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	<title>Comments on: House GOP to Eliminate Climate Change Science Budget</title>
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		<title>By: InternationalGal</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/02/17/house-gop-to-eliminate-climate-change-science-budget/#comment-94854</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[InternationalGal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Mar 2011 22:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Bill744 for making that clear about major&#039;s comments. Usually ignorant people often have nothing intelligent to say, but complain about everything.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Bill744 for making that clear about major&#8217;s comments. Usually ignorant people often have nothing intelligent to say, but complain about everything.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill744</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/02/17/house-gop-to-eliminate-climate-change-science-budget/#comment-93582</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill744]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Feb 2011 18:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What is bogus is making unsubstantiated allegations and ad hominem attacks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is bogus is making unsubstantiated allegations and ad hominem attacks.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill744</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/02/17/house-gop-to-eliminate-climate-change-science-budget/#comment-93579</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill744]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Feb 2011 18:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ad hominem attack... exposes the fact woodNfish has no point.

This point of view ignores the cost of crop losses, floods, droughts, black lung, cancers, species loss, not to mention the cost of marrying our economic success to volatile, commodities (witness a new oil shock now, coal plants in New England closing due to a doubled price of coal, etc.) and the national security costs of maintaining access to imported oil.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ad hominem attack&#8230; exposes the fact woodNfish has no point.</p>
<p>This point of view ignores the cost of crop losses, floods, droughts, black lung, cancers, species loss, not to mention the cost of marrying our economic success to volatile, commodities (witness a new oil shock now, coal plants in New England closing due to a doubled price of coal, etc.) and the national security costs of maintaining access to imported oil.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill744</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/02/17/house-gop-to-eliminate-climate-change-science-budget/#comment-93574</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill744]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Feb 2011 18:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Susan is absolutely correct.
If you read actual scientific literature, rather than politically motivated (and funded) think tank articles that masquerade as science (e.g. the Heartland Institute), the you would have to do all in your sphere of influence to reduce energy use and support the conversion to a sustainable energy economy. The amazing thing is that if you count all the costs, adopting sustainable, renewable, clean energy and energy efficiency costs less than a fossil fueled future.
It seems that Sam has some reading to catch up on. The IR argument he obliquely references has been refuted many times. With all the noise out there, it is not hard to become an unwitting misinformer [sic] claiming that scientists are not scientific, pushed by greedy lobbyists who could care less about the science or old cold warriors who see red ghosts wherever they look.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Susan is absolutely correct.<br />
If you read actual scientific literature, rather than politically motivated (and funded) think tank articles that masquerade as science (e.g. the Heartland Institute), the you would have to do all in your sphere of influence to reduce energy use and support the conversion to a sustainable energy economy. The amazing thing is that if you count all the costs, adopting sustainable, renewable, clean energy and energy efficiency costs less than a fossil fueled future.<br />
It seems that Sam has some reading to catch up on. The IR argument he obliquely references has been refuted many times. With all the noise out there, it is not hard to become an unwitting misinformer [sic] claiming that scientists are not scientific, pushed by greedy lobbyists who could care less about the science or old cold warriors who see red ghosts wherever they look.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill744</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/02/17/house-gop-to-eliminate-climate-change-science-budget/#comment-93542</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill744]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Feb 2011 18:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Steve has a point here with zero dimensions. Bravo.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve has a point here with zero dimensions. Bravo.</p>
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		<title>By: Climategate.nl&#187; Blog Archive &#187; Amerika grossiert in post-normale politiek</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/02/17/house-gop-to-eliminate-climate-change-science-budget/#comment-92788</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Climategate.nl&#187; Blog Archive &#187; Amerika grossiert in post-normale politiek]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Feb 2011 14:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Congres overweegt schrappen budget voor klimaatonderzoek NASA [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: major</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/02/17/house-gop-to-eliminate-climate-change-science-budget/#comment-92598</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[major]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Feb 2011 00:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Do it...we have wasted billions on this bogus science of global warming becuase of liars like Al Gore.  Eventually I hope to see him convicted of fraud and wearing an orange jump suit the rest of his life.  Even this punishment is way too goo for him.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do it&#8230;we have wasted billions on this bogus science of global warming becuase of liars like Al Gore.  Eventually I hope to see him convicted of fraud and wearing an orange jump suit the rest of his life.  Even this punishment is way too goo for him.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Kraemer</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/02/17/house-gop-to-eliminate-climate-change-science-budget/#comment-92571</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan Kraemer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Feb 2011 22:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry, regular readers about the influx of irrationality.

Another writer here privately pointed out to me, that &lt;strong&gt;we can see in Wordpress that they all came here from one single website, climatedepot, funded by oil money from the Scaife Family Foundation&lt;/strong&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, regular readers about the influx of irrationality.</p>
<p>Another writer here privately pointed out to me, that <strong>we can see in WordPress that they all came here from one single website, climatedepot, funded by oil money from the Scaife Family Foundation</strong>.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Kraemer</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/02/17/house-gop-to-eliminate-climate-change-science-budget/#comment-92540</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan Kraemer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Feb 2011 20:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you so much, Brian. Gets tiring pointing this falsehood about the 31,000 scientists out, as it makes no impact on these paid fossil trolls, that all came here from one site yesterday, that is funded by oil money.

Also the 31,000 includes dead heart surgeons and pediatric doctors too as I recall.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much, Brian. Gets tiring pointing this falsehood about the 31,000 scientists out, as it makes no impact on these paid fossil trolls, that all came here from one site yesterday, that is funded by oil money.</p>
<p>Also the 31,000 includes dead heart surgeons and pediatric doctors too as I recall.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Dodge</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/02/17/house-gop-to-eliminate-climate-change-science-budget/#comment-92477</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian Dodge]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Feb 2011 17:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The OISM list of 31000 &quot;scientists&quot; only contains 39 real scientists who specialise in climate. 

The 31000 so called &quot;scientists&quot; by the OISM include physicians, electrical engineers, mechanical engineers, chemists, and a host of other broadly defined &quot;scientists&quot; who would have to know next to nothing about climatology.

 There were over 10.6 million science graduates as defined by the OISM since the 1970-71 school year, so the 31000 is a miniscule fraction even by their own broad definitions. 

Every scientific organization from the American Association of Petroleum Geologists to every one of the National Academies of Science worldwide recognizes the fact of AGW, and AGW is already causing problems; deadly heat waves - tens of thousands dead in France, Russia, Pakistan, China, and Brazil; rice crop declines and wheat crop failures in Russia, Australia, and China - did you notice the price of bread lately, or the news of food riots in India, Bangladesh, Egypt, or Mexico? 

~60% of the US corn crop goes to animal feed - seen any starving cows rioting lately? 40% of the rest goes to industrial processing - do you think that people in Bangladesh are rioting because they&#039;re not getting enough high fructose corn syrup in their diet? ~25% of the US corn crop is exported, and according to the USDA most of the corn that is exported is used for feed, some goes into industrial processing, and the remainder becomes food. 

Total corn exports only account for ~11% of total US$ agriculture  exports, 50 million metric tons; Argentina, the second largest exporter, ships only 13 MmT, and plant their corn after the size of the U.S. crop is known. &quot;Corn to ethanol causes starvation&quot; is a right wing lie.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The OISM list of 31000 &#8220;scientists&#8221; only contains 39 real scientists who specialise in climate. </p>
<p>The 31000 so called &#8220;scientists&#8221; by the OISM include physicians, electrical engineers, mechanical engineers, chemists, and a host of other broadly defined &#8220;scientists&#8221; who would have to know next to nothing about climatology.</p>
<p> There were over 10.6 million science graduates as defined by the OISM since the 1970-71 school year, so the 31000 is a miniscule fraction even by their own broad definitions. </p>
<p>Every scientific organization from the American Association of Petroleum Geologists to every one of the National Academies of Science worldwide recognizes the fact of AGW, and AGW is already causing problems; deadly heat waves &#8211; tens of thousands dead in France, Russia, Pakistan, China, and Brazil; rice crop declines and wheat crop failures in Russia, Australia, and China &#8211; did you notice the price of bread lately, or the news of food riots in India, Bangladesh, Egypt, or Mexico? </p>
<p>~60% of the US corn crop goes to animal feed &#8211; seen any starving cows rioting lately? 40% of the rest goes to industrial processing &#8211; do you think that people in Bangladesh are rioting because they&#8217;re not getting enough high fructose corn syrup in their diet? ~25% of the US corn crop is exported, and according to the USDA most of the corn that is exported is used for feed, some goes into industrial processing, and the remainder becomes food. </p>
<p>Total corn exports only account for ~11% of total US$ agriculture  exports, 50 million metric tons; Argentina, the second largest exporter, ships only 13 MmT, and plant their corn after the size of the U.S. crop is known. &#8220;Corn to ethanol causes starvation&#8221; is a right wing lie.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/02/17/house-gop-to-eliminate-climate-change-science-budget/#comment-92304</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Feb 2011 05:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Right back at ya dumbass. Are you sure you wrote it all by yourself?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right back at ya dumbass. Are you sure you wrote it all by yourself?</p>
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		<title>By: WV Treehugger</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/02/17/house-gop-to-eliminate-climate-change-science-budget/#comment-92271</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[WV Treehugger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Feb 2011 03:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ROFL, OMG, awesome reply Susan.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ROFL, OMG, awesome reply Susan.</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/02/17/house-gop-to-eliminate-climate-change-science-budget/#comment-92189</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[john]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2011 22:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And you people say we are hate full,and inconsiderate. You don&#039;t look at much real science these days do you? If you did you would discard the junk from AL and James H. and look at the other 31,000 scientist that have more than countered, these few claims of doom, you worry about just relxa and have a good day anyway. When the cost of food for poor people around you gets so high they start to starve to death, we will wish we never heard of Al and the gang.we already see the starvation in foreign countrys,pratly caused by corn for ethanol programs that cost so much they cant even pay for them selves.
More liberal sympathy and we will all be unable to live in doors and eat, much less be able to help anyone else.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And you people say we are hate full,and inconsiderate. You don&#8217;t look at much real science these days do you? If you did you would discard the junk from AL and James H. and look at the other 31,000 scientist that have more than countered, these few claims of doom, you worry about just relxa and have a good day anyway. When the cost of food for poor people around you gets so high they start to starve to death, we will wish we never heard of Al and the gang.we already see the starvation in foreign countrys,pratly caused by corn for ethanol programs that cost so much they cant even pay for them selves.<br />
More liberal sympathy and we will all be unable to live in doors and eat, much less be able to help anyone else.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Foote</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/02/17/house-gop-to-eliminate-climate-change-science-budget/#comment-92187</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Foote]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2011 22:34:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If we ignore it, than it can&#039;t hurt us; like crawling ubder the blankets as a child.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we ignore it, than it can&#8217;t hurt us; like crawling ubder the blankets as a child.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Kraemer</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/02/17/house-gop-to-eliminate-climate-change-science-budget/#comment-92186</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan Kraemer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2011 22:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mmm, from your spelling, I&#039;d guess perhaps you&#039;ve been imbibing some of the &quot;strong pint of fascists.&quot; Or perhaps gummint should have &quot;pured&quot; more money into your education.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mmm, from your spelling, I&#8217;d guess perhaps you&#8217;ve been imbibing some of the &#8220;strong pint of fascists.&#8221; Or perhaps gummint should have &#8220;pured&#8221; more money into your education.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam NC</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/02/17/house-gop-to-eliminate-climate-change-science-budget/#comment-92166</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sam NC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2011 21:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[He is not a scientists. He is at best a warmist or a CO2 misinformer who have no scientific sense of CO2 energy with 15 um IR radiation. He is in fact a trivialist who cannot appreciated the magnitudes of solar energy absorbed, reflected, evaporated, radiated, and the 15 um CO2 IR energy band which is trivial.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He is not a scientists. He is at best a warmist or a CO2 misinformer who have no scientific sense of CO2 energy with 15 um IR radiation. He is in fact a trivialist who cannot appreciated the magnitudes of solar energy absorbed, reflected, evaporated, radiated, and the 15 um CO2 IR energy band which is trivial.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/02/17/house-gop-to-eliminate-climate-change-science-budget/#comment-92126</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2011 18:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pinball Jim, 

You are an idiot. However, we do have one thing in common. Your idea about dividing the country between left and right is inviting. Maybe you should mention that to Al Gore. Hell, if he ran on that platform, I&#039;d probably vote for him.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pinball Jim, </p>
<p>You are an idiot. However, we do have one thing in common. Your idea about dividing the country between left and right is inviting. Maybe you should mention that to Al Gore. Hell, if he ran on that platform, I&#8217;d probably vote for him.</p>
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		<title>By: woodNfish</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/02/17/house-gop-to-eliminate-climate-change-science-budget/#comment-92095</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[woodNfish]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2011 17:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Susan Kramer isn&#039;t very bright. She thinks the only cost of this government funded fraud is the tax dollars pured into it while she ignores the trillions of dollars in cost by more expensive regulation, lost jobs and investment in the private sector.

But then, economics never has been the strong pint of fascists.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Susan Kramer isn&#8217;t very bright. She thinks the only cost of this government funded fraud is the tax dollars pured into it while she ignores the trillions of dollars in cost by more expensive regulation, lost jobs and investment in the private sector.</p>
<p>But then, economics never has been the strong pint of fascists.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Kraemer</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/02/17/house-gop-to-eliminate-climate-change-science-budget/#comment-92023</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan Kraemer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2011 13:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Eric: Riiiight, who needs gummint to pay for science! Climate scientists should hold bake sales to fund their work!

If those top climate scientists like James Hansen want to do their climate science in the Arctic let them let them pay their &lt;strong&gt;own&lt;/strong&gt; way! 

Seriously, Hansen is a scientist. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Hansen 

The political push-back against action in the face of the clear and present danger is what turned him - as a human being - into an activist, it&#039;s the only moral response. 

If climate scientists&#039; news in the 80s and 90s had been met with the appropriate response by speeding the switch to clean energy, he would not be &quot;an activist&quot; but simply continuing to refine the science.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Eric: Riiiight, who needs gummint to pay for science! Climate scientists should hold bake sales to fund their work!</p>
<p>If those top climate scientists like James Hansen want to do their climate science in the Arctic let them let them pay their <strong>own</strong> way! </p>
<p>Seriously, Hansen is a scientist. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Hansen" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Hansen</a> </p>
<p>The political push-back against action in the face of the clear and present danger is what turned him &#8211; as a human being &#8211; into an activist, it&#8217;s the only moral response. </p>
<p>If climate scientists&#8217; news in the 80s and 90s had been met with the appropriate response by speeding the switch to clean energy, he would not be &#8220;an activist&#8221; but simply continuing to refine the science.</p>
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		<title>By: Erik</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2011/02/17/house-gop-to-eliminate-climate-change-science-budget/#comment-91955</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Erik]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2011 08:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;But with no funding, future taxpayers will no longer have to hear from scientists like James Hansen&quot;

You do have freedom of speech in US right? - let him pay for himself - why should the public fund a political activist?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But with no funding, future taxpayers will no longer have to hear from scientists like James Hansen&#8221;</p>
<p>You do have freedom of speech in US right? &#8211; let him pay for himself &#8211; why should the public fund a political activist?</p>
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