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	<title>Comments on: Unlikely California Electricity Hog Could Green the Grid in November</title>
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		<title>By: Susan Kraemer</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2010/05/10/unlikely-california-electricity-hog-could-green-the-grid-in-november/#comment-9765</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan Kraemer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 21:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Dave, actually - not really. Charging a (Volt/Leaf type)EV will add between 200 and 300 kilowatt hours a month to an electric bill.



The kinds of people who will likely be first adopters are the eco frugal who now have bills so tiny that solar estimators pass them by ($50-$80 ish).



But, add in an EV (about like adding in a pool pump) and now they use enough electricity to warrant getting a residential PPA (Solar City, SunRun, Sungevity) to switch to clean power for $0 down and pay as you go - and save bigtime over the long haul.



So adding EVs will increase the adoption of solar, by increasing the differential between a solar PPA and staying with the utility.



Someone with a $500 bill now will pay over $400,000 over 25 years if they do nothing and stay with our utility PG&amp;E. Or they can go solar for $40,000 and save $300,000 (bank loan) or do a PPA and switch for $0 and still save between $100,000 and $200,000.



The higher the bill now, the more reason to go solar.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dave, actually &#8211; not really. Charging a (Volt/Leaf type)EV will add between 200 and 300 kilowatt hours a month to an electric bill.</p>
<p>The kinds of people who will likely be first adopters are the eco frugal who now have bills so tiny that solar estimators pass them by ($50-$80 ish).</p>
<p>But, add in an EV (about like adding in a pool pump) and now they use enough electricity to warrant getting a residential PPA (Solar City, SunRun, Sungevity) to switch to clean power for $0 down and pay as you go &#8211; and save bigtime over the long haul.</p>
<p>So adding EVs will increase the adoption of solar, by increasing the differential between a solar PPA and staying with the utility.</p>
<p>Someone with a $500 bill now will pay over $400,000 over 25 years if they do nothing and stay with our utility PG&amp;E. Or they can go solar for $40,000 and save $300,000 (bank loan) or do a PPA and switch for $0 and still save between $100,000 and $200,000.</p>
<p>The higher the bill now, the more reason to go solar.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2010/05/10/unlikely-california-electricity-hog-could-green-the-grid-in-november/#comment-9764</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 20:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot; that it can mean a difference between paying 11 cents and almost 50 cents for every kilowatt hour.&quot;



Interesting, isn&#039;t that a huge disincentive to buying electric cars? The electric companies are going to be penalizing you by charging you an exponential amount more for the electricity...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; that it can mean a difference between paying 11 cents and almost 50 cents for every kilowatt hour.&#8221;</p>
<p>Interesting, isn&#8217;t that a huge disincentive to buying electric cars? The electric companies are going to be penalizing you by charging you an exponential amount more for the electricity&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Kraemer</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2010/05/10/unlikely-california-electricity-hog-could-green-the-grid-in-november/#comment-9763</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan Kraemer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 02:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sungevity, Solar City and SunRun all beat you to that model in these states, so that might be hard - but why not try it in the dirty power states where people are stuck with horrible 90% coal power (because no renewable Energy Standard driving clean power from utilities) Indiana, Wyoming, Kentucky, West Virginia, North Dakota and no way out for the renewable future-minded living there.

Plus fund wind and solar thermal (most pool owners need both) and you have a great business model.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sungevity, Solar City and SunRun all beat you to that model in these states, so that might be hard &#8211; but why not try it in the dirty power states where people are stuck with horrible 90% coal power (because no renewable Energy Standard driving clean power from utilities) Indiana, Wyoming, Kentucky, West Virginia, North Dakota and no way out for the renewable future-minded living there.</p>
<p>Plus fund wind and solar thermal (most pool owners need both) and you have a great business model.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Marks</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Randy Marks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 00:10:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You make some valid points about consumer behavior, but the total energy consumption of all the marijuana growers in California is a financial rounding error in the cost of energy consumption.



The only major obstacle to widespread rapid adoption of residential solar energy systems are the high upfront cost to the end user and the complete lack of traditional bank financing programs.



Solar Acceptance has designed and developed the very first consumer-financing model that overcomes this obstacle.  A multi-million dollar BETA trial is now underway.



Once this begins to scale the industry will see that it is not about panel manufacturers, integrators, or leasing companies.  It is about enabling the consumer to capture the true economic benefits of lower energy costs from a solar system they can finance-to-own at a reasonable rate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You make some valid points about consumer behavior, but the total energy consumption of all the marijuana growers in California is a financial rounding error in the cost of energy consumption.</p>
<p>The only major obstacle to widespread rapid adoption of residential solar energy systems are the high upfront cost to the end user and the complete lack of traditional bank financing programs.</p>
<p>Solar Acceptance has designed and developed the very first consumer-financing model that overcomes this obstacle.  A multi-million dollar BETA trial is now underway.</p>
<p>Once this begins to scale the industry will see that it is not about panel manufacturers, integrators, or leasing companies.  It is about enabling the consumer to capture the true economic benefits of lower energy costs from a solar system they can finance-to-own at a reasonable rate.</p>
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