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	<title>Comments on: Compared Gram for Gram, Solar is Ten Times More Powerful than Nuclear</title>
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		<title>By: EL</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2010/12/23/compared-gram-for-gram-solar-is-ten-times-more-powerful-than-nuclear/#comment-74659</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[EL]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jan 2011 15:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Uranium also has to be developed on the front end to be used as a fuel source: refining from naturally occurring ore into yellowcake, conversion (into uranium hexafluoride), enrichment, and fuel fabrication.  These are very intensive energy processes at the front end, and sometimes result in high carbon emissions and pollution (which author includes via StormSmith).  The crucial variable for solar is not conversion of materials, but variability of light source (latitude, cloud cover, etc.).  Not sure of the author&#039;s assumptions on this basis.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uranium also has to be developed on the front end to be used as a fuel source: refining from naturally occurring ore into yellowcake, conversion (into uranium hexafluoride), enrichment, and fuel fabrication.  These are very intensive energy processes at the front end, and sometimes result in high carbon emissions and pollution (which author includes via StormSmith).  The crucial variable for solar is not conversion of materials, but variability of light source (latitude, cloud cover, etc.).  Not sure of the author&#8217;s assumptions on this basis.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Kraemer</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2010/12/23/compared-gram-for-gram-solar-is-ten-times-more-powerful-than-nuclear/#comment-70179</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan Kraemer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jan 2011 00:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[(Re Cadmium telluride?) As I remember, the author worked in the thinfilm biz, so he had the numbers at hand.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Re Cadmium telluride?) As I remember, the author worked in the thinfilm biz, so he had the numbers at hand.</p>
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		<title>By: Snake Oil Baron</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2010/12/23/compared-gram-for-gram-solar-is-ten-times-more-powerful-than-nuclear/#comment-70171</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Snake Oil Baron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jan 2011 00:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cadmium telluride? Why not do the comparison with silicon PV which is currently dominating the market? Is there enough of these raw materials to supply a good fraction of humanity&#039;s future energy use while still supplying other uses for these substances? Solar might be useful in a lot of instances but I would be surprised if nuclear wasn&#039;t the go-to power for certain contexts given that it can be used in places where vast tracts of land and/or unshaded roof space are not available.

Uranium and coal mines look nasty at close range but are tiny areas of land compared to the whole. They can be reclaimed though it takes a while so enviros can always show early days of reclamation and claim it proves that reclamation is inadequate. 

As for nuclear waste, two types of radioactive elements are produced: short half-life ones which are economically and medically valuable and long half-life ones that are less dangerous and can be easilly stored until uses are found for them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cadmium telluride? Why not do the comparison with silicon PV which is currently dominating the market? Is there enough of these raw materials to supply a good fraction of humanity&#8217;s future energy use while still supplying other uses for these substances? Solar might be useful in a lot of instances but I would be surprised if nuclear wasn&#8217;t the go-to power for certain contexts given that it can be used in places where vast tracts of land and/or unshaded roof space are not available.</p>
<p>Uranium and coal mines look nasty at close range but are tiny areas of land compared to the whole. They can be reclaimed though it takes a while so enviros can always show early days of reclamation and claim it proves that reclamation is inadequate. </p>
<p>As for nuclear waste, two types of radioactive elements are produced: short half-life ones which are economically and medically valuable and long half-life ones that are less dangerous and can be easilly stored until uses are found for them.</p>
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		<title>By: Solar Compared (Gram for Gram) to Nuclear and Coal &#8211; Planetsave.com: climate change and environmental news</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2010/12/23/compared-gram-for-gram-solar-is-ten-times-more-powerful-than-nuclear/#comment-69899</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Solar Compared (Gram for Gram) to Nuclear and Coal &#8211; Planetsave.com: climate change and environmental news]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jan 2011 09:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Interested in learning more? Read Susan&#8217;s full story here or the piece by Ken via the link above: Compared Gram for Gram, Solar is Ten Times More Powerful than Nuclear [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Interested in learning more? Read Susan&#8217;s full story here or the piece by Ken via the link above: Compared Gram for Gram, Solar is Ten Times More Powerful than Nuclear [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Cheney</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Thomas Cheney]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Dec 2010 05:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi,
I am wondering about the total amount of material like concrete and steel. Some fiqures show solar and nuclear similar in terms of life cycle GHG emissions.  Also, what about storage for photovoltaics?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,<br />
I am wondering about the total amount of material like concrete and steel. Some fiqures show solar and nuclear similar in terms of life cycle GHG emissions.  Also, what about storage for photovoltaics?</p>
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		<title>By: zafar</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2010/12/23/compared-gram-for-gram-solar-is-ten-times-more-powerful-than-nuclear/#comment-66388</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[zafar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Dec 2010 12:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[good info about both solar and nuclear energy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good info about both solar and nuclear energy.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Woods</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill Woods]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Dec 2010 04:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Of course this an apples-vs.-oranges comparison. For grins, I looked up how much fuel solar power actually takes: &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun#Core&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;6.2 e11 kilograms&lt;/a&gt; of hydrogen per second. That illuminates the Earth with &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_constant#Constant&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;1.74 e17 W&lt;/a&gt; = 48 TW-h per second. Converted to electricity at 20%, that would be 10 TW-h/s. So solar power&#039;s fuel consumption is about 60 kg/kW-h (60 million mg/kW-h). 
This could be improved enormously by building a Dyson sphere to capture the sunlight which doesn&#039;t illuminate anything of consequence. 

On the other hand, fissioning uranium or thorium produces about &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burnup#Measures_of_Burnup&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;940 GW-days/tonne&lt;/a&gt; of heat. That works out to a fuel consumption of about 0.15 mg/kW-h of electricity. Current technology only uses about 1% of the energy in natural uranium; the flip side of that is that the &#039;spent&#039; nuclear fuel and depleted uranium which have already been mined still hold a fantastic amount of energy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course this an apples-vs.-oranges comparison. For grins, I looked up how much fuel solar power actually takes: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun#Core" rel="nofollow">6.2 e11 kilograms</a> of hydrogen per second. That illuminates the Earth with <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_constant#Constant" rel="nofollow">1.74 e17 W</a> = 48 TW-h per second. Converted to electricity at 20%, that would be 10 TW-h/s. So solar power&#8217;s fuel consumption is about 60 kg/kW-h (60 million mg/kW-h).<br />
This could be improved enormously by building a Dyson sphere to capture the sunlight which doesn&#8217;t illuminate anything of consequence. </p>
<p>On the other hand, fissioning uranium or thorium produces about <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burnup#Measures_of_Burnup" rel="nofollow">940 GW-days/tonne</a> of heat. That works out to a fuel consumption of about 0.15 mg/kW-h of electricity. Current technology only uses about 1% of the energy in natural uranium; the flip side of that is that the &#8216;spent&#8217; nuclear fuel and depleted uranium which have already been mined still hold a fantastic amount of energy.</p>
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		<title>By: WV Treehugger</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[WV Treehugger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Dec 2010 23:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Uranium mining is just another way to destroy our Earth,blowing Mtn&#039;s to heck. Just like good ole Mtr. Coal mining does. Solar energy leaves the Earth,Mtn&#039;s and vital water sources untouched. Which in return leaves us with clean air,water and Mtn&#039;s. The Sun will never get used up,to me there are no comparisons.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uranium mining is just another way to destroy our Earth,blowing Mtn&#8217;s to heck. Just like good ole Mtr. Coal mining does. Solar energy leaves the Earth,Mtn&#8217;s and vital water sources untouched. Which in return leaves us with clean air,water and Mtn&#8217;s. The Sun will never get used up,to me there are no comparisons.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Emily Wilson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Dec 2010 21:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re right, Akhilesh, that this &#039;comparison&#039; of Zweibel&#039;s is more of a thought exercise than a fully-worked technical evaluation.

A true comparison of current fuel efficiency between solar and nuclear systems would not use the parameters of the older, less-efficient thermal reactors.

I would Zweibel&#039;s post as a jumping off point for your own thinking. Do not use it as the basis for an honest technical argument with anyone qualified to argue the subject.

When considered in that light, one hardly needs to go to the depth of calculating the comparative efficiency of power generative systems to know that solar has an obvious advantage in that its raw material is guaranteed to our planet for billions of years, while nuclear has an obvious advantage of continuous availability. 

These advantages cannot be directly compared. And any attempt to do so will raise honest questions such as yours.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right, Akhilesh, that this &#8216;comparison&#8217; of Zweibel&#8217;s is more of a thought exercise than a fully-worked technical evaluation.</p>
<p>A true comparison of current fuel efficiency between solar and nuclear systems would not use the parameters of the older, less-efficient thermal reactors.</p>
<p>I would Zweibel&#8217;s post as a jumping off point for your own thinking. Do not use it as the basis for an honest technical argument with anyone qualified to argue the subject.</p>
<p>When considered in that light, one hardly needs to go to the depth of calculating the comparative efficiency of power generative systems to know that solar has an obvious advantage in that its raw material is guaranteed to our planet for billions of years, while nuclear has an obvious advantage of continuous availability. </p>
<p>These advantages cannot be directly compared. And any attempt to do so will raise honest questions such as yours.</p>
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		<title>By: Akhilesh</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2010/12/23/compared-gram-for-gram-solar-is-ten-times-more-powerful-than-nuclear/#comment-66214</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Akhilesh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Dec 2010 20:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Exactly! That is why such a comparison is not very useful. It can lead an uninformed observer to the wrong conclusions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly! That is why such a comparison is not very useful. It can lead an uninformed observer to the wrong conclusions.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Kraemer</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2010/12/23/compared-gram-for-gram-solar-is-ten-times-more-powerful-than-nuclear/#comment-66058</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan Kraemer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Dec 2010 10:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Or you are restating the author&#039;s point: uranium gets used up (fuel), while solar does not have to be fed a fuel that gets used up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or you are restating the author&#8217;s point: uranium gets used up (fuel), while solar does not have to be fed a fuel that gets used up.</p>
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		<title>By: Akhilesh Magal</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Akhilesh Magal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Dec 2010 06:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think this is a fair comparison. Remember in nuclear energy, the fuel is Uranium. In Solar the fuel is not CdTe, it is the conversion technology. So when we do such a comparison we need to compare fuel v/s fuel and conversion technology v/s conversion technology. Here we do a mix-match. Although it gives us numbers that we can admire, they convey a wrong picture (i.e Solar is much more efficient in material consumption than Nuclear).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think this is a fair comparison. Remember in nuclear energy, the fuel is Uranium. In Solar the fuel is not CdTe, it is the conversion technology. So when we do such a comparison we need to compare fuel v/s fuel and conversion technology v/s conversion technology. Here we do a mix-match. Although it gives us numbers that we can admire, they convey a wrong picture (i.e Solar is much more efficient in material consumption than Nuclear).</p>
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		<title>By: Chaitanya Patankar</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chaitanya Patankar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Dec 2010 05:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is such an awesome thing to know

Solar is very much preferred as compared to nuclear..
Go Solar Goo!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is such an awesome thing to know</p>
<p>Solar is very much preferred as compared to nuclear..<br />
Go Solar Goo!!</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Enright</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jack Enright]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Dec 2010 14:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is fantastic news. I would like to add that if you couple a passive solar design with active solar panels for a residential home or commercial office you could add to the efficiency of Solar energy with a similar lifetime of at least thirty years.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is fantastic news. I would like to add that if you couple a passive solar design with active solar panels for a residential home or commercial office you could add to the efficiency of Solar energy with a similar lifetime of at least thirty years.</p>
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