figure of that it will take 15 years to generate the electricity used to make the Solar cell is a very high figure. Recent figures are like 1 to 2 years Energy Pay back. Please check the latest figures and update. Thinfim printing technique makes this energy requirement further less, </p>
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