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	<title>Comments on: Internal Combustion Engines Are Still 85% Inefficient</title>
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		<title>By: Paul Borner</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Borner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Nov 2010 02:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[air resistance 2.6% and stereo,???  The greatest amount of energy use in a fast moving vehical is air resistance.
  We have developed a new internal combustion engine.  BESS.  Look at PaulBorner.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>air resistance 2.6% and stereo,???  The greatest amount of energy use in a fast moving vehical is air resistance.<br />
  We have developed a new internal combustion engine.  BESS.  Look at PaulBorner.com</p>
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		<title>By: California Solar Engineering</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[California Solar Engineering]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2010 15:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is the worst part of all of the exciting updates with renewable energies- most of them dont touch on transportation fuel, Really the biggest thing we can do to cut down on our fuel consumed is to look at our trucks. If we could clean just our the fuel that ships our average food 5,500 miles before it reaches our plates we will be in a MUCH better place. The rest can be step 2]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the worst part of all of the exciting updates with renewable energies- most of them dont touch on transportation fuel, Really the biggest thing we can do to cut down on our fuel consumed is to look at our trucks. If we could clean just our the fuel that ships our average food 5,500 miles before it reaches our plates we will be in a MUCH better place. The rest can be step 2</p>
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		<title>By: Rom</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2010 13:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[At least change the title to correctly reflect the loss being to the entire car and not just the engine.  You say car, then go on to do the math for the brakes, drive train, AC, etc..  Electric cars will have things like AC and radios. You should leave those out.  Also, how they build the electric car affects the amount of waste or efficiency as well. motors at the wheel do not waste on drive train for example.



I am a big supporter of electric drive cars but I want to be sure the information being put out is accurate so as to not bring unwarranted negative attention.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At least change the title to correctly reflect the loss being to the entire car and not just the engine.  You say car, then go on to do the math for the brakes, drive train, AC, etc..  Electric cars will have things like AC and radios. You should leave those out.  Also, how they build the electric car affects the amount of waste or efficiency as well. motors at the wheel do not waste on drive train for example.</p>
<p>I am a big supporter of electric drive cars but I want to be sure the information being put out is accurate so as to not bring unwarranted negative attention.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Kraemer</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2010/08/07/internal-combustion-engines-are-still-85-inefficient/#comment-10744</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan Kraemer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Aug 2010 20:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Rick Thanks, fixed.

Good points... we are in serious trouble, all right. More &quot;stuff&quot; - the asphalt for roads to drive on, also made with oil.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Rick Thanks, fixed.</p>
<p>Good points&#8230; we are in serious trouble, all right. More &#8220;stuff&#8221; &#8211; the asphalt for roads to drive on, also made with oil.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Dworsky</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rick Dworsky]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Aug 2010 19:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That should be: &quot;62% of that loss is right in the DRIVE TRAIN.&quot;



See: http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/atv.shtml



Drive train, gas tank -- only a matter of details... The real problem is that those of us living in the &#039;civilized&#039; world will soon be facing severe fossil fuel shortages and the end of life as we have known it. Electric cars to solve the problem? Not a chance. The global economy is already imploding -- and we haven&#039;t even begun to accelerate down the far side of Peak Fossil Resources yet... so how the heck are the members of &#039;civilization&#039; supposed to afford electric cars? Meanwhile 95% of the global rare earth mineral ores, necessary to build electric cars, is in China -- and they have banned the export of such materials in the raw, they will only sell them as finished products...  Simple, easy, non-functional answers only make sense to the uninformed.  Without sufficient fossil fuels we will be encountering big problems; We grow, ship, store and cook most of our food with oil and natural gas -- so clearly we can expect famines on an unprecedented scale, then massive epidemics. Most of the water used in the civilized world is pumped with energy derived from fossil fuels... most of our medicines... plastics... paints... think about it, most of the &#039;stuff&#039; that comprises &#039;civilization&#039; is made from and moved with, fossil fuels. Last but not least, using fossil fuels is causing Catastrophic Climate Changes... which unchecked will cause our EXTINCTION. If we don&#039;t want to die, then we have to change.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That should be: &#8220;62% of that loss is right in the DRIVE TRAIN.&#8221;</p>
<p>See: <a href="http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/atv.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/atv.shtml</a></p>
<p>Drive train, gas tank &#8212; only a matter of details&#8230; The real problem is that those of us living in the &#8216;civilized&#8217; world will soon be facing severe fossil fuel shortages and the end of life as we have known it. Electric cars to solve the problem? Not a chance. The global economy is already imploding &#8212; and we haven&#8217;t even begun to accelerate down the far side of Peak Fossil Resources yet&#8230; so how the heck are the members of &#8216;civilization&#8217; supposed to afford electric cars? Meanwhile 95% of the global rare earth mineral ores, necessary to build electric cars, is in China &#8212; and they have banned the export of such materials in the raw, they will only sell them as finished products&#8230;  Simple, easy, non-functional answers only make sense to the uninformed.  Without sufficient fossil fuels we will be encountering big problems; We grow, ship, store and cook most of our food with oil and natural gas &#8212; so clearly we can expect famines on an unprecedented scale, then massive epidemics. Most of the water used in the civilized world is pumped with energy derived from fossil fuels&#8230; most of our medicines&#8230; plastics&#8230; paints&#8230; think about it, most of the &#8216;stuff&#8217; that comprises &#8216;civilization&#8217; is made from and moved with, fossil fuels. Last but not least, using fossil fuels is causing Catastrophic Climate Changes&#8230; which unchecked will cause our EXTINCTION. If we don&#8217;t want to die, then we have to change.</p>
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		<title>By: JTH</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JTH]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Aug 2010 17:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[EV only twice as efficient, until you consider generation and transmission losses.



Now let&#039;s consider the rest:

Idling - that can be solved, some by traffic control, some by &quot;instant on&quot; controls.

Also there are variable displacement engines - shut off cylinders when not needed.



Regenerative braking - which I like with Hybrids



Drivetrain - maybe EV can be a bit better, if you place motors in hubs (but then you have nasty suspension issues - unsprung weight is bad)



Rolling resistance - tires - trade off of traction vs rolling resistance, AND proper inflation is major issue - moot



Air resistance applies to all vehicles - moot

Stereo, A/C etc also applies to all - moot



Lets now look at the energy to make the batteries, disposal, carrying excess weight of batteries when partially discharged.



Conclusion - inconclusive

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[SK: That&#039;s why I think distributed solar is key for charging EVs, no transmission line losses from your roof, DC to AC loses some, but again, any wasted solar energy is not heating up our habitat]&lt;/em&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EV only twice as efficient, until you consider generation and transmission losses.</p>
<p>Now let&#8217;s consider the rest:</p>
<p>Idling &#8211; that can be solved, some by traffic control, some by &#8220;instant on&#8221; controls.</p>
<p>Also there are variable displacement engines &#8211; shut off cylinders when not needed.</p>
<p>Regenerative braking &#8211; which I like with Hybrids</p>
<p>Drivetrain &#8211; maybe EV can be a bit better, if you place motors in hubs (but then you have nasty suspension issues &#8211; unsprung weight is bad)</p>
<p>Rolling resistance &#8211; tires &#8211; trade off of traction vs rolling resistance, AND proper inflation is major issue &#8211; moot</p>
<p>Air resistance applies to all vehicles &#8211; moot</p>
<p>Stereo, A/C etc also applies to all &#8211; moot</p>
<p>Lets now look at the energy to make the batteries, disposal, carrying excess weight of batteries when partially discharged.</p>
<p>Conclusion &#8211; inconclusive</p>
<p><em></p>
<p>[SK: That&#8217;s why I think distributed solar is key for charging EVs, no transmission line losses from your roof, DC to AC loses some, but again, any wasted solar energy is not heating up our habitat]</em></p>
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		<title>By: NOtis</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[NOtis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Aug 2010 15:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Care to explain how 62% is wasted in the gas tank?  I&#039;m not doubting the EPA&#039;s number, just annoyed by the ambiguous way it was reported in the article.



Additionally, you might want to consider citing actual solar efficiencies (instead of just saying that they&#039;re not that efficient); it would definitely dull the sharp twinge of propaganda you have going here. Also consider re-wording your claim that wasted solar energy (sunshine) doesn&#039;t cause climate change.  After all, greenhouse gasses don&#039;t cause a greenhouse effect if there&#039;s no solar radiation for them to trap.



I&#039;m all for EV&#039;s and renewable energy sources.  I just don&#039;t like bad reporting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Care to explain how 62% is wasted in the gas tank?  I&#8217;m not doubting the EPA&#8217;s number, just annoyed by the ambiguous way it was reported in the article.</p>
<p>Additionally, you might want to consider citing actual solar efficiencies (instead of just saying that they&#8217;re not that efficient); it would definitely dull the sharp twinge of propaganda you have going here. Also consider re-wording your claim that wasted solar energy (sunshine) doesn&#8217;t cause climate change.  After all, greenhouse gasses don&#8217;t cause a greenhouse effect if there&#8217;s no solar radiation for them to trap.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m all for EV&#8217;s and renewable energy sources.  I just don&#8217;t like bad reporting.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ben]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Aug 2010 06:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not much longer.



We R developing a significant efficiency superior engine]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not much longer.</p>
<p>We R developing a significant efficiency superior engine</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patrick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Aug 2010 05:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have a 4kW PV system and drive an electric truck. When gas was $4 per gallon, it was nice to get &quot;free fuel&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a 4kW PV system and drive an electric truck. When gas was $4 per gallon, it was nice to get &#8220;free fuel&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel J Swanson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel J Swanson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Aug 2010 05:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This article needs a lot of work. There are so many problems with it, that I won&#039;t start even though my finders are itching at the keyboard starting with the headline. I will try to be supportive, and assume that you are trying to do a good job. I am always thankful when people are discussing energy issues. If you would like have a discussion to lead to a more accurate understanding of the issues that you bring up please write.







Dan]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article needs a lot of work. There are so many problems with it, that I won&#8217;t start even though my finders are itching at the keyboard starting with the headline. I will try to be supportive, and assume that you are trying to do a good job. I am always thankful when people are discussing energy issues. If you would like have a discussion to lead to a more accurate understanding of the issues that you bring up please write.</p>
<p>Dan</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Wolfe</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Wolfe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Aug 2010 01:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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Jeff Wolfe, CEO, groSolar]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We sell financed systems in CA, MA, NJ, and PA. Working with SunRun for financing, we can provide electric rates similar to or LOWER than the utility, while supplying clean, safe, solar power right on your roof!</p>
<p>Now is the time to install solar, not just to power an EV, but also to power everything else electric in your home. Solar is very reliable, is simple (no batteries), and affordable just about everywhere. In CT, VT, MD, DE, VA, NH, DC, NY, we don&#8217;t offer financing (yet), but systems are still very affordable and create inexpensive electricity.</p>
<p>Jeff Wolfe, CEO, groSolar</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[George]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Aug 2010 23:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What a load of crap!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a load of crap!</p>
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