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		<title>By: muchos huevos</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/04/29/first-hvdc-transmission-projects-beginning-globally/#comment-110167</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[muchos huevos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Dec 2011 16:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This sounds great!!! anything that would help save money by NOT buying
oil from the haters is a good idea.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This sounds great!!! anything that would help save money by NOT buying<br />
oil from the haters is a good idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2011 15:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s a very good article on the dual 1,000MW HVDC transmission lines being installed underground between Spain and France.  Good details on the equipment being used.

This is one stage of integrating Europe and Northern Africa into one large grid.  Spain has excellent wind and solar resources and has done a very good job of installing wind turbines and solar panels.   This new line will let Spain sell some of their clean power into the rest of Europe, letting Europe cut back on their use of fossil fuels.

It&#039;s working....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a very good article on the dual 1,000MW HVDC transmission lines being installed underground between Spain and France.  Good details on the equipment being used.</p>
<p>This is one stage of integrating Europe and Northern Africa into one large grid.  Spain has excellent wind and solar resources and has done a very good job of installing wind turbines and solar panels.   This new line will let Spain sell some of their clean power into the rest of Europe, letting Europe cut back on their use of fossil fuels.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s working&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Kraemer</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan Kraemer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Apr 2011 13:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[woops, shoulda googled which was the AC advocate, rather than rely on memory: have fixed]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>woops, shoulda googled which was the AC advocate, rather than rely on memory: have fixed</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Apr 2011 10:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I submit to what&#039;s been said before. Tesla invented the AC, not Edison. In fact, Edison actually wanted to boycott Tesla&#039;s inventions by electrocuting animals in public places using AC current, and &quot;proving&quot; it&#039;s dangerous. You should rectify the info...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I submit to what&#8217;s been said before. Tesla invented the AC, not Edison. In fact, Edison actually wanted to boycott Tesla&#8217;s inventions by electrocuting animals in public places using AC current, and &#8220;proving&#8221; it&#8217;s dangerous. You should rectify the info&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Agostini</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Agostini]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Apr 2011 06:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To confirm, Tesla advocated AC.  Simply google &quot; Tesla advocated &quot; and the results will reveal the truth.  
Desertec is very impressive.  I love having positive stories to share with others about the environment, its future and me living in it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To confirm, Tesla advocated AC.  Simply google &#8221; Tesla advocated &#8221; and the results will reveal the truth.<br />
Desertec is very impressive.  I love having positive stories to share with others about the environment, its future and me living in it.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Apr 2011 03:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m afraid you&#039;ve got a whole bunch of stuff wrong.  

The Edison/DC and Tesla/AC is correct.  But from there on...

DC is less lossy over longer distances.  There is a small loss at each end (~0.75%) in the conversion process so over shorter distances AC is used.  

Early HVDC systems used mercury arc rectifiers, which were unreliable.   Today almost all HVDC systems use thyristor valves.

The world is kind of full of HVDC transmission lines.  The oldest still operating were built in the 1960s.  

 In the US we&#039;ve got the Pacific Intertie which runs between the Pacific Northwest and SoCal, the Intermountain Intertie between Utah and SoCal, the Neptune between Long Island and New Jersey, ....

Here&#039;s a list of HVDC lines.  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_HVDC_projects

Here&#039;s a pretty thorough piece on HVDC transmission...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-voltage_direct_current]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m afraid you&#8217;ve got a whole bunch of stuff wrong.  </p>
<p>The Edison/DC and Tesla/AC is correct.  But from there on&#8230;</p>
<p>DC is less lossy over longer distances.  There is a small loss at each end (~0.75%) in the conversion process so over shorter distances AC is used.  </p>
<p>Early HVDC systems used mercury arc rectifiers, which were unreliable.   Today almost all HVDC systems use thyristor valves.</p>
<p>The world is kind of full of HVDC transmission lines.  The oldest still operating were built in the 1960s.  </p>
<p> In the US we&#8217;ve got the Pacific Intertie which runs between the Pacific Northwest and SoCal, the Intermountain Intertie between Utah and SoCal, the Neptune between Long Island and New Jersey, &#8230;.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a list of HVDC lines.  </p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_HVDC_projects" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_HVDC_projects</a></p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a pretty thorough piece on HVDC transmission&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-voltage_direct_current" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-voltage_direct_current</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Apr 2011 02:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It was Edison who started with DC and Tesla who invented AC and licensed it to Westinghouse. 

AC does NOT have huge losses over distance, that&#039;s why it is used. One of the main advantages of AC is that it&#039;s easier to step up and down in voltage using relatively low tech transformers. Long distance AC lines run as high as 500kV (that&#039;s 1/2 a million volts) and can easily be stepped down to residential voltages. The higher the voltage the lower the current in the wires and as a result the lower the line losses. 

You can&#039;t use transformers to step up/down with DC so creating the high voltages necessary for long distance transmission and stepping it down for local use is simply much more expensive. Up until now they&#039;ve only been used for underwater systems where AC isn&#039;t suitable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was Edison who started with DC and Tesla who invented AC and licensed it to Westinghouse. </p>
<p>AC does NOT have huge losses over distance, that&#8217;s why it is used. One of the main advantages of AC is that it&#8217;s easier to step up and down in voltage using relatively low tech transformers. Long distance AC lines run as high as 500kV (that&#8217;s 1/2 a million volts) and can easily be stepped down to residential voltages. The higher the voltage the lower the current in the wires and as a result the lower the line losses. </p>
<p>You can&#8217;t use transformers to step up/down with DC so creating the high voltages necessary for long distance transmission and stepping it down for local use is simply much more expensive. Up until now they&#8217;ve only been used for underwater systems where AC isn&#8217;t suitable.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerrywolff65</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gerrywolff65]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Apr 2011 01:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, Edison favoured a low-voltage DC system but Tesla won the day by showing the advantages of a high-voltage AC system. HVDC was a later development with advantages over very long distances and for transmission under water and under ground.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, Edison favoured a low-voltage DC system but Tesla won the day by showing the advantages of a high-voltage AC system. HVDC was a later development with advantages over very long distances and for transmission under water and under ground.</p>
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		<title>By: Val Dodge</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Val Dodge]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Apr 2011 01:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think it was Tesla who advocated for AC, and Edison for DC, not the other way around.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it was Tesla who advocated for AC, and Edison for DC, not the other way around.</p>
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