Comments on: Fossil Fuels Get Tons More in Subsidies than Renewable Energy

By: mds

mds — Sun, 22 Aug 2010 23:14:20 +0000

btw We should be able to stop subsiding solar in 5 to 10 years. It will be well below grid parity in the USA sunbelt by then and will be flying fine on it’s own. See graph of price trend for solar at this link:

http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2010/08/test10 “Welcome to the Revolution: Emanuel Sachs and Frank van Mierlo” – August 2010

“The founders of Cambridge MA-based 1366 Technologies discuss their groundbreaking work.”

By: mds

mds — Sun, 22 Aug 2010 23:04:42 +0000

Zachary,

I agree we should not be subsidizing a mature industries like the fossil fuels, but you’ve made this into a debate about reducing CO2 for climate change reasons. Why not mention reasons for susidizing renewables instead of fossil fuels that we are more likely to agree on in the USA:

1. Our oil money funds terrorism and hostile countries overseas. We need to stop supporting that.

2. Our expenditures on imported oil are bankrupting the country and the swelling deficit is hurting our economy.

3. Solar is dropping in cost at a high rate and will be the cheapest source of power in the near future. The cost of fossil fuels will continue to go up periodicly.

4. We should terminate our sudsidies for fossil fuels. We are already paying too much in Iraq (especially in lives lost) and in the Gulf. These are mature and profitable industries. Why do they need tax payer “help”? They can pay for their own process improvements. No more corporate charity!

5. We should double or triple our spending to “help” solar, storage, nuclear, and extended-range electric vehicles. If we do step 4 first then we will still be reducing federal spending AND all of these are investments in the future which will bring new jobs, new manufacturing, cheaper energy, and as a result SAVINGS.

We need to invest in the future, not the past.

GW is a side argument and a bit of a sideshow to boot. CO2 reduction can come along the ride. It will be the side product of the energy technology changes we need to make anyway! Who cares if AGW is true!

Think about it. Broaden your view past the GW issue.

Mike

By: Zachary Shahan

Zachary Shahan — Sun, 01 Aug 2010 19:39:24 +0000

i agree, for sure, with the way to win people over argument, but i also think it won’t take too long before the obviousness of climate change is something you can’t ignore. it is already becoming more and more obvious in everyday life (not just science).

on the fact that science comes to conclusions which are sometimes wrong,.. for sure. but this is not about bumblebees. again, encourage anyone in doubt to check out the links above.

By: Zachary Shahan

Zachary Shahan — Sun, 01 Aug 2010 13:32:37 +0000

yes, it is as conclusive as just about anything gets in science. the two probably most prestigious scientific bodies in the world have backed up the science and said it is beyond time to act on the matter. see: http://planetsave.com/blog/blog/2010/05/07/255-leading-scientists-11-nobel-laureates-write-letter-supporting-climate-scientists-climate-science/ & http://planetsave.com/blog/blog/2010/06/27/the-scientists-do-agree-on-global-warming/ & http://planetsave.com/blog/blog/2010/07/30/global-warming-in-5-minutes-from-a-top-hedge-fund-manager/

By: LouG

LouG — Sun, 01 Aug 2010 12:09:22 +0000

Re: Proof: When I was a child it was “proved” that bumblebees could not fly. Years later it was “proved” that they could. I do not buy the arguement that “… 10 Million Frenchmen can’t be wrong”. It does appear that climate change arguements are strong with some audiences but fail to impress the American taxpayer. To effect change, argue the pocketbook. Oil companies are costing the taxpayer a lot of money – maybe that will awaken votes more that the climate change arguement. LouG

By: Keith

Keith — Sun, 01 Aug 2010 04:00:16 +0000

Yes, fossil fuels are heavily subsidized. And those subsidies should be ended. But fossil fuels are subsidized at a far lower level per unit of energy produced than biofuels, solar or wind energy. Let’s end all energy subsidies and see what happens.

By: Mark Raeder

Mark Raeder — Sat, 31 Jul 2010 17:59:55 +0000

Zach- Great point that I try to make to colleagues all the time. Too often these types of stats don’t sink in until people see them in print.

-Mark

By: Khürt L Williams

Khürt L Williams — Sat, 31 Jul 2010 11:57:42 +0000

Is there any direct evidence that human behaviour accounts for global warming? Do we know that the planet has never ever in it’s million year history under gone climate change?