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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Oct 2010 15:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[what are you goth?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what are you goth?</p>
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		<title>By: garret</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jun 2010 14:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is the most elementary, silly post about cap and trade.



The comparison with capping Ozone has been widely shown foolish - carbon has impossibly higher technological needs!



I like what is happening with the &quot;deadly silence&quot; on this foolish idea overall.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the most elementary, silly post about cap and trade.</p>
<p>The comparison with capping Ozone has been widely shown foolish &#8211; carbon has impossibly higher technological needs!</p>
<p>I like what is happening with the &#8220;deadly silence&#8221; on this foolish idea overall.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Hewitt</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill Hewitt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great, succinct treatment of the fact that cap-and-trade can and does work.  Another positive aspect is the whole area of offsets.  The Kyoto Protocol&#039;s Clean Development Mechanism will have dispersed nearly 1.8 billion bankable Certified Emission Reduction credits to the developing world by the end of 2012, not to mention having been the major stimulus, in many cases, for over two thousand quite effective and sustainable projects. Under a U.S. cap-and-trade law, these sort of offset projects will be available to farmers, renewable energy developers, green builders, etc, etc.



I think you rightly identify the very serious problem of the Left thinking that cap-and-trade is a scheme invented by The Street.  See my post here (http://climatechange.foreignpolicyblogs.com/2010/05/20/the-facts-of-cap-and-trade/) in which I look at the facts of cap-and-trade.  This includes an exchange with a writer for Annie Leonard’s popular - and misguided - video, &quot;The Story of Cap-and-Trade.&quot;  Nat Keohane&#039;s video has the facts.  So do you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great, succinct treatment of the fact that cap-and-trade can and does work.  Another positive aspect is the whole area of offsets.  The Kyoto Protocol&#8217;s Clean Development Mechanism will have dispersed nearly 1.8 billion bankable Certified Emission Reduction credits to the developing world by the end of 2012, not to mention having been the major stimulus, in many cases, for over two thousand quite effective and sustainable projects. Under a U.S. cap-and-trade law, these sort of offset projects will be available to farmers, renewable energy developers, green builders, etc, etc.</p>
<p>I think you rightly identify the very serious problem of the Left thinking that cap-and-trade is a scheme invented by The Street.  See my post here (<a href="http://climatechange.foreignpolicyblogs.com/2010/05/20/the-facts-of-cap-and-trade/" rel="nofollow">http://climatechange.foreignpolicyblogs.com/2010/05/20/the-facts-of-cap-and-trade/</a>) in which I look at the facts of cap-and-trade.  This includes an exchange with a writer for Annie Leonard’s popular &#8211; and misguided &#8211; video, &#8220;The Story of Cap-and-Trade.&#8221;  Nat Keohane&#8217;s video has the facts.  So do you.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Kraemer</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan Kraemer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 06:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ed -The climate bill does do a.b.and c. But uses cap-and-trade revenue, not the carbon tax.



How would a carbon tax set a limit on total carbon pollution? The aim is to stop climate change, like the aim under Montreal Protocol was to close the Ozone hole.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed -The climate bill does do a.b.and c. But uses cap-and-trade revenue, not the carbon tax.</p>
<p>How would a carbon tax set a limit on total carbon pollution? The aim is to stop climate change, like the aim under Montreal Protocol was to close the Ozone hole.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Swanson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ed Swanson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 03:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If Congress chose simple carbon pricing, in lieu of arcane financial tools, consideration could be given to adopting a National tax schedule with published annual rates, projected out until National security and energy choice objectives are achieved.



Many support this approach (instead of a casino-like commodity market) to progressively discourage use of dirty fuels, improve national security, and to allow revenue to be used as a &quot;public good&quot; for:

a) PAYING TAX REFUNDS FOR ALLOCATED CONSUMPTION CREDITS (using established tax refund tools) to USA citizens and legal residents who file income tax returns (or for those who receive social security benefits);

b) FUNDING CLEAN ENERGY RESEARCH, and

c) PAYING DOWN the National Debt.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Congress chose simple carbon pricing, in lieu of arcane financial tools, consideration could be given to adopting a National tax schedule with published annual rates, projected out until National security and energy choice objectives are achieved.</p>
<p>Many support this approach (instead of a casino-like commodity market) to progressively discourage use of dirty fuels, improve national security, and to allow revenue to be used as a &#8220;public good&#8221; for:</p>
<p>a) PAYING TAX REFUNDS FOR ALLOCATED CONSUMPTION CREDITS (using established tax refund tools) to USA citizens and legal residents who file income tax returns (or for those who receive social security benefits);</p>
<p>b) FUNDING CLEAN ENERGY RESEARCH, and</p>
<p>c) PAYING DOWN the National Debt.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Kraemer</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2010/06/08/five-good-things-cap-and-trade-has-done-for-you/#comment-9665</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan Kraemer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 01:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Megan - agreed.



But I do title the list &quot;Here’s five pollutants we already reduced using cap-and-trade&quot;.



..and I include the mushy real life details in the body like &quot;SO2 emissions from the power sector decreased from 16 million tons in 1990 to 10 million tons in 2005, and now a 50% reduction has been achieved in the 20 years of the program&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Megan &#8211; agreed.</p>
<p>But I do title the list &#8220;Here’s five pollutants we already reduced using cap-and-trade&#8221;.</p>
<p>..and I include the mushy real life details in the body like &#8220;SO2 emissions from the power sector decreased from 16 million tons in 1990 to 10 million tons in 2005, and now a 50% reduction has been achieved in the 20 years of the program&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Megan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Megan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 01:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While some of these pollutants have definitely been reduced and the situations you&#039;ve listed have significantly improved, I think it&#039;s important that you realize that these things haven&#039;t gone away completely. You can&#039;t just say, &quot;We have no acid rain now,&quot; or that the ozone hole is closed. I would advise you to be a little more careful with your word choice.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While some of these pollutants have definitely been reduced and the situations you&#8217;ve listed have significantly improved, I think it&#8217;s important that you realize that these things haven&#8217;t gone away completely. You can&#8217;t just say, &#8220;We have no acid rain now,&#8221; or that the ozone hole is closed. I would advise you to be a little more careful with your word choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Kraemer</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan Kraemer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2010 18:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, every idea in these bills have been thoroughly debated for years, some for decades. You can listen to all the energy hearings at capitolhillhearings.org and you will quickly understand that the Republican obstruction is longstanding and truly not in good faith, like you imagine. Most Republicans saying &quot;we can&#039;t do anything on climate because China and India&quot; and then leaving the room, and leaving just the Democrats to question winesses on options for how to speed up FERC reviews of offshore wind power or whatever each hearing is about.



They voted against almost every idea in these bills multiple times since 1993.



Here&#039;s all the environment roll call votes 1993-2008 you can sift through if you don&#039;t believe me:

http://www.matternetwork.com/2008/9/mccains-50-votes-against-clean.cfm



It took 6 to 8 times to get the production tax credits passed (by being snuck into Bush bank bailout), the Renewable Energy Standard has been filibustered by them when out of power at least 6 times. It never gets introduced when they are IN power.



As to the urgency. Just as you and I believe scientific evidence in every other field, from engineers who make bridges stay up, to develop cancer cures, to do the theory and see it works to build and orbit space shuttles, so I believe scientists when they say that this has become EXTREMELY urgent.



There was less pushback on Ozone only because refrigerant industry was not the most powerful and profitable industry on the planet, and it was not going to put them out of business.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, every idea in these bills have been thoroughly debated for years, some for decades. You can listen to all the energy hearings at capitolhillhearings.org and you will quickly understand that the Republican obstruction is longstanding and truly not in good faith, like you imagine. Most Republicans saying &#8220;we can&#8217;t do anything on climate because China and India&#8221; and then leaving the room, and leaving just the Democrats to question winesses on options for how to speed up FERC reviews of offshore wind power or whatever each hearing is about.</p>
<p>They voted against almost every idea in these bills multiple times since 1993.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s all the environment roll call votes 1993-2008 you can sift through if you don&#8217;t believe me:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.matternetwork.com/2008/9/mccains-50-votes-against-clean.cfm" rel="nofollow">http://www.matternetwork.com/2008/9/mccains-50-votes-against-clean.cfm</a></p>
<p>It took 6 to 8 times to get the production tax credits passed (by being snuck into Bush bank bailout), the Renewable Energy Standard has been filibustered by them when out of power at least 6 times. It never gets introduced when they are IN power.</p>
<p>As to the urgency. Just as you and I believe scientific evidence in every other field, from engineers who make bridges stay up, to develop cancer cures, to do the theory and see it works to build and orbit space shuttles, so I believe scientists when they say that this has become EXTREMELY urgent.</p>
<p>There was less pushback on Ozone only because refrigerant industry was not the most powerful and profitable industry on the planet, and it was not going to put them out of business.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger L</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roger L]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2010 17:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Susan:



Each one of the previous Cap and Trade implementations was done slowly and incrementally with if I am not mistaken considerable debate and with factored in long term implementation schemes.  In fact if you look closely at the data you will probably find that the results of the implementations above most likely far exceed the original expectations. Most of the cap and trade ideas now (IMHO) are rushed and factored in as one big package accepted as a take or leave it from the politicians and typically presented in the approach that we don&#039;t have time and the earth will die etc. etc if we don&#039;t implement all of it now.   If Congress would incrementally bring the items in front of the public and pass them as such with similar incremental implementation periods I believe they would be accepted.  In fact some of the more intelligent Republicans have suggested such an incremental approach on each item but been shot down.  If this approach was taken you would probably not have the polarizing approach that the debate over health care had with its all or nothing debate and large nature of things.   20 year programs as you note have been shown to work and the earth has been shown over that time as a very healing able planet, why is not congress mirroring that approach now I ask you???]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Susan:</p>
<p>Each one of the previous Cap and Trade implementations was done slowly and incrementally with if I am not mistaken considerable debate and with factored in long term implementation schemes.  In fact if you look closely at the data you will probably find that the results of the implementations above most likely far exceed the original expectations. Most of the cap and trade ideas now (IMHO) are rushed and factored in as one big package accepted as a take or leave it from the politicians and typically presented in the approach that we don&#8217;t have time and the earth will die etc. etc if we don&#8217;t implement all of it now.   If Congress would incrementally bring the items in front of the public and pass them as such with similar incremental implementation periods I believe they would be accepted.  In fact some of the more intelligent Republicans have suggested such an incremental approach on each item but been shot down.  If this approach was taken you would probably not have the polarizing approach that the debate over health care had with its all or nothing debate and large nature of things.   20 year programs as you note have been shown to work and the earth has been shown over that time as a very healing able planet, why is not congress mirroring that approach now I ask you???</p>
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		<title>By: Mauricio</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mauricio]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2010 05:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow, four actual tried-and-true CnT systems right in our backyard!  I bet you 99% of the population has no idea we&#039;ve had even one.



It would be so much easier if people didn&#039;t think of it as such as foreign, unproven, and European?? concept.



We&#039;ve done it.  It works.  Let&#039;s keep saying that.



Great article.  Thanks!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, four actual tried-and-true CnT systems right in our backyard!  I bet you 99% of the population has no idea we&#8217;ve had even one.</p>
<p>It would be so much easier if people didn&#8217;t think of it as such as foreign, unproven, and European?? concept.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve done it.  It works.  Let&#8217;s keep saying that.</p>
<p>Great article.  Thanks!</p>
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