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		<title>By: Foldable Canoe for Survivalists (and others) &#124; CleanTechnica</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/06/23/nuclear-power-flooding-nuclear-power-getting-less-reliable/#comment-102935</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Foldable Canoe for Survivalists (and others) &#124; CleanTechnica]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2011 10:44:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] 10, 2011 in Boats, Consumer Technology, New Technology, Products  /**/You have been hearing about rivers flooding and oceans rising. You are wondering about economic collapse, members of congress legislating the [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] 10, 2011 in Boats, Consumer Technology, New Technology, Products  /**/You have been hearing about rivers flooding and oceans rising. You are wondering about economic collapse, members of congress legislating the [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Giant $1.4 Billion Solar Project Will Almost Double Total U.S. Capacity from 2010 &#124; CleanTechnica: Cleantech innovation news and views</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/06/23/nuclear-power-flooding-nuclear-power-getting-less-reliable/#comment-101865</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Giant $1.4 Billion Solar Project Will Almost Double Total U.S. Capacity from 2010 &#124; CleanTechnica: Cleantech innovation news and views]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2011 22:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] on the roof. The grid model also offers a more attractive degree of energy security compared to large centralized power plants, which are vulnerable to natural disasters and other catastrophic circumstances.Project AmpThe Department of Energy is relying on some heavy [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] on the roof. The grid model also offers a more attractive degree of energy security compared to large centralized power plants, which are vulnerable to natural disasters and other catastrophic circumstances.Project AmpThe Department of Energy is relying on some heavy [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: California Ships 100% Solar Powered Rice to Japan &#8211; CleanTechnica: Cleantech innovation news and views</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/06/23/nuclear-power-flooding-nuclear-power-getting-less-reliable/#comment-101397</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[California Ships 100% Solar Powered Rice to Japan &#8211; CleanTechnica: Cleantech innovation news and views]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jun 2011 15:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] evolving clean energy strategy in the wake of the Fukushima nuclear disaster. Considering that the U.S. nuclear industry is also vulnerable to flooding, the solar rice shipment seems designed to prove that continued growth in nuclear energy is not [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] evolving clean energy strategy in the wake of the Fukushima nuclear disaster. Considering that the U.S. nuclear industry is also vulnerable to flooding, the solar rice shipment seems designed to prove that continued growth in nuclear energy is not [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jun 2011 05:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the info.  I wonder how many years it would take to determine if this heavy springtime melt is going to regularly oversupply the area and create a need for more transmission?

It could just be the additional 4% of water in the atmosphere along with La Nina weather patterns which would make it an infrequent event.  We should have a much better idea in a couple of years when the the next El Nino shows up.  If snowpack is huge during neutral and El Nino years then I&#039;d expect more transmission rather than curtailment.

If it happens once every 5-10 years we&#039;ll likely just let the turbines sit idle until river flow is down.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the info.  I wonder how many years it would take to determine if this heavy springtime melt is going to regularly oversupply the area and create a need for more transmission?</p>
<p>It could just be the additional 4% of water in the atmosphere along with La Nina weather patterns which would make it an infrequent event.  We should have a much better idea in a couple of years when the the next El Nino shows up.  If snowpack is huge during neutral and El Nino years then I&#8217;d expect more transmission rather than curtailment.</p>
<p>If it happens once every 5-10 years we&#8217;ll likely just let the turbines sit idle until river flow is down.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jun 2011 05:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[According to Wikipedia, the HVDC line can carry 3.1 GW; the Bonneville Power Authority already has 3.5 GW of wind capacity installed. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to Wikipedia, the HVDC line can carry 3.1 GW; the Bonneville Power Authority already has 3.5 GW of wind capacity installed. </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2011 22:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My bad.  From the way they were curtailing wind I assumed they weren&#039;t connected.

So the problem is an inadequate connection?  A larger wire needed?  Better connections to the wind farms?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My bad.  From the way they were curtailing wind I assumed they weren&#8217;t connected.</p>
<p>So the problem is an inadequate connection?  A larger wire needed?  Better connections to the wind farms?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/06/23/nuclear-power-flooding-nuclear-power-getting-less-reliable/#comment-101341</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2011 22:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ &quot;... it may be a good idea to hook Bonneville to the Pacific Intertie and sell some of that power southward.&quot;

Was this supposed to be a joke? The Pacific Intertie was built to move power from Bonneville to LA.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> &#8220;&#8230; it may be a good idea to hook Bonneville to the Pacific Intertie and sell some of that power southward.&#8221;</p>
<p>Was this supposed to be a joke? The Pacific Intertie was built to move power from Bonneville to LA.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 22:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[
	From the survey I mentioned...


	
    
        
        
    


&quot;94% of Americans think it is important for the nation to
 develop and use solar energy. This was consistent across all political 
party affiliations.80% of Americans agree that Congress should consider reallocating federal subsidies from fossil fuels to solar.Over half (51%) the country would choose to work in the solar industry if they were to start working in renewable energyNearly half (49%) of Americans considering solar for 
their home or business plan to make a decision to adopt solar in less 
than one yearNearly half (49%) of Americans are willing to pay more for clean, reliable solar energy

        
October 11, 2010 (Los Angeles) – On the eve of Solar Power 
International, North America’s largest solar energy trade show, a new 
national poll shows that the vast majority of Americans overwhelmingly 
support development and funding of solar energy, and their support for 
solar has remained consistent over the last three years. These and other
 findings were reported today in the 2010 SCHOTT Solar Barometer(TM), a 
nationally representative survey conducted by independent polling firm 
Kelton Research.&quot;

http://www.seia.org/cs/news_detail?pressrelease.id=1061



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>	From the survey I mentioned&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;94% of Americans think it is important for the nation to<br />
 develop and use solar energy. This was consistent across all political<br />
party affiliations.80% of Americans agree that Congress should consider reallocating federal subsidies from fossil fuels to solar.Over half (51%) the country would choose to work in the solar industry if they were to start working in renewable energyNearly half (49%) of Americans considering solar for<br />
their home or business plan to make a decision to adopt solar in less<br />
than one yearNearly half (49%) of Americans are willing to pay more for clean, reliable solar energy</p>
<p>October 11, 2010 (Los Angeles) – On the eve of Solar Power<br />
International, North America’s largest solar energy trade show, a new<br />
national poll shows that the vast majority of Americans overwhelmingly<br />
support development and funding of solar energy, and their support for<br />
solar has remained consistent over the last three years. These and other<br />
 findings were reported today in the 2010 SCHOTT Solar Barometer(TM), a<br />
nationally representative survey conducted by independent polling firm<br />
Kelton Research.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.seia.org/cs/news_detail?pressrelease.id=1061" rel="nofollow">http://www.seia.org/cs/news_detail?pressrelease.id=1061</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/06/23/nuclear-power-flooding-nuclear-power-getting-less-reliable/#comment-101284</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 22:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That opposition is crumbling.  Lately I&#039;ve seen polls which show that over 70% of Americans want the government to do something about climate change, even if it costs money.  And over 90% of Americans being in favor of solar power.

We&#039;re at the point where solar power is cheaper than gas peaker power in sunny places.  Conservatives are very concerned about things that cost them money.  As the price of solar continues to drop that opposition will wash away.

Solar is only months away from $1/watt.  That means $2/watt installed in 5kW and larger arrays.  And that means ~$0.10/kWh electricity.  

And that ten cents will not increase as will the cost of natural gas plant electricity once we burn through this temporary glut of shale gas and the price climbs back to where it should be.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That opposition is crumbling.  Lately I&#8217;ve seen polls which show that over 70% of Americans want the government to do something about climate change, even if it costs money.  And over 90% of Americans being in favor of solar power.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re at the point where solar power is cheaper than gas peaker power in sunny places.  Conservatives are very concerned about things that cost them money.  As the price of solar continues to drop that opposition will wash away.</p>
<p>Solar is only months away from $1/watt.  That means $2/watt installed in 5kW and larger arrays.  And that means ~$0.10/kWh electricity.  </p>
<p>And that ten cents will not increase as will the cost of natural gas plant electricity once we burn through this temporary glut of shale gas and the price climbs back to where it should be.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 22:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;A source of power negatively correlated to demand could be described as what?&quot;

A marketable commodity.

If climate change is going to bring us higher snowpack in the Pacific Northwest on a regular basis then it may be a good idea to hook Bonneville to the Pacific Intertie and sell some of that power southward.

And before long the Western grid will be tied to the Eastern and Texas grids, so that power can be sold to anywhere in the lower 48 and most of Canada, even parts of Mexico.  Somewhere on the continent there&#039;s a coal plant that can shut down or gas turbines that can stop spinning while all that nice fuel-free wind power gets used.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A source of power negatively correlated to demand could be described as what?&#8221;</p>
<p>A marketable commodity.</p>
<p>If climate change is going to bring us higher snowpack in the Pacific Northwest on a regular basis then it may be a good idea to hook Bonneville to the Pacific Intertie and sell some of that power southward.</p>
<p>And before long the Western grid will be tied to the Eastern and Texas grids, so that power can be sold to anywhere in the lower 48 and most of Canada, even parts of Mexico.  Somewhere on the continent there&#8217;s a coal plant that can shut down or gas turbines that can stop spinning while all that nice fuel-free wind power gets used.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 20:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That might be true but we&#039;re dealing with an intense, conservative opposition.  Solar panels practically have to walk on water to win.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That might be true but we&#8217;re dealing with an intense, conservative opposition.  Solar panels practically have to walk on water to win.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 20:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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Too much nuclear has been built on faulty assumptions.  In Japan it was assumed that a tsunami would never reach their reactors (even though at least one had gotten that high in the past.

If France and the US  a lot of nuclear was built with the assumption that massive heat waves wouldn&#039;t hit and cooling water would be available.

&quot;On July 8, 2010, as the temperature in downtown Decatur, Alabama climbed to a sweltering 98°F, operators at the Browns Ferry
 nuclear power plant a few miles outside of town realized they had only 
one option to avoid violating their environmental permit: turn down the 
reactors. 

For days, the Tennessee Valley Authority
 (TVA), which owns the nuclear plant, had kept a watchful eye on the 
rising mercury, knowing that more heat outside could spell trouble 
inside the facility. When the Tennessee River, whose adjacent waters are
 used to cool the reactors, finally hit 90°F and forced Browns Ferry to 
run at only half of their regular power output, the TVA hoped the hot 
spell would last just a few days.

	

Eight weeks of unrelenting heat later, the plant was still running at half its capacity&quot;

http://www.climatecentral.org/news/in-tennessee-heat-waves-frustrate-nuclear-power/

&quot;France is expecting to have an epic heat wave this summer, which, due to
 a combination of political and environmental factors, will have some 
serious repercussions for the political scene in Paris.

Spring 
2011 has been exceptionally hot in France. In fact, has been the hottest
 in 100 years. Furthermore, it has been the driest spring in the last 50
 years and therefore this summer is expected to be one of the hottest on
 record and that includes the 2005 and 2003 heat waves which were quite 
serious for France. In 2003 heat wave in France was exceptionally 
severe, with the French minister of health issuing a report that said 
that about 15,000 people may have died as result of increased 
temperatures.... particularly important for France during a drought is because 24 of its
 58 nuclear reactors do not have cooling towers and purely depend on the
 flow of river water to cool the reactor cores. What this means is that 
if the level of water in rivers drops, it means that some of the 
reactors may have to be shut down especially those on the Rhone River in
 southwest France, where temperatures are expected to be particularly 
high due to its geographical location.&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too much nuclear has been built on faulty assumptions.  In Japan it was assumed that a tsunami would never reach their reactors (even though at least one had gotten that high in the past.</p>
<p>If France and the US  a lot of nuclear was built with the assumption that massive heat waves wouldn&#8217;t hit and cooling water would be available.</p>
<p>&#8220;On July 8, 2010, as the temperature in downtown Decatur, Alabama climbed to a sweltering 98°F, operators at the Browns Ferry<br />
 nuclear power plant a few miles outside of town realized they had only<br />
one option to avoid violating their environmental permit: turn down the<br />
reactors. </p>
<p>For days, the Tennessee Valley Authority<br />
 (TVA), which owns the nuclear plant, had kept a watchful eye on the<br />
rising mercury, knowing that more heat outside could spell trouble<br />
inside the facility. When the Tennessee River, whose adjacent waters are<br />
 used to cool the reactors, finally hit 90°F and forced Browns Ferry to<br />
run at only half of their regular power output, the TVA hoped the hot<br />
spell would last just a few days.</p>
<p>Eight weeks of unrelenting heat later, the plant was still running at half its capacity&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.climatecentral.org/news/in-tennessee-heat-waves-frustrate-nuclear-power/" rel="nofollow">http://www.climatecentral.org/news/in-tennessee-heat-waves-frustrate-nuclear-power/</a></p>
<p>&#8220;France is expecting to have an epic heat wave this summer, which, due to<br />
 a combination of political and environmental factors, will have some<br />
serious repercussions for the political scene in Paris.</p>
<p>Spring<br />
2011 has been exceptionally hot in France. In fact, has been the hottest<br />
 in 100 years. Furthermore, it has been the driest spring in the last 50<br />
 years and therefore this summer is expected to be one of the hottest on<br />
 record and that includes the 2005 and 2003 heat waves which were quite<br />
serious for France. In 2003 heat wave in France was exceptionally<br />
severe, with the French minister of health issuing a report that said<br />
that about 15,000 people may have died as result of increased<br />
temperatures&#8230;. particularly important for France during a drought is because 24 of its<br />
 58 nuclear reactors do not have cooling towers and purely depend on the<br />
 flow of river water to cool the reactor cores. What this means is that<br />
if the level of water in rivers drops, it means that some of the<br />
reactors may have to be shut down especially those on the Rhone River in<br />
 southwest France, where temperatures are expected to be particularly<br />
high due to its geographical location.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 20:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[done &amp; done :D

i actually thought i put something in there along those lines, must have been another post or just thought about it but didn&#039;t do so]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>done &amp; done <img src="http://cleantechnica.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
<p>i actually thought i put something in there along those lines, must have been another post or just thought about it but didn&#8217;t do so</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/06/23/nuclear-power-flooding-nuclear-power-getting-less-reliable/#comment-101271</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 20:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And point out that we don&#039;t need baseload.  We need the ability to provide power when it&#039;s needed.  &quot;Baseload&quot; is old skool thinking.

A mix of renewables along with storage and dispatchable would work just fine.  

That said, geothermal, biomass and run of the river hydro are the sorts of power the old folks call &#039;baseload&#039;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And point out that we don&#8217;t need baseload.  We need the ability to provide power when it&#8217;s needed.  &#8220;Baseload&#8221; is old skool thinking.</p>
<p>A mix of renewables along with storage and dispatchable would work just fine.  </p>
<p>That said, geothermal, biomass and run of the river hydro are the sorts of power the old folks call &#8216;baseload&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 19:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You might point out that solar thermal provides baseload capabilities. . .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might point out that solar thermal provides baseload capabilities. . .</p>
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