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	<title>Comments on: Another Cheap Way to Store Solar and Wind Power</title>
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		<title>By: Doug Cutler</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/05/04/another-cheap-way-to-store-solar-and-wind-power/#comment-233412</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Doug Cutler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2014 03:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Isentropic&#039;s own site is posting a positive third party report from established firm Parsons Brinckerhoff: 

http://www.isentropic.co.uk/news/77/66/New-electricity-storage-technique-developed-by-Isentropic-Ltd-to-cost-less-than-30-of-Pumped-Hydro-Storage#6553964356269253

from the post: &quot;The report also estimates a round-trip 
efficiency in excess of 90%.&quot;

What I don&#039;t quite understand whether or not this reports supports Isentropic&#039;s claims for $35MWh or less cost. It seems the larger the scale the smaller the costs. But I&#039;m hoping someone with actual expertise might dive into the P K report and explain in more detail for laymen.


This also from the cited post: &quot;Parsons Brinckerhoff is a leader in 
developing and operating infrastructure around the world, with 14,000 
employees dedicated to meeting the needs of clients and communities in 
the Americas, Europe, Africa, the Middle East, Asia, and 
Australia­Pacific regions.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isentropic&#8217;s own site is posting a positive third party report from established firm Parsons Brinckerhoff: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.isentropic.co.uk/news/77/66/New-electricity-storage-technique-developed-by-Isentropic-Ltd-to-cost-less-than-30-of-Pumped-Hydro-Storage#6553964356269253" rel="nofollow">http://www.isentropic.co.uk/news/77/66/New-electricity-storage-technique-developed-by-Isentropic-Ltd-to-cost-less-than-30-of-Pumped-Hydro-Storage#6553964356269253</a></p>
<p>from the post: &#8220;The report also estimates a round-trip<br />
efficiency in excess of 90%.&#8221;</p>
<p>What I don&#8217;t quite understand whether or not this reports supports Isentropic&#8217;s claims for $35MWh or less cost. It seems the larger the scale the smaller the costs. But I&#8217;m hoping someone with actual expertise might dive into the P K report and explain in more detail for laymen.</p>
<p>This also from the cited post: &#8220;Parsons Brinckerhoff is a leader in<br />
developing and operating infrastructure around the world, with 14,000<br />
employees dedicated to meeting the needs of clients and communities in<br />
the Americas, Europe, Africa, the Middle East, Asia, and<br />
Australia­Pacific regions.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Other Methods of Storing Solar or Wind Energy</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/05/04/another-cheap-way-to-store-solar-and-wind-power/#comment-129494</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Other Methods of Storing Solar or Wind Energy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2012 10:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] gravel &#8211; it is a relatively new method of storing electricity from a renewable energy system. This method works pretty much like a molten salt tank, where the temperature difference of the hotter [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] gravel &#8211; it is a relatively new method of storing electricity from a renewable energy system. This method works pretty much like a molten salt tank, where the temperature difference of the hotter [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/05/04/another-cheap-way-to-store-solar-and-wind-power/#comment-105015</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 19:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[since there are no problems with that: http://cleantechnica.com/2011/09/27/fracking-infographic/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>since there are no problems with that: <a href="http://cleantechnica.com/2011/09/27/fracking-infographic/" rel="nofollow">http://cleantechnica.com/2011/09/27/fracking-infographic/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/05/04/another-cheap-way-to-store-solar-and-wind-power/#comment-105013</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 19:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Or you could just produce natural gas]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or you could just produce natural gas</p>
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		<title>By: sola</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/05/04/another-cheap-way-to-store-solar-and-wind-power/#comment-101638</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sola]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2011 11:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[72% round-trip efficiency is not that bad if you can store wind energy into it which you bought at near-zero prices (or in some cases, negative prices).

Also $10/kwh is an awsome capacity price. Compare this with lithium-ion, where your best price will be above $300/kwh.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>72% round-trip efficiency is not that bad if you can store wind energy into it which you bought at near-zero prices (or in some cases, negative prices).</p>
<p>Also $10/kwh is an awsome capacity price. Compare this with lithium-ion, where your best price will be above $300/kwh.</p>
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		<title>By: James M. Van Damme</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/05/04/another-cheap-way-to-store-solar-and-wind-power/#comment-100599</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James M. Van Damme]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jun 2011 13:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lets see the 72% efficiency first before we get all excited. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lets see the 72% efficiency first before we get all excited. </p>
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		<title>By: heat pump reviews</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/05/04/another-cheap-way-to-store-solar-and-wind-power/#comment-99683</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[heat pump reviews]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 May 2011 11:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is really innovative and good way is explained in the post to conserve energy.Hope this technique is used to save other energy resources which in turns save energy and resources from vanish from earth.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is really innovative and good way is explained in the post to conserve energy.Hope this technique is used to save other energy resources which in turns save energy and resources from vanish from earth.</p>
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		<title>By: Filmorependrgn</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/05/04/another-cheap-way-to-store-solar-and-wind-power/#comment-98557</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Filmorependrgn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2011 19:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The requirements on the heat pump do not obviously directly scale.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The requirements on the heat pump do not obviously directly scale.</p>
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		<title>By: Company Stores Megawatts of Energy In Gravel-Filled Tanks &#124; Energy Storage</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/05/04/another-cheap-way-to-store-solar-and-wind-power/#comment-98539</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Company Stores Megawatts of Energy In Gravel-Filled Tanks &#124; Energy Storage]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2011 12:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] [via cleantechnica] [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] [via cleantechnica] [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Anumakonda Jagadeesh</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/05/04/another-cheap-way-to-store-solar-and-wind-power/#comment-98531</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anumakonda Jagadeesh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2011 10:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent way of Energy storage from Solar and Wind. The way storage of Energy from Renewables is tackled leaves much hope for these sources in the future.

Dr.A.Jagadeesh  Nellore(AP),India]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent way of Energy storage from Solar and Wind. The way storage of Energy from Renewables is tackled leaves much hope for these sources in the future.</p>
<p>Dr.A.Jagadeesh  Nellore(AP),India</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2011 10:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is brilliant news. Any technological advancement that makes it easier to justify using wind and sun power as viable alternatives to conventionally generated power is to be welcomed. One day in the not too distant future the world is going to be using alternative energy sources on a major scale.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is brilliant news. Any technological advancement that makes it easier to justify using wind and sun power as viable alternatives to conventionally generated power is to be welcomed. One day in the not too distant future the world is going to be using alternative energy sources on a major scale.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/05/04/another-cheap-way-to-store-solar-and-wind-power/#comment-98504</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2011 22:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not totally chemical free.  Argon gas is used as the &#039;air&#039;.  Argon is very abundant in the atmosphere and not particularly hazardous.  

I don&#039;t understand why they need to take build a demo project this large (think time and money).  This concept should work (or not) at garbage can size and scale up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not totally chemical free.  Argon gas is used as the &#8216;air&#8217;.  Argon is very abundant in the atmosphere and not particularly hazardous.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand why they need to take build a demo project this large (think time and money).  This concept should work (or not) at garbage can size and scale up.</p>
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