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	<title>Comments on: Wyoming Voters Snap Up $10,000 Renewable Energy Grants Their Senators Opposed</title>
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		<title>By: rural hick</title>
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		<dc:creator>rural hick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Nov 2010 04:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>coal is great for winter heating, puts out more BTU
in the stove, and solar is great so long as you are rich and can afford to pay 5 X more for electricity. I like the current structure of the Senate, keeps the CA greenies from taking over my state. They love power generated in other states! Don&#039;t like power plants in their backyards! I&#039;ve seen what a mess the CA legislature
has made of a once great state. BROKE BUSTED UNEMPLOYED</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>coal is great for winter heating, puts out more BTU<br />
in the stove, and solar is great so long as you are rich and can afford to pay 5 X more for electricity. I like the current structure of the Senate, keeps the CA greenies from taking over my state. They love power generated in other states! Don&#8217;t like power plants in their backyards! I&#8217;ve seen what a mess the CA legislature<br />
has made of a once great state. BROKE BUSTED UNEMPLOYED</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2010/01/18/wyoming-voters-snap-up-10000-renewable-energy-grants-their-senators-opposed/#comment-8587</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 06:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those of us in Wyoming we tend to not drink downstream from the herd but, then again, if we were a third world country (treated like you describe);  however, if we were a country we would be one of the top ten energy producers in the world.  May be we should succeed from the union?  Think about that every time you turn a light.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those of us in Wyoming we tend to not drink downstream from the herd but, then again, if we were a third world country (treated like you describe);  however, if we were a country we would be one of the top ten energy producers in the world.  May be we should succeed from the union?  Think about that every time you turn a light.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2010/01/18/wyoming-voters-snap-up-10000-renewable-energy-grants-their-senators-opposed/#comment-25874</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 06:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those of us in Wyoming we tend to not drink downstream from the herd but, then again, if we were a third world country (treated like you describe);  however, if we were a country we would be one of the top ten energy producers in the world.  May be we should succeed from the union?  Think about that every time you turn a light.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those of us in Wyoming we tend to not drink downstream from the herd but, then again, if we were a third world country (treated like you describe);  however, if we were a country we would be one of the top ten energy producers in the world.  May be we should succeed from the union?  Think about that every time you turn a light.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Kraemer</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2010/01/18/wyoming-voters-snap-up-10000-renewable-energy-grants-their-senators-opposed/#comment-8586</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan Kraemer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Charles: How is it &quot;bashing&quot; to reveal the truth?



The media&#039;s job &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;is&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt; to tell the truth about the important things we need to know to get things done as a society.



One reason that the US is slipping behind the rest of the world in renewable power is media laziness or complicity in concealing information that a functioning democracy needs. People need to know what their Senators support.  There&#039;s not been a single vote for renewable energy from either Senator. Wyoming voters need to know that, and it would appear, they don&#039;t.



Re: &quot;a leader in wind power. It would be more of a leader if there were closer large population centers to use all the power. And I’ll concede that those same drivers also know it is a leader in coal and gas also, so the change to wind will face resistance.&quot;



Yes, but the coal and gas industries &lt;strong&gt;got pipelines and railroads built to &lt;em&gt;get&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; that energy to population centers. But that was before we found out that greenhouse gases are making our future climate unsafe. Now that we do know that, good governance requires that we invest in transmission.



Now your Senators need to support adding wind &quot;pipelines&quot; to deliver all that healthy clean wind energy to population centers - and make for a secure energy future for Wyoming. All the big wind states need major transmission.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Charles: How is it &#8220;bashing&#8221; to reveal the truth?</p>
<p>The media&#8217;s job <em><strong>is</strong></em> to tell the truth about the important things we need to know to get things done as a society.</p>
<p>One reason that the US is slipping behind the rest of the world in renewable power is media laziness or complicity in concealing information that a functioning democracy needs. People need to know what their Senators support.  There&#8217;s not been a single vote for renewable energy from either Senator. Wyoming voters need to know that, and it would appear, they don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Re: &#8220;a leader in wind power. It would be more of a leader if there were closer large population centers to use all the power. And I’ll concede that those same drivers also know it is a leader in coal and gas also, so the change to wind will face resistance.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, but the coal and gas industries <strong>got pipelines and railroads built to <em>get</em></strong> that energy to population centers. But that was before we found out that greenhouse gases are making our future climate unsafe. Now that we do know that, good governance requires that we invest in transmission.</p>
<p>Now your Senators need to support adding wind &#8220;pipelines&#8221; to deliver all that healthy clean wind energy to population centers &#8211; and make for a secure energy future for Wyoming. All the big wind states need major transmission.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Kraemer</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2010/01/18/wyoming-voters-snap-up-10000-renewable-energy-grants-their-senators-opposed/#comment-25873</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan Kraemer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Charles: How is it &quot;bashing&quot; to reveal the truth?



The media&#039;s job &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;is&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt; to tell the truth about the important things we need to know to get things done as a society.



One reason that the US is slipping behind the rest of the world in renewable power is media laziness or complicity in concealing information that a functioning democracy needs. People need to know what their Senators support.  There&#039;s not been a single vote for renewable energy from either Senator. Wyoming voters need to know that, and it would appear, they don&#039;t.



Re: &quot;a leader in wind power. It would be more of a leader if there were closer large population centers to use all the power. And I’ll concede that those same drivers also know it is a leader in coal and gas also, so the change to wind will face resistance.&quot;



Yes, but the coal and gas industries &lt;strong&gt;got pipelines and railroads built to &lt;em&gt;get&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; that energy to population centers. But that was before we found out that greenhouse gases are making our future climate unsafe. Now that we do know that, good governance requires that we invest in transmission.



Now your Senators need to support adding wind &quot;pipelines&quot; to deliver all that healthy clean wind energy to population centers - and make for a secure energy future for Wyoming. All the big wind states need major transmission.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Charles: How is it &#8220;bashing&#8221; to reveal the truth?</p>
<p>The media&#8217;s job <em><strong>is</strong></em> to tell the truth about the important things we need to know to get things done as a society.</p>
<p>One reason that the US is slipping behind the rest of the world in renewable power is media laziness or complicity in concealing information that a functioning democracy needs. People need to know what their Senators support.  There&#8217;s not been a single vote for renewable energy from either Senator. Wyoming voters need to know that, and it would appear, they don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Re: &#8220;a leader in wind power. It would be more of a leader if there were closer large population centers to use all the power. And I’ll concede that those same drivers also know it is a leader in coal and gas also, so the change to wind will face resistance.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, but the coal and gas industries <strong>got pipelines and railroads built to <em>get</em></strong> that energy to population centers. But that was before we found out that greenhouse gases are making our future climate unsafe. Now that we do know that, good governance requires that we invest in transmission.</p>
<p>Now your Senators need to support adding wind &#8220;pipelines&#8221; to deliver all that healthy clean wind energy to population centers &#8211; and make for a secure energy future for Wyoming. All the big wind states need major transmission.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2010/01/18/wyoming-voters-snap-up-10000-renewable-energy-grants-their-senators-opposed/#comment-8585</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Andrew that the political bashing detracts from the article.  Stick with letting your senators and representatives know what you want regardless of their political party.  Bashing will just close ears and minds.



Yes, splitting representation by state and by population was a deliberate choice by our founding fathers for balance.  &quot;US law gives a disproportionate voice to small states.&quot; is funny.  While true, I think it means the opposite of what you wanted.  The small population *states* have a lower representation due to the House.  The *people* in the small population states have a higher representation per capita due to the Senate.  Balance.



And, for anyone who has driven through Wyoming knows, it is a leader in wind power.  It would be more of a leader if there were closer large population centers to use all the power.  And I&#039;ll concede that those same drivers also know it is a leader in coal and gas also, so the change to wind will face resistance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Andrew that the political bashing detracts from the article.  Stick with letting your senators and representatives know what you want regardless of their political party.  Bashing will just close ears and minds.</p>
<p>Yes, splitting representation by state and by population was a deliberate choice by our founding fathers for balance.  &#8220;US law gives a disproportionate voice to small states.&#8221; is funny.  While true, I think it means the opposite of what you wanted.  The small population *states* have a lower representation due to the House.  The *people* in the small population states have a higher representation per capita due to the Senate.  Balance.</p>
<p>And, for anyone who has driven through Wyoming knows, it is a leader in wind power.  It would be more of a leader if there were closer large population centers to use all the power.  And I&#8217;ll concede that those same drivers also know it is a leader in coal and gas also, so the change to wind will face resistance.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2010/01/18/wyoming-voters-snap-up-10000-renewable-energy-grants-their-senators-opposed/#comment-25872</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Andrew that the political bashing detracts from the article.  Stick with letting your senators and representatives know what you want regardless of their political party.  Bashing will just close ears and minds.



Yes, splitting representation by state and by population was a deliberate choice by our founding fathers for balance.  &quot;US law gives a disproportionate voice to small states.&quot; is funny.  While true, I think it means the opposite of what you wanted.  The small population *states* have a lower representation due to the House.  The *people* in the small population states have a higher representation per capita due to the Senate.  Balance.



And, for anyone who has driven through Wyoming knows, it is a leader in wind power.  It would be more of a leader if there were closer large population centers to use all the power.  And I&#039;ll concede that those same drivers also know it is a leader in coal and gas also, so the change to wind will face resistance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Andrew that the political bashing detracts from the article.  Stick with letting your senators and representatives know what you want regardless of their political party.  Bashing will just close ears and minds.</p>
<p>Yes, splitting representation by state and by population was a deliberate choice by our founding fathers for balance.  &#8220;US law gives a disproportionate voice to small states.&#8221; is funny.  While true, I think it means the opposite of what you wanted.  The small population *states* have a lower representation due to the House.  The *people* in the small population states have a higher representation per capita due to the Senate.  Balance.</p>
<p>And, for anyone who has driven through Wyoming knows, it is a leader in wind power.  It would be more of a leader if there were closer large population centers to use all the power.  And I&#8217;ll concede that those same drivers also know it is a leader in coal and gas also, so the change to wind will face resistance.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Kraemer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan Kraemer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 03:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Touche. That&#039;s a great point Jess:



 &quot;but if Wyoming was a leader in wind power because it was filling its huge empty spaces with wind farms, and California a leader in coal, we might be less inclined to see the Senate reorganized based on population&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Touche. That&#8217;s a great point Jess:</p>
<p> &#8220;but if Wyoming was a leader in wind power because it was filling its huge empty spaces with wind farms, and California a leader in coal, we might be less inclined to see the Senate reorganized based on population&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Kraemer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan Kraemer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 03:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Touche. That&#039;s a great point Jess:



 &quot;but if Wyoming was a leader in wind power because it was filling its huge empty spaces with wind farms, and California a leader in coal, we might be less inclined to see the Senate reorganized based on population&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Touche. That&#8217;s a great point Jess:</p>
<p> &#8220;but if Wyoming was a leader in wind power because it was filling its huge empty spaces with wind farms, and California a leader in coal, we might be less inclined to see the Senate reorganized based on population&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Kraemer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan Kraemer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 03:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your thoughtful comment, Andrew. I believe that we can only get what we want if we know what is impeding it.



In the case of shoring up our chance at a decent future by switching to renewable energy and energy efficiency, many things impede it, and I try to find out what they are and lay them out so we can see what we can do to change things.



There&#039;s technological problems to find and fix (for info). Some are serious impediments like the history of Republican votes against it since 1993, but there&#039;s desert tortoises and the people who love them more than the future of humanity, lack of access to credit by homeowners, poorly designed roofs that make many homes unfriendly to solar, laws that encouraged sprawl, the long disinformation campaign by the fossil fuel industry, etc, etc.



If you are offended, don&#039;t be. But tell your Senator you don&#039;t like him voting against renewable energy. If I hadn&#039;t given you the roll call votes, you wouldn&#039;t have known, so you couldn&#039;t change him.



I do think legislation shapes civilizations to succeed or fail, and especially with climate change - where the invisible hand assigns no value to stopping greenhouse gases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your thoughtful comment, Andrew. I believe that we can only get what we want if we know what is impeding it.</p>
<p>In the case of shoring up our chance at a decent future by switching to renewable energy and energy efficiency, many things impede it, and I try to find out what they are and lay them out so we can see what we can do to change things.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s technological problems to find and fix (for info). Some are serious impediments like the history of Republican votes against it since 1993, but there&#8217;s desert tortoises and the people who love them more than the future of humanity, lack of access to credit by homeowners, poorly designed roofs that make many homes unfriendly to solar, laws that encouraged sprawl, the long disinformation campaign by the fossil fuel industry, etc, etc.</p>
<p>If you are offended, don&#8217;t be. But tell your Senator you don&#8217;t like him voting against renewable energy. If I hadn&#8217;t given you the roll call votes, you wouldn&#8217;t have known, so you couldn&#8217;t change him.</p>
<p>I do think legislation shapes civilizations to succeed or fail, and especially with climate change &#8211; where the invisible hand assigns no value to stopping greenhouse gases.</p>
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