Comments on: Michigan Gov to Repower Detroit With Solar Roofs for as Low as $6,000 http://cleantechnica.com/2010/01/17/michigan-gov-to-repower-detroit-with-solar-roofs-for-6000/ Clean Tech News & Views: Solar Energy News. Wind Energy News. EV News. & More. Sat, 26 May 2012 05:12:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Mark http://cleantechnica.com/2010/01/17/michigan-gov-to-repower-detroit-with-solar-roofs-for-6000/#comment-8562 Mark Tue, 26 Jan 2010 01:04:54 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=4480#comment-8562 While distributed generation costs have come and are attractive for distribution/blackout reasons - what are the final costs in $/watt with incentives? Also, let's focus concurrently on generation of electricity and the conservation products already available. If you go to www.Tintbuyer.com and get totally independent quotes for solar control window film, you will find that people can reduce consumption without any visual effect on their windows for much less than creating more generating capacity through PV, geotherm, or wind. After all, if you reduce 500kWh or create 50W generating capacity - what is the net effect on the grid? <em>[SK: Many states do require an efficiency audit first before installing solar, so buyers find out how much they could reduce demand first with any measures like you suggest before adding a new supply of solar electricity from the roof]</em> While distributed generation costs have come and are attractive for distribution/blackout reasons – what are the final costs in $/watt with incentives? Also, let’s focus concurrently on generation of electricity and the conservation products already available. If you go to http://www.Tintbuyer.com and get totally independent quotes for solar control window film, you will find that people can reduce consumption without any visual effect on their windows for much less than creating more generating capacity through PV, geotherm, or wind. After all, if you reduce 500kWh or create 50W generating capacity – what is the net effect on the grid?

[SK: Many states do require an efficiency audit first before installing solar, so buyers find out how much they could reduce demand first with any measures like you suggest before adding a new supply of solar electricity from the roof]

]]> By: Mark http://cleantechnica.com/2010/01/17/michigan-gov-to-repower-detroit-with-solar-roofs-for-6000/#comment-25859 Mark Tue, 26 Jan 2010 01:04:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=4480#comment-25859 While distributed generation costs have come and are attractive for distribution/blackout reasons - what are the final costs in $/watt with incentives? Also, let's focus concurrently on generation of electricity and the conservation products already available. If you go to www.Tintbuyer.com and get totally independent quotes for solar control window film, you will find that people can reduce consumption without any visual effect on their windows for much less than creating more generating capacity through PV, geotherm, or wind. After all, if you reduce 500kWh or create 50W generating capacity - what is the net effect on the grid? <em>[SK: Many states do require an efficiency audit first before installing solar, so buyers find out how much they could reduce demand first with any measures like you suggest before adding a new supply of solar electricity from the roof]</em> While distributed generation costs have come and are attractive for distribution/blackout reasons – what are the final costs in $/watt with incentives? Also, let’s focus concurrently on generation of electricity and the conservation products already available. If you go to http://www.Tintbuyer.com and get totally independent quotes for solar control window film, you will find that people can reduce consumption without any visual effect on their windows for much less than creating more generating capacity through PV, geotherm, or wind. After all, if you reduce 500kWh or create 50W generating capacity – what is the net effect on the grid?

[SK: Many states do require an efficiency audit first before installing solar, so buyers find out how much they could reduce demand first with any measures like you suggest before adding a new supply of solar electricity from the roof]

]]> By: JJ http://cleantechnica.com/2010/01/17/michigan-gov-to-repower-detroit-with-solar-roofs-for-6000/#comment-8561 JJ Fri, 22 Jan 2010 00:27:08 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=4480#comment-8561 What about those of us who can't afford the initial outlay of cash to install solar, but are still being strangled by DTE's high rates? The old Catch 22... What about those of us who can’t afford the initial outlay of cash to install solar, but are still being strangled by DTE’s high rates? The old Catch 22…

]]> By: JJ http://cleantechnica.com/2010/01/17/michigan-gov-to-repower-detroit-with-solar-roofs-for-6000/#comment-25858 JJ Fri, 22 Jan 2010 00:27:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=4480#comment-25858 What about those of us who can't afford the initial outlay of cash to install solar, but are still being strangled by DTE's high rates? The old Catch 22... What about those of us who can’t afford the initial outlay of cash to install solar, but are still being strangled by DTE’s high rates? The old Catch 22…

]]> By: Susan Kraemer http://cleantechnica.com/2010/01/17/michigan-gov-to-repower-detroit-with-solar-roofs-for-6000/#comment-25857 Susan Kraemer Tue, 19 Jan 2010 19:52:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=4480#comment-25857 Michigan will benefit from the climate legislation that is just kicking in now. It is bold and brave to try to switch the hardest hit state to renewable energy, and this Governor is doing the right thing. The program costs some now but will yield $25 billion over the years, per the study I linked. People who no longer pay for utility electricity will have more money in their pockets, which will contribute to a recovery over the 25 years. I know from when I did solar estimates that even in the first 25 years, savings from solar easily amount to $80,000 and up per homeowner, compared to what they would have paid to their power company in those 25 years. So making it affordable initially, literally is like creating future wealth to be spent in that economy over the next 25 years. Michigan will benefit from the climate legislation that is just kicking in now. It is bold and brave to try to switch the hardest hit state to renewable energy, and this Governor is doing the right thing.

The program costs some now but will yield $25 billion over the years, per the study I linked. People who no longer pay for utility electricity will have more money in their pockets, which will contribute to a recovery over the 25 years.

I know from when I did solar estimates that even in the first 25 years, savings from solar easily amount to $80,000 and up per homeowner, compared to what they would have paid to their power company in those 25 years.

So making it affordable initially, literally is like creating future wealth to be spent in that economy over the next 25 years.

]]> By: Michael Scott http://cleantechnica.com/2010/01/17/michigan-gov-to-repower-detroit-with-solar-roofs-for-6000/#comment-8559 Michael Scott Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:50:53 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=4480#comment-8559 Ah yes, the "Rogue States" are the ones that aren't taxing and spending their way to bankruptcy. Let's all follow the model of Detroit -- they've really benefited from all the climate change legislation. Ah yes, the “Rogue States” are the ones that aren’t taxing and spending their way to bankruptcy. Let’s all follow the model of Detroit — they’ve really benefited from all the climate change legislation.

]]> By: Michael Scott http://cleantechnica.com/2010/01/17/michigan-gov-to-repower-detroit-with-solar-roofs-for-6000/#comment-25856 Michael Scott Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:50:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=4480#comment-25856 Ah yes, the "Rogue States" are the ones that aren't taxing and spending their way to bankruptcy. Let's all follow the model of Detroit -- they've really benefited from all the climate change legislation. Ah yes, the “Rogue States” are the ones that aren’t taxing and spending their way to bankruptcy. Let’s all follow the model of Detroit — they’ve really benefited from all the climate change legislation.

]]> By: James http://cleantechnica.com/2010/01/17/michigan-gov-to-repower-detroit-with-solar-roofs-for-6000/#comment-8558 James Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:20:19 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=4480#comment-8558 Michigan needs a mandatory feed-in-tariff! Michigan needs a mandatory feed-in-tariff!

]]> By: James http://cleantechnica.com/2010/01/17/michigan-gov-to-repower-detroit-with-solar-roofs-for-6000/#comment-25855 James Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:20:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=4480#comment-25855 Michigan needs a mandatory feed-in-tariff! Michigan needs a mandatory feed-in-tariff!

]]> By: Susan Kraemer http://cleantechnica.com/2010/01/17/michigan-gov-to-repower-detroit-with-solar-roofs-for-6000/#comment-8560 Susan Kraemer Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:52:13 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=4480#comment-8560 Michigan will benefit from the climate legislation that is just kicking in now. It is bold and brave to try to switch the hardest hit state to renewable energy, and this Governor is doing the right thing. The program costs some now but will yield $25 billion over the years, per the study I linked. People who no longer pay for utility electricity will have more money in their pockets, which will contribute to a recovery over the 25 years. I know from when I did solar estimates that even in the first 25 years, savings from solar easily amount to $80,000 and up per homeowner, compared to what they would have paid to their power company in those 25 years. So making it affordable initially, literally is like creating future wealth to be spent in that economy over the next 25 years. Michigan will benefit from the climate legislation that is just kicking in now. It is bold and brave to try to switch the hardest hit state to renewable energy, and this Governor is doing the right thing.

The program costs some now but will yield $25 billion over the years, per the study I linked. People who no longer pay for utility electricity will have more money in their pockets, which will contribute to a recovery over the 25 years.

I know from when I did solar estimates that even in the first 25 years, savings from solar easily amount to $80,000 and up per homeowner, compared to what they would have paid to their power company in those 25 years.

So making it affordable initially, literally is like creating future wealth to be spent in that economy over the next 25 years.

]]> By: Susan Kraemer http://cleantechnica.com/2010/01/17/michigan-gov-to-repower-detroit-with-solar-roofs-for-6000/#comment-25854 Susan Kraemer Tue, 19 Jan 2010 06:10:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=4480#comment-25854 Unemployment is even higher - close to 35%! It has crashed. Unemployment is even higher – close to 35%! It has crashed.

]]> By: Susan Kraemer http://cleantechnica.com/2010/01/17/michigan-gov-to-repower-detroit-with-solar-roofs-for-6000/#comment-8557 Susan Kraemer Mon, 18 Jan 2010 23:10:48 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=4480#comment-8557 Unemployment is even higher - close to 35%! It has crashed. Unemployment is even higher – close to 35%! It has crashed.

]]> By: Solar Pundant http://cleantechnica.com/2010/01/17/michigan-gov-to-repower-detroit-with-solar-roofs-for-6000/#comment-8556 Solar Pundant Mon, 18 Jan 2010 21:35:12 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=4480#comment-8556 We are still not seeing what God,...yes God has given us. He has given us brains, human ego, human desire and human fortitude. At some point,..our scientists will be heralded as the demi-gods that they deserve to be heralded as. Sports stars and WallStreet bankers will take a "second seat" to those that observe and help us navigate to the secure carbon reduced society that we must migrate to. God bless brains over brawn; no competition overall. FB We are still not seeing what God,…yes God has given us.

He has given us brains, human ego, human desire and human fortitude. At some point,..our scientists will be heralded as the demi-gods that they deserve to be heralded as. Sports stars and WallStreet bankers will take a “second seat” to those that observe and help us navigate to the secure carbon reduced society that we must migrate to.

God bless brains over brawn; no competition overall.

FB

]]> By: Solar Pundant http://cleantechnica.com/2010/01/17/michigan-gov-to-repower-detroit-with-solar-roofs-for-6000/#comment-25853 Solar Pundant Mon, 18 Jan 2010 21:35:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=4480#comment-25853 We are still not seeing what God,...yes God has given us. He has given us brains, human ego, human desire and human fortitude. At some point,..our scientists will be heralded as the demi-gods that they deserve to be heralded as. Sports stars and WallStreet bankers will take a "second seat" to those that observe and help us navigate to the secure carbon reduced society that we must migrate to. God bless brains over brawn; no competition overall. FB We are still not seeing what God,…yes God has given us.

He has given us brains, human ego, human desire and human fortitude. At some point,..our scientists will be heralded as the demi-gods that they deserve to be heralded as. Sports stars and WallStreet bankers will take a “second seat” to those that observe and help us navigate to the secure carbon reduced society that we must migrate to.

God bless brains over brawn; no competition overall.

FB

]]> By: Free Solar Webinar http://cleantechnica.com/2010/01/17/michigan-gov-to-repower-detroit-with-solar-roofs-for-6000/#comment-8555 Free Solar Webinar Mon, 18 Jan 2010 20:53:17 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=4480#comment-8555 Detroit definitely needs this. With one of the highest unemployment rates in the country (over 12%), people definitely need jobs. Adding this initiative will increase so many jobs in the states - job training, solar companies, installation companies, and hopefully innovation! Detroit definitely needs this. With one of the highest unemployment rates in the country (over 12%), people definitely need jobs. Adding this initiative will increase so many jobs in the states – job training, solar companies, installation companies, and hopefully innovation!

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