Comments on: U.S. Senate Climate Change Deniers Get a Little Help from Their Friends

By: Tina Casey

Tina Casey — Wed, 02 Feb 2011 00:04:04 +0000

Note to James Fuller: I did not post your comment because it included name-calling and profanities. If you would like to represent your position in a more convincing manner, please engage in a more civil and thoughtful discussion of the scientific record, and include links to your sources. I will be happy to post it.

By: Tina Casey

Tina Casey — Tue, 02 Nov 2010 02:32:33 +0000

Nobody said there was any surprise here. The key question, aside from who is spending how much money, is which ones among these “interest groups” are interested in promoting the general welfare over the long run, and whether your definition of general welfare includes a safe and healthy environment.

By: Joe Earth

Joe Earth — Mon, 01 Nov 2010 21:21:14 +0000

I’m not sure why this is considered surprising. Industries that are affected by climate change are often multinational. Of course they would want support for their position in both the US and in Europe.

I agree with Myles Kehoe that interest groups are funding both sides of the argument. Not surprising, either.

By: Tina Casey

Tina Casey — Sat, 30 Oct 2010 12:02:55 +0000

Don: Thank you for your comment. I appreciate your civility (except for your last paragraph) even though you clearly disagree with my point of view. However, your first paragraph demonstrates that you will never accept any evidence that human activity is linked to global climate change. Such evidence exists now and you choose to ignore it. In the second paragraph, your FDA analogy is off the mark. Computer modeling is a valid method of scientific investigation and in any case, the scientific consensus on climate change is also based on what you call “clinical data,” not only on modeling. In the third and fourth paragraphs you confuse short term weather trends (2007-2009) with long term climate trends. In the fifth paragraph you raise a straw man. No-one is predicting that global efforts to control C02 emissions will risk bringing on colder temperatures in any region. Your sixth paragraph is simply insulting. This is not about two individuals, however influential they may be. Millions of far from stupid people are engaged in the effort to manage and reduce global C02 emissions, including many who are involved in business, finance, engineering, science, and any number of other skilled fields.

By: Don WV

Don WV — Sat, 30 Oct 2010 01:21:55 +0000

Tina, The scientific reality is that even the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has been unable to demonstrate a cause-and-effect scientific connection between rising human CO2 emissions and dangerous warming. To support global limits on CO2 emissions, in the absence of real-world data showing clear cause and effect, is scientific and policy incompetence on the highest order.

Imagine a drug company seeking FDA approval for a new drug, based on an analysis that says simply: “Our supercomputers say the drug is safe and effective. We have no clinical data to support this, but can think of no reason actual results would contradict what our computers predict. Moreover, failure to license the drug will be disastrous for patients suffering from the targeted disease.” Failing to demand actual dose-and-response studies, before licensing the drug, would be gross negligence on FDA’s part.

Between 2007 and 2009, U.S. carbon dioxide emissions dropped approximately 10%, to their lowest level since 1995, largely because of reduced energy consumption during the recession. Similar CO2 emission reductions occurred in Britain, Germany, France and Japan.

Have their climates gotten better or less dangerous? Are they now a better place, for having a lower intensity carbon energy diet? Have global temperatures been statistically unchanged since 1995 because, or in spite of, Chinese and Indian carbon dioxide emissions increasing far more than the aforementioned countries reduced theirs?
The central issue is not whether rising CO2 levels will cause a warmer planet. The fundamental concern is whether globally warmer temperatures are factually worse (or better) for human societies — and more (or less) damaging to the environment — than colder temperatures (like those experienced during the ice ages and Little Ice Age).
Al Gore and Bill Gates need to consider the likelihood that, driven by changes in solar activity and ocean circulation, Earth will cool significantly over coming decades. Damaging the global economy with ineffectual carbon dioxide controls, in a futile quest to “stop global warming,” looks stupid now.

By: Tina Casey

Tina Casey — Wed, 27 Oct 2010 11:20:44 +0000

Myles Kehoe: I believe that your central point is that we should be focusing on renewable energy and pollution control based on their own merits. I agree. However I disagree strongly regarding your secondary point, which seems to be that there are no other merits. In addition, your secondary point contradicts your main point. Excess greenhouse gases are pollutants (an otherwise harmless substance can be a pollutant when it occurs in excess), so they fall into that category of “keeping pollution out of our waterways ets.” that you argue should be the focus of our efforts. The IPCC reports (I believe that’s what you mean — I don’t know what IPPC is) consist of the “real science that is peer reviewed” regarding the connection between human activity, greenhouse gasses and global warming. Denying the existence of a measurable phenomenon will not make it any less measurable.

By: myles kehoe

myles kehoe — Wed, 27 Oct 2010 02:48:29 +0000

dont worry about the money both sides are being funded by seld interest groups
be smart and follow the science
the real science that is peer reviewed
not the rubbish that comes from the IPPC scientists whos actions in diseminating false information is misleading
who pays their salary
real debate on the science does not get a chance because of the interest groups pushing their own barrow

the the debate and effort should be on renewable energy ,keeping pollution out of our waterways ets
not this mindless discussion on carbon pollution which does not make sence
co2 is not the cause of dangerous global warming
there are so many other threats to the environment that the real issues are being forgotton