Comments on: BPA Formalizing Plans to Curtail Excess Wind Energy in Oversupply http://cleantechnica.com/2011/03/30/bpa-formalizing-plans-to-curtail-excess-wind-energy-in-oversupply/ Clean Tech News & Views: Solar Energy News. Wind Energy News. EV News. & More. Mon, 29 Dec 2014 11:26:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.0.1 By: Chris A Hooymans http://cleantechnica.com/2011/03/30/bpa-formalizing-plans-to-curtail-excess-wind-energy-in-oversupply/#comment-104771 Tue, 20 Sep 2011 22:50:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=25162#comment-104771 It might be time for wind companies to invest in capacitors or compressed air storage to save wind energy for when it can best be used. Or it might just be a case of finding consumers who indicate a preference for wind powered energy.

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]]> By: Susan Kraemer http://cleantechnica.com/2011/03/30/bpa-formalizing-plans-to-curtail-excess-wind-energy-in-oversupply/#comment-95793 Thu, 31 Mar 2011 23:38:03 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=25162#comment-95793 And even send (Better Place) batteries up there for charging at night?

]]> By: Susan Kraemer http://cleantechnica.com/2011/03/30/bpa-formalizing-plans-to-curtail-excess-wind-energy-in-oversupply/#comment-95791 Thu, 31 Mar 2011 23:33:32 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=25162#comment-95791 Yes.

]]> By: Susan Kraemer http://cleantechnica.com/2011/03/30/bpa-formalizing-plans-to-curtail-excess-wind-energy-in-oversupply/#comment-95790 Thu, 31 Mar 2011 23:32:28 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=25162#comment-95790 Good point.

]]> By: Susan Kraemer http://cleantechnica.com/2011/03/30/bpa-formalizing-plans-to-curtail-excess-wind-energy-in-oversupply/#comment-95789 Thu, 31 Mar 2011 23:31:51 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=25162#comment-95789 Woops! Fixed. Thanks. Yes, it is. But the solution is storage.

]]> By: Christina Williams http://cleantechnica.com/2011/03/30/bpa-formalizing-plans-to-curtail-excess-wind-energy-in-oversupply/#comment-95787 Thu, 31 Mar 2011 21:03:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=25162#comment-95787 I have to point out that Bonneville Power Administration is in Oregon, not Washington. I agree with Roger that it’s a complicated issue. Rachel Shimshak of Renewable Northwest Project recently weighed in on the top on Sustainable Business Oregon: http://www.sustainablebusinessoregon.com/columns/2011/03/powering-down-wind-isnt-the-only.html

]]> By: Roger Lauricella http://cleantechnica.com/2011/03/30/bpa-formalizing-plans-to-curtail-excess-wind-energy-in-oversupply/#comment-95784 Thu, 31 Mar 2011 17:13:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=25162#comment-95784 Susan: This issue is not a simple one. First of all BPA has a requirement to ensure that the grid is stable and that they can supply and respond to demand and faults and problems. They have to utilize base load facilities (such as hydro) that can provide both voltage and frequency stabilization as the means to do this so a base load facility will always receive priority and will not be curtailed unless enough other baseload generation is available to meet the voltage and frequency backups that are needed for the overall grid. Wind unfortunately at this time can not provide voltage or frequency support needed for grid stabilization. Wind also in its current form (and certainly in the NW) is not a self starting power source. You need the grid first for wind to work (i.e voltage is needed to start the wind and when it blows high enough current is reversed and wind generates power fed back into the grid). Hydro facilities on the other hand can be black started as they say and can self generate (its by virtue of use a different type of generator). There are also other issues associated with where the wind power is sold vs where the hydro power is sold that sort of get in the way of coordination. Quite a bit of wind power in one state is now wheeled through that state to other states (see examples of California Wind Power coming from surrounding states) whereas in BPAs case, almost all the hydro power is utilized in its territory. For example if BPA curtails their hydro (which may feed their customers) and allows wind to flow through (to possibly a customer who is not in BPAs territory) they are not meeting the requirements of their contracts to their customers. A very delicate balancing act. Iberdrola is a bit biased, they want to sell their power to their end use customers and they will of course step up and say not fair. As to your comment on storage, you are right on, but that is really the responsibility of the wind farm owner if he wants to have his wind power play in that arena. BPA of course could install storage for wind power but they would have to get approval for repayment and addition into the rate base and then if the wind power from that area was not being sold into their area, what do they do.

]]> By: Anonymous http://cleantechnica.com/2011/03/30/bpa-formalizing-plans-to-curtail-excess-wind-energy-in-oversupply/#comment-95768 Thu, 31 Mar 2011 03:38:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=25162#comment-95768 So, they’re going to ask free market loving Republicans to push this legislation through for them?

Strangely I find this good news. It says to me that someone is going to see this as an opportunity to build some storage and make some money.

Or they could simply hook up to the Pacific Intertie and ship that power south and let some natural gas turbines take a rest.

]]> By: Anonymous http://cleantechnica.com/2011/03/30/bpa-formalizing-plans-to-curtail-excess-wind-energy-in-oversupply/#comment-95767 Thu, 31 Mar 2011 03:20:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=25162#comment-95767 This is where the smart grid and electric cars come in.

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