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		<title>By: Susan Kraemer</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2010/02/06/arizona-renewable-energy-standard-under-attack-from-right/#comment-8940</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan Kraemer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 04:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Andrew&lt;em&gt; &quot;The invisible hand is not what is at work when fossil interests hawk their energy to utilities. their prices are kept low by the same subsidies those same groups are trying to prevent their competitors from instituting.



Furthermore, their prices are artificially deflated by the lack of ownership of public resources which make negative externalities free for the producers.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;



Very good point. True.



I was getting at something different: that because the cost of climate change will not be catastrophic till too late to fix it, the invisible hand does not work in this case, without a price on carbon now.



On the contrary, it naturally selects the cheapest energy, and energy infrastructure that is already paid for is cheaper than building new energy. And pipelines, railroads, coal mines, coal power stations are what&#039;s already in place, not wind and solar farms and transmission.





&lt;em&gt;&quot;Why is it necessary to even say whether the instigators of such and such an act are republican or not?&quot; &lt;/em&gt;



Because that is the job of the Fourth Estate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Andrew<em> &#8220;The invisible hand is not what is at work when fossil interests hawk their energy to utilities. their prices are kept low by the same subsidies those same groups are trying to prevent their competitors from instituting.</p>
<p>Furthermore, their prices are artificially deflated by the lack of ownership of public resources which make negative externalities free for the producers.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Very good point. True.</p>
<p>I was getting at something different: that because the cost of climate change will not be catastrophic till too late to fix it, the invisible hand does not work in this case, without a price on carbon now.</p>
<p>On the contrary, it naturally selects the cheapest energy, and energy infrastructure that is already paid for is cheaper than building new energy. And pipelines, railroads, coal mines, coal power stations are what&#8217;s already in place, not wind and solar farms and transmission.</p>
<p><em>&#8220;Why is it necessary to even say whether the instigators of such and such an act are republican or not?&#8221; </em></p>
<p>Because that is the job of the Fourth Estate.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Kraemer</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2010/02/06/arizona-renewable-energy-standard-under-attack-from-right/#comment-25996</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan Kraemer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 04:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Andrew&lt;em&gt; &quot;The invisible hand is not what is at work when fossil interests hawk their energy to utilities. their prices are kept low by the same subsidies those same groups are trying to prevent their competitors from instituting.



Furthermore, their prices are artificially deflated by the lack of ownership of public resources which make negative externalities free for the producers.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;



Very good point. True.



I was getting at something different: that because the cost of climate change will not be catastrophic till too late to fix it, the invisible hand does not work in this case, without a price on carbon now.



On the contrary, it naturally selects the cheapest energy, and energy infrastructure that is already paid for is cheaper than building new energy. And pipelines, railroads, coal mines, coal power stations are what&#039;s already in place, not wind and solar farms and transmission.





&lt;em&gt;&quot;Why is it necessary to even say whether the instigators of such and such an act are republican or not?&quot; &lt;/em&gt;



Because that is the job of the Fourth Estate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Andrew<em> &#8220;The invisible hand is not what is at work when fossil interests hawk their energy to utilities. their prices are kept low by the same subsidies those same groups are trying to prevent their competitors from instituting.</p>
<p>Furthermore, their prices are artificially deflated by the lack of ownership of public resources which make negative externalities free for the producers.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Very good point. True.</p>
<p>I was getting at something different: that because the cost of climate change will not be catastrophic till too late to fix it, the invisible hand does not work in this case, without a price on carbon now.</p>
<p>On the contrary, it naturally selects the cheapest energy, and energy infrastructure that is already paid for is cheaper than building new energy. And pipelines, railroads, coal mines, coal power stations are what&#8217;s already in place, not wind and solar farms and transmission.</p>
<p><em>&#8220;Why is it necessary to even say whether the instigators of such and such an act are republican or not?&#8221; </em></p>
<p>Because that is the job of the Fourth Estate.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2010/02/06/arizona-renewable-energy-standard-under-attack-from-right/#comment-8939</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Karl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 23:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Glenn Beck crowd strikes again!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Glenn Beck crowd strikes again!</p>
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		<title>By: Karl</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2010/02/06/arizona-renewable-energy-standard-under-attack-from-right/#comment-25995</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Karl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 23:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Glenn Beck crowd strikes again!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Glenn Beck crowd strikes again!</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2010/02/06/arizona-renewable-energy-standard-under-attack-from-right/#comment-8938</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 22:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow, these are some vehement comments. In general, I don&#039;t think &quot;shut the fuck up&quot; is very constructive.



In any case, I like to be notified when there are inconsistencies in regulatory bodies and when someone is stepping in to rig the system for a special interest group, be they right or left. Although, one marked difference between the right and left is the willingness of the left to publicize their proposals and attempt to support them with measurements usually taken by third parties. None are completely honest in trying to bring about the change they want, and nothing will change until our congress can be fixed, of course. Until we can separate campaign finance from holding office, and perhaps even make holding office unprofitable (gasp!), nothing is going to change.



Nevertheless, I do have one qualm with the article. Maybe you meant it facetiously, but the comment about the invisible hand is a little off. The invisible hand is not what is at work when fossil interests hawk their energy to utilities. their prices are kept low by the same subsidies those same groups are trying to prevent their competitors from instituting. Furthermore, their prices are artificially deflated by the lack of ownership of public resources which make negative externalities free for the producers.



The invisible hand is the only force at work for the free and honest exchange of value between willing citizens of a democratic polity. That&#039;s all free-market economics is, a perfect-information strategy game of the maximization of value. Regulations and advertising disrupt the exchange of information between parties, making a free and honest exchange of value impossible. What we&#039;re dealing with now are just symptoms of a greater systematic failure, software bugs, if you will. You don&#039;t fix a bug by writing code to hide or patch the bug (like microsoft), you look at the existing system to find out how the system is broken, and then fix it.



I think if anything is shown by the awful comments this pot has received, it&#039;s that focusing on the left or right and blaming an entire group of people while naming them with an identity symbol, is apt to alienate readers that would otherwise have appreciated the heads up. Why is it necessary to even say whether the instigators of such and such an act are republican or not? Someone is fucking with the system, and a corporation is paying them. I bet the corporation isn&#039;t a republican.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, these are some vehement comments. In general, I don&#8217;t think &#8220;shut the fuck up&#8221; is very constructive.</p>
<p>In any case, I like to be notified when there are inconsistencies in regulatory bodies and when someone is stepping in to rig the system for a special interest group, be they right or left. Although, one marked difference between the right and left is the willingness of the left to publicize their proposals and attempt to support them with measurements usually taken by third parties. None are completely honest in trying to bring about the change they want, and nothing will change until our congress can be fixed, of course. Until we can separate campaign finance from holding office, and perhaps even make holding office unprofitable (gasp!), nothing is going to change.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, I do have one qualm with the article. Maybe you meant it facetiously, but the comment about the invisible hand is a little off. The invisible hand is not what is at work when fossil interests hawk their energy to utilities. their prices are kept low by the same subsidies those same groups are trying to prevent their competitors from instituting. Furthermore, their prices are artificially deflated by the lack of ownership of public resources which make negative externalities free for the producers.</p>
<p>The invisible hand is the only force at work for the free and honest exchange of value between willing citizens of a democratic polity. That&#8217;s all free-market economics is, a perfect-information strategy game of the maximization of value. Regulations and advertising disrupt the exchange of information between parties, making a free and honest exchange of value impossible. What we&#8217;re dealing with now are just symptoms of a greater systematic failure, software bugs, if you will. You don&#8217;t fix a bug by writing code to hide or patch the bug (like microsoft), you look at the existing system to find out how the system is broken, and then fix it.</p>
<p>I think if anything is shown by the awful comments this pot has received, it&#8217;s that focusing on the left or right and blaming an entire group of people while naming them with an identity symbol, is apt to alienate readers that would otherwise have appreciated the heads up. Why is it necessary to even say whether the instigators of such and such an act are republican or not? Someone is fucking with the system, and a corporation is paying them. I bet the corporation isn&#8217;t a republican.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2010/02/06/arizona-renewable-energy-standard-under-attack-from-right/#comment-25994</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 22:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://cleantechnica.com/?p=4616#comment-25994</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Wow, these are some vehement comments. In general, I don&#039;t think &quot;shut the fuck up&quot; is very constructive.



In any case, I like to be notified when there are inconsistencies in regulatory bodies and when someone is stepping in to rig the system for a special interest group, be they right or left. Although, one marked difference between the right and left is the willingness of the left to publicize their proposals and attempt to support them with measurements usually taken by third parties. None are completely honest in trying to bring about the change they want, and nothing will change until our congress can be fixed, of course. Until we can separate campaign finance from holding office, and perhaps even make holding office unprofitable (gasp!), nothing is going to change.



Nevertheless, I do have one qualm with the article. Maybe you meant it facetiously, but the comment about the invisible hand is a little off. The invisible hand is not what is at work when fossil interests hawk their energy to utilities. their prices are kept low by the same subsidies those same groups are trying to prevent their competitors from instituting. Furthermore, their prices are artificially deflated by the lack of ownership of public resources which make negative externalities free for the producers.



The invisible hand is the only force at work for the free and honest exchange of value between willing citizens of a democratic polity. That&#039;s all free-market economics is, a perfect-information strategy game of the maximization of value. Regulations and advertising disrupt the exchange of information between parties, making a free and honest exchange of value impossible. What we&#039;re dealing with now are just symptoms of a greater systematic failure, software bugs, if you will. You don&#039;t fix a bug by writing code to hide or patch the bug (like microsoft), you look at the existing system to find out how the system is broken, and then fix it.



I think if anything is shown by the awful comments this pot has received, it&#039;s that focusing on the left or right and blaming an entire group of people while naming them with an identity symbol, is apt to alienate readers that would otherwise have appreciated the heads up. Why is it necessary to even say whether the instigators of such and such an act are republican or not? Someone is fucking with the system, and a corporation is paying them. I bet the corporation isn&#039;t a republican.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, these are some vehement comments. In general, I don&#8217;t think &#8220;shut the fuck up&#8221; is very constructive.</p>
<p>In any case, I like to be notified when there are inconsistencies in regulatory bodies and when someone is stepping in to rig the system for a special interest group, be they right or left. Although, one marked difference between the right and left is the willingness of the left to publicize their proposals and attempt to support them with measurements usually taken by third parties. None are completely honest in trying to bring about the change they want, and nothing will change until our congress can be fixed, of course. Until we can separate campaign finance from holding office, and perhaps even make holding office unprofitable (gasp!), nothing is going to change.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, I do have one qualm with the article. Maybe you meant it facetiously, but the comment about the invisible hand is a little off. The invisible hand is not what is at work when fossil interests hawk their energy to utilities. their prices are kept low by the same subsidies those same groups are trying to prevent their competitors from instituting. Furthermore, their prices are artificially deflated by the lack of ownership of public resources which make negative externalities free for the producers.</p>
<p>The invisible hand is the only force at work for the free and honest exchange of value between willing citizens of a democratic polity. That&#8217;s all free-market economics is, a perfect-information strategy game of the maximization of value. Regulations and advertising disrupt the exchange of information between parties, making a free and honest exchange of value impossible. What we&#8217;re dealing with now are just symptoms of a greater systematic failure, software bugs, if you will. You don&#8217;t fix a bug by writing code to hide or patch the bug (like microsoft), you look at the existing system to find out how the system is broken, and then fix it.</p>
<p>I think if anything is shown by the awful comments this pot has received, it&#8217;s that focusing on the left or right and blaming an entire group of people while naming them with an identity symbol, is apt to alienate readers that would otherwise have appreciated the heads up. Why is it necessary to even say whether the instigators of such and such an act are republican or not? Someone is fucking with the system, and a corporation is paying them. I bet the corporation isn&#8217;t a republican.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Kraemer</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2010/02/06/arizona-renewable-energy-standard-under-attack-from-right/#comment-8937</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan Kraemer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 20:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, let&#039;s not call it &#039;by the Right&#039;, call it &#039;by Republicans&#039; then. A Republican lawmaker is doing the bidding of a Republican thinktank based on a Republican Icon (Barry Goldwater(R))]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, let&#8217;s not call it &#8216;by the Right&#8217;, call it &#8216;by Republicans&#8217; then. A Republican lawmaker is doing the bidding of a Republican thinktank based on a Republican Icon (Barry Goldwater(R))</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Kraemer</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2010/02/06/arizona-renewable-energy-standard-under-attack-from-right/#comment-25993</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan Kraemer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 20:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://cleantechnica.com/?p=4616#comment-25993</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Well, let&#039;s not call it &#039;by the Right&#039;, call it &#039;by Republicans&#039; then. A Republican lawmaker is doing the bidding of a Republican thinktank based on a Republican Icon (Barry Goldwater(R))]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, let&#8217;s not call it &#8216;by the Right&#8217;, call it &#8216;by Republicans&#8217; then. A Republican lawmaker is doing the bidding of a Republican thinktank based on a Republican Icon (Barry Goldwater(R))</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2010/02/06/arizona-renewable-energy-standard-under-attack-from-right/#comment-8936</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 13:34:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, the RIGHT !



The bad evil right! THE BOOGIE MAN right !

&quot;The right&quot; is against us and everything good in America.

If only &quot;the right&quot; were sent to King Hussein&#039;s FEMA concentration camps would everything be good and wonderful ! ! ! ! !



Get the right, kill the right

Down with the right! The right equals hitler!



Anyone and everyone who doesn&#039;t agree with you 100% is &quot;THE RIGHT&quot; !



Beware of &quot;THE R I G H T&quot;, it is everywhere....oooooooooo!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, the RIGHT !</p>
<p>The bad evil right! THE BOOGIE MAN right !</p>
<p>&#8220;The right&#8221; is against us and everything good in America.</p>
<p>If only &#8220;the right&#8221; were sent to King Hussein&#8217;s FEMA concentration camps would everything be good and wonderful ! ! ! ! !</p>
<p>Get the right, kill the right</p>
<p>Down with the right! The right equals hitler!</p>
<p>Anyone and everyone who doesn&#8217;t agree with you 100% is &#8220;THE RIGHT&#8221; !</p>
<p>Beware of &#8220;THE R I G H T&#8221;, it is everywhere&#8230;.oooooooooo!</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2010/02/06/arizona-renewable-energy-standard-under-attack-from-right/#comment-25992</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 13:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://cleantechnica.com/?p=4616#comment-25992</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Oh, the RIGHT !



The bad evil right! THE BOOGIE MAN right !

&quot;The right&quot; is against us and everything good in America.

If only &quot;the right&quot; were sent to King Hussein&#039;s FEMA concentration camps would everything be good and wonderful ! ! ! ! !



Get the right, kill the right

Down with the right! The right equals hitler!



Anyone and everyone who doesn&#039;t agree with you 100% is &quot;THE RIGHT&quot; !



Beware of &quot;THE R I G H T&quot;, it is everywhere....oooooooooo!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, the RIGHT !</p>
<p>The bad evil right! THE BOOGIE MAN right !</p>
<p>&#8220;The right&#8221; is against us and everything good in America.</p>
<p>If only &#8220;the right&#8221; were sent to King Hussein&#8217;s FEMA concentration camps would everything be good and wonderful ! ! ! ! !</p>
<p>Get the right, kill the right</p>
<p>Down with the right! The right equals hitler!</p>
<p>Anyone and everyone who doesn&#8217;t agree with you 100% is &#8220;THE RIGHT&#8221; !</p>
<p>Beware of &#8220;THE R I G H T&#8221;, it is everywhere&#8230;.oooooooooo!</p>
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		<title>By: Lakolo</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2010/02/06/arizona-renewable-energy-standard-under-attack-from-right/#comment-8935</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lakolo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 03:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One comment! Shut the fuck up greens and give me proof of what your on about.



Untill then! Shut The Fuck Up!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One comment! Shut the fuck up greens and give me proof of what your on about.</p>
<p>Untill then! Shut The Fuck Up!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Lakolo</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2010/02/06/arizona-renewable-energy-standard-under-attack-from-right/#comment-25991</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lakolo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 03:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One comment! Shut the fuck up greens and give me proof of what your on about.



Untill then! Shut The Fuck Up!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One comment! Shut the fuck up greens and give me proof of what your on about.</p>
<p>Untill then! Shut The Fuck Up!!!</p>
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