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	<title>Comments on: Cars Cause Global Warming More than Planes, Study Finds</title>
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		<title>By: Commercial moving rochester</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2010/08/09/cars-cause-global-warming-more-than-planes-study-finds/#comment-179041</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Commercial moving rochester]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Aug 2013 06:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I didn&#039;t think about that at once.. but if they say . so something right for sure..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t think about that at once.. but if they say . so something right for sure..</p>
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		<title>By: litebrite</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2010/08/09/cars-cause-global-warming-more-than-planes-study-finds/#comment-178228</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[litebrite]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Aug 2013 21:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have heard that trains can be more efficient than planes as well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have heard that trains can be more efficient than planes as well.</p>
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		<title>By: bob</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2010/08/09/cars-cause-global-warming-more-than-planes-study-finds/#comment-139572</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2012 01:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[plane.

The study, “Specific Climate Impact of Passenger and Freight Transport,” finds that, in the short run, planes cause more global warming because they create more short-lived warming processes at high altitudes.

However, when you take ‘everything’ — long- and short-lived gases, aerosols and cloud effects from transportation around the world — into account, an average car trip increases global temperatures more than an average flight the same distance.
Clean Technica (http://s.tt/12tnj)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>plane.</p>
<p>The study, “Specific Climate Impact of Passenger and Freight Transport,” finds that, in the short run, planes cause more global warming because they create more short-lived warming processes at high altitudes.</p>
<p>However, when you take ‘everything’ — long- and short-lived gases, aerosols and cloud effects from transportation around the world — into account, an average car trip increases global temperatures more than an average flight the same distance.<br />
Clean Technica (<a href="http://s.tt/12tnj" rel="nofollow">http://s.tt/12tnj</a>)</p>
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		<title>By: bob</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2010/08/09/cars-cause-global-warming-more-than-planes-study-finds/#comment-139571</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2012 01:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[hello bikes are bad]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hello bikes are bad</p>
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		<title>By: Paul3461</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2010/08/09/cars-cause-global-warming-more-than-planes-study-finds/#comment-107388</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul3461]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 03:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[we had global warming long before the first car was ever made otherwise how did the ice age end its all a load of cobblers and just an excuse for greedy governments accross the globe to hike up the price of fuel etc]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we had global warming long before the first car was ever made otherwise how did the ice age end its all a load of cobblers and just an excuse for greedy governments accross the globe to hike up the price of fuel etc</p>
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		<title>By: malignant non hodgkins lymphoma</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2010/08/09/cars-cause-global-warming-more-than-planes-study-finds/#comment-48686</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[malignant non hodgkins lymphoma]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 21:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[America needs for being educated properly in the actual sciences.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>America needs for being educated properly in the actual sciences.</p>
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		<title>By: Georgia Drivers Ed</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2010/08/09/cars-cause-global-warming-more-than-planes-study-finds/#comment-29978</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Georgia Drivers Ed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Sep 2010 06:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In Today&#039;s world the most buzz topic is global warning and how to protect ourselves from this. Always awareness of things causes global warning is necessary to reduce at least a small %.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Today&#8217;s world the most buzz topic is global warning and how to protect ourselves from this. Always awareness of things causes global warning is necessary to reduce at least a small %.</p>
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		<title>By: Drivers Ed Georgia</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2010/08/09/cars-cause-global-warming-more-than-planes-study-finds/#comment-11303</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Drivers Ed Georgia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 21:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cars Cause Global Warming More than Planes..., trains and buses cause even four to five times less global warming pollution really interesting stats but to use bus or train services we should have proper public transportation system]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cars Cause Global Warming More than Planes&#8230;, trains and buses cause even four to five times less global warming pollution really interesting stats but to use bus or train services we should have proper public transportation system</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2010/08/09/cars-cause-global-warming-more-than-planes-study-finds/#comment-11302</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2010 18:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[haha :D

nice to get some fun in these comments once in awhile :D

Thanks, Donald]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>haha <img src="http://cleantechnica.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
<p>nice to get some fun in these comments once in awhile <img src="http://cleantechnica.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
<p>Thanks, Donald</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2010/08/09/cars-cause-global-warming-more-than-planes-study-finds/#comment-11300</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2010 16:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[re: cars being more efficient than bikes -- i have never seen a study show this &amp; have seen several show otherwise. do you have something to share?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: cars being more efficient than bikes &#8212; i have never seen a study show this &amp; have seen several show otherwise. do you have something to share?</p>
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		<title>By: Donald</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2010/08/09/cars-cause-global-warming-more-than-planes-study-finds/#comment-11301</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Donald]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2010 14:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Zachary:



Considering that the article has nothing to do with bicycles and that the claim is preposterous, I think Sven was just a Hummer-driving troll who hates the world.  ;-)



But seriously, the only cars that have a chance at matching bicycles in efficiency right now are electric-driven clown cars (where the number of clowns exceeds 20).  And even then I would be skeptical.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Zachary:</p>
<p>Considering that the article has nothing to do with bicycles and that the claim is preposterous, I think Sven was just a Hummer-driving troll who hates the world.  <img src="http://cleantechnica.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" alt=";-)" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
<p>But seriously, the only cars that have a chance at matching bicycles in efficiency right now are electric-driven clown cars (where the number of clowns exceeds 20).  And even then I would be skeptical.</p>
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		<title>By: Sven</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2010/08/09/cars-cause-global-warming-more-than-planes-study-finds/#comment-11299</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sven]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2010 16:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cars are actually much more efficient than bicycles.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cars are actually much more efficient than bicycles.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Gazzard</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2010/08/09/cars-cause-global-warming-more-than-planes-study-finds/#comment-11298</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Gazzard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2010 14:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reference the news item above “Study: Cars warm climate more than planes” – err, not quite!



This European CICERO paper does makes some very interesting and possibly useful observations but its analyses of transport modes on an emissions per kilometre basis where direct substitution is not possible is frankly pointless.



This report shows us that global car emission volumes are greater than those from air transport; long term car greenhouse gas emissions will therefore have a greater impact on climate change than flying. Nobody disputes this. But it is easier to reduce vehicle emissions than those of kerosene-dependent aircraft – there are no hybrid planes, for instance. And aviation emissions are increasing at a faster pace so overtime, aviation emissions become a much higher percentage of total CO2.



The headline is actually derived from the study’s emissions per kilometre work – using a low occupancy car (1 person – the driver!) versus a high occupancy large modern aircraft to make per kilometre efficiency claims and comparisons regarding hypothetical long distance travel is unclear and unhelpful. I don’t know anyone who has actually driven across the Atlantic.



If the study is correct we’d fly coal around and travel on cargo-ships to the US. Where direct modal substitution is concerned, then it’s a useful tool. A ‘real’ example would be Eastern US short-sea shipping vs rail vs lorry vs cargo aircraft.



Knowing what their g CO2/km is down to an individual aircraft/car/ship type AND is entirely dependent on load factor. A full previous generation MD80 is a much better option under this analysis than a 3/4 full latest generation A320 or B737-800 but thankfully even airlines replace gas-guzzlers in real life.



The authors conclusion that demand for ALL forms of fossil fuel based travel; car, van, lorry, ships and planes – needs to be minimised urgently is the important take away message from this study. They are not saying flying is better for the environment than car travel!



Jeff Gazzard]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reference the news item above “Study: Cars warm climate more than planes” – err, not quite!</p>
<p>This European CICERO paper does makes some very interesting and possibly useful observations but its analyses of transport modes on an emissions per kilometre basis where direct substitution is not possible is frankly pointless.</p>
<p>This report shows us that global car emission volumes are greater than those from air transport; long term car greenhouse gas emissions will therefore have a greater impact on climate change than flying. Nobody disputes this. But it is easier to reduce vehicle emissions than those of kerosene-dependent aircraft – there are no hybrid planes, for instance. And aviation emissions are increasing at a faster pace so overtime, aviation emissions become a much higher percentage of total CO2.</p>
<p>The headline is actually derived from the study’s emissions per kilometre work – using a low occupancy car (1 person – the driver!) versus a high occupancy large modern aircraft to make per kilometre efficiency claims and comparisons regarding hypothetical long distance travel is unclear and unhelpful. I don’t know anyone who has actually driven across the Atlantic.</p>
<p>If the study is correct we’d fly coal around and travel on cargo-ships to the US. Where direct modal substitution is concerned, then it’s a useful tool. A ‘real’ example would be Eastern US short-sea shipping vs rail vs lorry vs cargo aircraft.</p>
<p>Knowing what their g CO2/km is down to an individual aircraft/car/ship type AND is entirely dependent on load factor. A full previous generation MD80 is a much better option under this analysis than a 3/4 full latest generation A320 or B737-800 but thankfully even airlines replace gas-guzzlers in real life.</p>
<p>The authors conclusion that demand for ALL forms of fossil fuel based travel; car, van, lorry, ships and planes – needs to be minimised urgently is the important take away message from this study. They are not saying flying is better for the environment than car travel!</p>
<p>Jeff Gazzard</p>
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