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	<title>Comments on: More than Half of U.S. Energy Goes to Waste &#8211; But Not for Long</title>
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		<title>By: Rtastad</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rtastad]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Aug 2011 01:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have driven by many oil refineries all over the US, and I see a huge pipe rising into the air, and a large flame coming from it, and I am curious as to why this energy is not harvested in some way?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have driven by many oil refineries all over the US, and I see a huge pipe rising into the air, and a large flame coming from it, and I am curious as to why this energy is not harvested in some way?</p>
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		<title>By: Update: Heat to Electricity Tech Happens at U Minn &#8211; CleanTechnica: Cleantech innovation news and views</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Update: Heat to Electricity Tech Happens at U Minn &#8211; CleanTechnica: Cleantech innovation news and views]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...]  Cleantechnica editor Zach Shahan wrote about the results of Oak Ridge study which pointed out that more than half of all energy spent in the US was &#8220;wasted&#8221; as heat.  The Oak Ridge lab researchers were looking for ways to put this heat to work, as it were, and [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;]  Cleantechnica editor Zach Shahan wrote about the results of Oak Ridge study which pointed out that more than half of all energy spent in the US was &#8220;wasted&#8221; as heat.  The Oak Ridge lab researchers were looking for ways to put this heat to work, as it were, and [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2011 16:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ I&#039;d like to know more about that 25TW of curtailed wind.  The little bit of data that I&#039;ve seen suggests that it might be very seasonal - in the spring when winds are high and we&#039;re in between winter heating and summer air conditioning seasons.  And it might have been spread over a large geographic region.

It might just not be practical to use some of the wind capacity that we have.  In order to have enough power when we need it we might need to overbuild for times when we don&#039;t.  

Or perhaps we need some very large CAES storage - fill up a few enormous caverns with seasonal wind that we could call on during peak-peak heat waves.  Wouldn&#039;t cost anything to leave that compressed air sitting there.  Especially if we used the turbines for dispatchable backup in the meantime.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> I&#8217;d like to know more about that 25TW of curtailed wind.  The little bit of data that I&#8217;ve seen suggests that it might be very seasonal &#8211; in the spring when winds are high and we&#8217;re in between winter heating and summer air conditioning seasons.  And it might have been spread over a large geographic region.</p>
<p>It might just not be practical to use some of the wind capacity that we have.  In order to have enough power when we need it we might need to overbuild for times when we don&#8217;t.  </p>
<p>Or perhaps we need some very large CAES storage &#8211; fill up a few enormous caverns with seasonal wind that we could call on during peak-peak heat waves.  Wouldn&#8217;t cost anything to leave that compressed air sitting there.  Especially if we used the turbines for dispatchable backup in the meantime.</p>
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		<title>By: Wilmot McCutchen</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wilmot McCutchen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2011 15:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Seebeck effect produces a small voltage at a junction of dissimilar metals (e.g. iron and aluminum wires), one connected to a heat source and the other connected to a heat sink.  That&#039;s one option for waste heat power harvesting, at least on a tiny scale (voltages from the Seebeck effect are on the order of millivolts, but there is a lot of current, so there is considerable power).  

Another is to use an organic Rankine cycle (ORC) so the heat source for power generation can be low temperature.  The working fluid is a high molecular weight refrigerant, instead of water.

The worst waste of energy I know of is the heat rejection at thermal power plants.  Only about a third of the energy in coal becomes power, and the rest is rejected to the atmosphere through the cooling towers, along with a lot of fresh water.  Power plants consume more fresh water than any other activity, next to agriculture.  The turbine exhaust steam at power plants could be a resource for waste heat power harvesting with a little intelligent design.  Making that steam lose enthalpy doing useful work makes more sense than cooling by evaporating precious fresh water uselessly into the atmosphere.  

And let&#039;s not forget about the waste of 25TWh of curtailed wind last year.  Put that wind to work doing something useful, like grinding or pumping.  Wind&#039;s highest and best use might well turn out to be something other than power generation.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Seebeck effect produces a small voltage at a junction of dissimilar metals (e.g. iron and aluminum wires), one connected to a heat source and the other connected to a heat sink.  That&#8217;s one option for waste heat power harvesting, at least on a tiny scale (voltages from the Seebeck effect are on the order of millivolts, but there is a lot of current, so there is considerable power).  </p>
<p>Another is to use an organic Rankine cycle (ORC) so the heat source for power generation can be low temperature.  The working fluid is a high molecular weight refrigerant, instead of water.</p>
<p>The worst waste of energy I know of is the heat rejection at thermal power plants.  Only about a third of the energy in coal becomes power, and the rest is rejected to the atmosphere through the cooling towers, along with a lot of fresh water.  Power plants consume more fresh water than any other activity, next to agriculture.  The turbine exhaust steam at power plants could be a resource for waste heat power harvesting with a little intelligent design.  Making that steam lose enthalpy doing useful work makes more sense than cooling by evaporating precious fresh water uselessly into the atmosphere.  </p>
<p>And let&#8217;s not forget about the waste of 25TWh of curtailed wind last year.  Put that wind to work doing something useful, like grinding or pumping.  Wind&#8217;s highest and best use might well turn out to be something other than power generation.  </p>
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		<title>By: Jim Baird</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Baird]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 May 2011 15:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Spent nuclear fuel is another waste heat source much in the news as are unconventional oil formations, like Alberta&#039;s oil sands, which require massive heat inputs to be produced. 

A logical solution to the problem of the former is to use it to overcome the problem of the latter. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spent nuclear fuel is another waste heat source much in the news as are unconventional oil formations, like Alberta&#8217;s oil sands, which require massive heat inputs to be produced. </p>
<p>A logical solution to the problem of the former is to use it to overcome the problem of the latter. </p>
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		<title>By: Jim Baird</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Baird]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 May 2011 15:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The largest reservoirs of waste heat are the world&#039;s oceans. They have accumulated close to 90 percent of the heat attributable to Climate Change and are expanding and melting the polar icecaps in the process. This damaging heat could provide all of the energy mankind will ever need by converting it to electrical energy with Ocean Thermal Energy conversion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The largest reservoirs of waste heat are the world&#8217;s oceans. They have accumulated close to 90 percent of the heat attributable to Climate Change and are expanding and melting the polar icecaps in the process. This damaging heat could provide all of the energy mankind will ever need by converting it to electrical energy with Ocean Thermal Energy conversion.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 May 2011 15:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tina - you might want to add an energy use diagram to your article so that people can easily see where our energy comes from and how it&#039;s used.    That puts the immense amount of waste into perspective.   Here&#039;s one...

http://futureenergyinvesting.typepad.com/.a/6a00e54edb740688330134876583d9970c-pi
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tina &#8211; you might want to add an energy use diagram to your article so that people can easily see where our energy comes from and how it&#8217;s used.    That puts the immense amount of waste into perspective.   Here&#8217;s one&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://futureenergyinvesting.typepad.com/.a/6a00e54edb740688330134876583d9970c-pi" rel="nofollow">http://futureenergyinvesting.typepad.com/.a/6a00e54edb740688330134876583d9970c-pi</a></p>
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