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		<title>By: Industry Loves President's Green Button Energy Program</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Industry Loves President's Green Button Energy Program]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2012 09:06:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] as we transition from old energy to new. In particular, coal fired power plants are closing and nuclear energy faces an uncertain future, so utilities are venturing into new alternative energy territory that [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] as we transition from old energy to new. In particular, coal fired power plants are closing and nuclear energy faces an uncertain future, so utilities are venturing into new alternative energy territory that [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: 290-Megawatt Solar Power Behemoth Brings 400 New Green Jobs to Arizona &#124; CleanTechnica</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/04/21/wind-power-beats-nuclear-power-in-texas/#comment-102789</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[290-Megawatt Solar Power Behemoth Brings 400 New Green Jobs to Arizona &#124; CleanTechnica]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2011 12:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] the name NRG rings a bell, that&#8217;s the same general-purpose energy company that recently cancelled two nuclear power plants  planned for Texas, following the Fukushima nuclear disaster. The company&#8217;s priorities send [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] the name NRG rings a bell, that&#8217;s the same general-purpose energy company that recently cancelled two nuclear power plants  planned for Texas, following the Fukushima nuclear disaster. The company&#8217;s priorities send [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Nuclear Power &#38; Flooding (Nuclear Power Getting Less Reliable) &#8211; CleanTechnica: Cleantech innovation news and views</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/04/21/wind-power-beats-nuclear-power-in-texas/#comment-101274</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nuclear Power &#38; Flooding (Nuclear Power Getting Less Reliable) &#8211; CleanTechnica: Cleantech innovation news and views]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 20:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] 15 years.Any more input on this topic?More Nuclear Stories on CleanTechnica:My Thoughts on NuclearWind Power Beats Nuclear Power in TexasWind Power in Europe MORE Reliable than Nuclear Power in JapanRenewable Energy Passed Up Nuclear in [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] 15 years.Any more input on this topic?More Nuclear Stories on CleanTechnica:My Thoughts on NuclearWind Power Beats Nuclear Power in TexasWind Power in Europe MORE Reliable than Nuclear Power in JapanRenewable Energy Passed Up Nuclear in [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 05:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s not as crazy as you seem to think.  

Nuclear is clearly getting killed based on finances alone.  Natural gas has become such a cheap producer of electricity that it makes zero financial sense to build new nuclear.   The big boys running the big energy companies have publicly stated that as a fact.

Wind is getting built.  Yes, some of the impetus for building wind other than for financial reasons, at least short term financial reasons.  Right now the wholesale price of wind is about the same as the wholesale price of natural gas.  Plus wind does not pump more carbon into the environment, which natural gas certainly does.  In the long term wind is vastly cheaper than NG because it helps us avoid the incredible expense of climate change.

We&#039;re building a lot of NG production.  The &#039;old fossils&#039; believe in fossil fuel and boiling water to make electricity.  And right now the NG numbers look good to them.  

For those of us concerned about our future, NG is a blessing and a curse.

It&#039;s a blessing because it reduces substances like mercury in our environment  and produces some less CO2 per unit of electricity as compared to coal.  

And it&#039;s dispatchable.  That means that whenever there is ample wind and/or solar on the grid the gas valve will be closed.  NG has a fuel price, wind and solar do not.  That&#039;s better than dealing with a coal plant which can&#039;t be quickly shut down or brought back on line.

Of course NG is also a curse.  It does produce CO2.  It leaks methane.  Fracking for NG is screwing up our water supply. 

 If we can get the fracking problem under control and greatly reduce the methane leaks then NG can be a useful bridging technology on our way to a greenhouse gas free grid.  The NG capacity is going to be built.  As we develop better storage and demand response systems we can dial back on the gas until, hopefully, we need it no longer.

It&#039;s kind of like making a pact with Joe Stalin to defeat Ol&#039; Adolph.  Team up with a lesser devil and then deal with that lesser devil further down the road....

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not as crazy as you seem to think.  </p>
<p>Nuclear is clearly getting killed based on finances alone.  Natural gas has become such a cheap producer of electricity that it makes zero financial sense to build new nuclear.   The big boys running the big energy companies have publicly stated that as a fact.</p>
<p>Wind is getting built.  Yes, some of the impetus for building wind other than for financial reasons, at least short term financial reasons.  Right now the wholesale price of wind is about the same as the wholesale price of natural gas.  Plus wind does not pump more carbon into the environment, which natural gas certainly does.  In the long term wind is vastly cheaper than NG because it helps us avoid the incredible expense of climate change.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re building a lot of NG production.  The &#8216;old fossils&#8217; believe in fossil fuel and boiling water to make electricity.  And right now the NG numbers look good to them.  </p>
<p>For those of us concerned about our future, NG is a blessing and a curse.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a blessing because it reduces substances like mercury in our environment  and produces some less CO2 per unit of electricity as compared to coal.  </p>
<p>And it&#8217;s dispatchable.  That means that whenever there is ample wind and/or solar on the grid the gas valve will be closed.  NG has a fuel price, wind and solar do not.  That&#8217;s better than dealing with a coal plant which can&#8217;t be quickly shut down or brought back on line.</p>
<p>Of course NG is also a curse.  It does produce CO2.  It leaks methane.  Fracking for NG is screwing up our water supply. </p>
<p> If we can get the fracking problem under control and greatly reduce the methane leaks then NG can be a useful bridging technology on our way to a greenhouse gas free grid.  The NG capacity is going to be built.  As we develop better storage and demand response systems we can dial back on the gas until, hopefully, we need it no longer.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s kind of like making a pact with Joe Stalin to defeat Ol&#8217; Adolph.  Team up with a lesser devil and then deal with that lesser devil further down the road&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Casten</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/04/21/wind-power-beats-nuclear-power-in-texas/#comment-97264</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sean Casten]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2011 21:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a crazy story.  Wind is cheaper than nuke, but intermittent.  Nuke is baseloaded but expensive (and subject to all sorts of other LT risks.)  Nuke is having a hard time attracting capital for all sorts of reasons, not limited to Japan (see: history of construction cost overruns), and wind is attracting capital for all sorts of reasons, not limited to fundamental economics (see: US tax policy).  To imply a linkage between rises in deployments of one causing reduced deployments of the other is to infer a causality that isn&#039;t there - or else a horribly irresponsible grid management process.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a crazy story.  Wind is cheaper than nuke, but intermittent.  Nuke is baseloaded but expensive (and subject to all sorts of other LT risks.)  Nuke is having a hard time attracting capital for all sorts of reasons, not limited to Japan (see: history of construction cost overruns), and wind is attracting capital for all sorts of reasons, not limited to fundamental economics (see: US tax policy).  To imply a linkage between rises in deployments of one causing reduced deployments of the other is to infer a causality that isn&#8217;t there &#8211; or else a horribly irresponsible grid management process.</p>
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		<title>By: Important Media Umbrella Acct</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/04/21/wind-power-beats-nuclear-power-in-texas/#comment-97076</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Important Media Umbrella Acct]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Apr 2011 09:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[thanks for the extra points/links. very informative :D]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for the extra points/links. very informative <img src="http://cleantechnica.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
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		<title>By: Important Media Umbrella Acct</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/04/21/wind-power-beats-nuclear-power-in-texas/#comment-97075</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Apr 2011 09:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I should have replied to &amp; approved this one before the other, I guess :D  Some duplication. Anyway, I replied to the first part already (and on your post), and regarding the second part, thanks for sharing. I guess you are from Texas? (Not sure why the Texas case was added?).  Yes, innovations in wind technology, transmission, and storage options will narrow the difference between capacity and output in the coming years.

If we look at the differences between wind technology today and a couple decades ago, or energy technology in general today compared to hundreds of years ago, we can easily see that things can be improved. Wind is a very promising energy source and has much potential.

And, of course, a tremendous amount more wind energy capacity and output is on the way already. Just one crossover of many, of course]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should have replied to &amp; approved this one before the other, I guess <img src="http://cleantechnica.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" class="wp-smiley" />  Some duplication. Anyway, I replied to the first part already (and on your post), and regarding the second part, thanks for sharing. I guess you are from Texas? (Not sure why the Texas case was added?).  Yes, innovations in wind technology, transmission, and storage options will narrow the difference between capacity and output in the coming years.</p>
<p>If we look at the differences between wind technology today and a couple decades ago, or energy technology in general today compared to hundreds of years ago, we can easily see that things can be improved. Wind is a very promising energy source and has much potential.</p>
<p>And, of course, a tremendous amount more wind energy capacity and output is on the way already. Just one crossover of many, of course</p>
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		<title>By: Texas Gets First Wind-Powered Cars in the U.S. &#8211; CleanTechnica: Cleantech innovation news and views</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/04/21/wind-power-beats-nuclear-power-in-texas/#comment-96976</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Texas Gets First Wind-Powered Cars in the U.S. &#8211; CleanTechnica: Cleantech innovation news and views]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Apr 2011 11:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] NuclearWind Power Beats Nuclear Power in Texas [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/04/21/wind-power-beats-nuclear-power-in-texas/#comment-96938</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Apr 2011 00:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We&#039;ll do what we now do when a coal or nuclear plant goes offline.  We&#039;ll engineer the grid to deal with those problems.

Right now we use dispatchable hydro, gas peakers, storage, and demand response.

We&#039;ve built 21.5GW of pump-up hydro to deal with the nuclear problem.  Nuclear can&#039;t be turned off when demand is low so we built a lot of pump-up to store &#039;not wanted&#039; power and then feed it to the grid when demand rises.  We  will likely build more pump-up along with CAES (compressed air, we&#039;ve got one facility up and running) and utility scale batteries (some are already on line).  We&#039;ll build thermal solar which can store energy for days and weeks.

We already pay large consumers to cut their electricity use when supply is strained.  We&#039;ll likely do more of that, along with timing things such as EV charging and appliance use.  (You really care what time of day your refer defrosts?  As long as it gets done often enough to keep the frost down is all that matters.  Cycle it when supply is up, not when supply is low.)

And we&#039;ll install more &#039;always on&#039; sources such as geothermal, tidal, hydro and biomass.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ll do what we now do when a coal or nuclear plant goes offline.  We&#8217;ll engineer the grid to deal with those problems.</p>
<p>Right now we use dispatchable hydro, gas peakers, storage, and demand response.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve built 21.5GW of pump-up hydro to deal with the nuclear problem.  Nuclear can&#8217;t be turned off when demand is low so we built a lot of pump-up to store &#8216;not wanted&#8217; power and then feed it to the grid when demand rises.  We  will likely build more pump-up along with CAES (compressed air, we&#8217;ve got one facility up and running) and utility scale batteries (some are already on line).  We&#8217;ll build thermal solar which can store energy for days and weeks.</p>
<p>We already pay large consumers to cut their electricity use when supply is strained.  We&#8217;ll likely do more of that, along with timing things such as EV charging and appliance use.  (You really care what time of day your refer defrosts?  As long as it gets done often enough to keep the frost down is all that matters.  Cycle it when supply is up, not when supply is low.)</p>
<p>And we&#8217;ll install more &#8216;always on&#8217; sources such as geothermal, tidal, hydro and biomass.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne Williamson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wayne Williamson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2011 23:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting how all the twitter links just lead back here(not a twitter person so I don&#039;t know what that means).

I think its great how wind and solar are gaining ground....but...my question
is what are you going to do when the wind doesn&#039;t blow or the sun doesn&#039;t shine...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting how all the twitter links just lead back here(not a twitter person so I don&#8217;t know what that means).</p>
<p>I think its great how wind and solar are gaining ground&#8230;.but&#8230;my question<br />
is what are you going to do when the wind doesn&#8217;t blow or the sun doesn&#8217;t shine&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Online Strategies</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/04/21/wind-power-beats-nuclear-power-in-texas/#comment-96900</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Online Strategies]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2011 14:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The nuclear fear paves way to wind power the &quot;open source&quot; for clean energy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The nuclear fear paves way to wind power the &#8220;open source&#8221; for clean energy.</p>
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		<title>By: Anumakonda Jagadeesh</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/04/21/wind-power-beats-nuclear-power-in-texas/#comment-96898</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anumakonda Jagadeesh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2011 14:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes. Wind Power is expanding in US at a rapid speed. Soon US will be a big player in Offshore Wind Farms.

Dr.A.Jagadeesh  Nellore(AP),India
Wind Energy Expert
E-mail: anumakonda.jagadeesh@gmail.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes. Wind Power is expanding in US at a rapid speed. Soon US will be a big player in Offshore Wind Farms.</p>
<p>Dr.A.Jagadeesh  Nellore(AP),India<br />
Wind Energy Expert<br />
E-mail: <a href="mailto:anumakonda.jagadeesh@gmail.com">anumakonda.jagadeesh@gmail.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tina Casey</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/04/21/wind-power-beats-nuclear-power-in-texas/#comment-96861</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tina Casey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2011 02:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Errr...I hate to pick sides but basically Bob is right. What&#039;s with the snark? Aside from that, its a commonplace in the wind and solar industries that smart grid technology and advanced storage technology are needed to smooth out the bumps in intermittent energy sources. Sorry if I didn&#039;t make that clear.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Errr&#8230;I hate to pick sides but basically Bob is right. What&#8217;s with the snark? Aside from that, its a commonplace in the wind and solar industries that smart grid technology and advanced storage technology are needed to smooth out the bumps in intermittent energy sources. Sorry if I didn&#8217;t make that clear.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2011 01:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mr/Ms Guest needs to learn how inexpensive wind-produced electricity has become and how valuable any cheap, clean power is to the grid.  In Texas, utilities are reporting that wind is lowering the overall price of electricity.

Mr/Ms Guest needs to learn about the grid and how grid managers are constantly balancing rapidly changing demand and supply and  how wind is just one more source that can fill the need for power.

Mr/Ms Guest also needs to understand that even nuclear, coal, and natural gas generation is not 24/365.  Those plants go off line from time to time.  On average coal plants are down about 15% of the time and nuclear, best case, is available about 90% of the time. 

Grid managers use dispatchable sources such as natural gas and hydro to fill in the gaps caused by demand/supply mismatches.

I really doubt that Ms. Casey needs to learn about &quot;CAPACITY and electric GENERATION&quot;.  She&#039;s been at this for a while.  

Perhaps Mr./Ms. Guest needs to learn how to read with comprehension.  This article is about Texas not building a couple of planned nuclear plants and about Texas&#039;s success with generating electricity from wind.  

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr/Ms Guest needs to learn how inexpensive wind-produced electricity has become and how valuable any cheap, clean power is to the grid.  In Texas, utilities are reporting that wind is lowering the overall price of electricity.</p>
<p>Mr/Ms Guest needs to learn about the grid and how grid managers are constantly balancing rapidly changing demand and supply and  how wind is just one more source that can fill the need for power.</p>
<p>Mr/Ms Guest also needs to understand that even nuclear, coal, and natural gas generation is not 24/365.  Those plants go off line from time to time.  On average coal plants are down about 15% of the time and nuclear, best case, is available about 90% of the time. </p>
<p>Grid managers use dispatchable sources such as natural gas and hydro to fill in the gaps caused by demand/supply mismatches.</p>
<p>I really doubt that Ms. Casey needs to learn about &#8220;CAPACITY and electric GENERATION&#8221;.  She&#8217;s been at this for a while.  </p>
<p>Perhaps Mr./Ms. Guest needs to learn how to read with comprehension.  This article is about Texas not building a couple of planned nuclear plants and about Texas&#8217;s success with generating electricity from wind.  </p>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Guest]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ms. Casey desperately needs to learn something about energy in general and electricity in particular.  Specifically, she needs to learn:

a.  The difference between electric generating CAPACITY and electric GENERATION.  This makes a huge difference when talking about wind.

b.  That electricity from wind is very high in true cost and low in true value.  It is totally misleading to compare electricity from intermittent sources like wind with reliable generating sources like nuclear, coal, natural gas, oil, (some) geothermal, and (some) biomass.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms. Casey desperately needs to learn something about energy in general and electricity in particular.  Specifically, she needs to learn:</p>
<p>a.  The difference between electric generating CAPACITY and electric GENERATION.  This makes a huge difference when talking about wind.</p>
<p>b.  That electricity from wind is very high in true cost and low in true value.  It is totally misleading to compare electricity from intermittent sources like wind with reliable generating sources like nuclear, coal, natural gas, oil, (some) geothermal, and (some) biomass.</p>
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