Comments on: New York Public Radio Listeners Love Cap and Trade http://cleantechnica.com/2010/01/03/new-york-public-radio-listeners-love-cap-and-trade/ Clean Tech News & Views: Solar Energy News. Wind Energy News. EV News. & More. Sat, 26 May 2012 05:12:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Susan Kraemer http://cleantechnica.com/2010/01/03/new-york-public-radio-listeners-love-cap-and-trade/#comment-25709 Susan Kraemer Tue, 05 Jan 2010 04:19:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=4368#comment-25709 Irrational fear because - Cap and Trade worked in Europe. <strong>http://www.gmfus.org/doc/GMF%20Grubb%2035.pdf</strong> <strong>http://cleantechnica.com/2009/09/28/what-the-senate-should-know-about-cap-and-trade-in-europe/</strong> It reduced EU emissions <strong>http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=eu-on-track-to-meet-or-exceed-origi-2009-11 </strong> and helped build more renewable energy than here in the US. The leading wind and solar companies are now there, not here, the most energy efficient houses are being built there not here. They build houses that don't need heat: PassivHaus Net Zero buildings are way ahead of LEED standards. Result? The average per capita carbon footprint in Germany, Denmark, UK, Norway is half the US average now. <strong>http://cleantechnica.com/2010/01/01/new-carbon-footprint-calculation-accounts-for-country-of-consumption/</strong> Cap and trade worked here in reducing acid rain <strong>http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=cap-and-trade-cut-emissions-50-in-2-2009-12</strong> and worked in Kyoto signing countries to really speed them ahead of us in renewable energy, and lower greenhouse gases. Where has a carbon tax worked to create more renewable energy, and reduce emissions? Irrational fear because – Cap and Trade worked in Europe.

http://www.gmfus.org/doc/GMF%20Grubb%2035.pdf

http://cleantechnica.com/2009/09/28/what-the-senate-should-know-about-cap-and-trade-in-europe/

It reduced EU emissions

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=eu-on-track-to-meet-or-exceed-origi-2009-11

and helped build more renewable energy than here in the US. The leading wind and solar companies are now there, not here, the most energy efficient houses are being built there not here. They build houses that don’t need heat: PassivHaus Net Zero buildings are way ahead of LEED standards.

Result? The average per capita carbon footprint in Germany, Denmark, UK, Norway is half the US average now.

http://cleantechnica.com/2010/01/01/new-carbon-footprint-calculation-accounts-for-country-of-consumption/

Cap and trade worked here in reducing acid rain

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=cap-and-trade-cut-emissions-50-in-2-2009-12

and worked in Kyoto signing countries to really speed them ahead of us in renewable energy, and lower greenhouse gases.

Where has a carbon tax worked to create more renewable energy, and reduce emissions?

]]> By: Susan Kraemer http://cleantechnica.com/2010/01/03/new-york-public-radio-listeners-love-cap-and-trade/#comment-25705 Susan Kraemer Mon, 04 Jan 2010 21:53:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=4368#comment-25705 Tell Duke Energy that emissions credits are not real. They just paid $98 million for exceeding their SOx and NOx emissions credits (under the current EPA Cap and Trade program to bring down acid rain pollution). They'll be relieved. Maybe they can pay the fine in Monopoly money. Tell Duke Energy that emissions credits are not real.

They just paid $98 million for exceeding their SOx and NOx emissions credits (under the current EPA Cap and Trade program to bring down acid rain pollution).

They’ll be relieved. Maybe they can pay the fine in Monopoly money.

]]> By: Chris V http://cleantechnica.com/2010/01/03/new-york-public-radio-listeners-love-cap-and-trade/#comment-8315 Chris V Mon, 04 Jan 2010 21:30:59 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=4368#comment-8315 If companies are just going to treat this as a tax, then why not just create a tax? Why go through the whole process of setting up a brand new market? Why set this up as a huge giveaway to Wall Street? It makes absolutely no sense. If companies are just going to treat this as a tax, then why not just create a tax? Why go through the whole process of setting up a brand new market? Why set this up as a huge giveaway to Wall Street? It makes absolutely no sense.

]]> By: Chris V http://cleantechnica.com/2010/01/03/new-york-public-radio-listeners-love-cap-and-trade/#comment-25708 Chris V Mon, 04 Jan 2010 21:30:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=4368#comment-25708 If companies are just going to treat this as a tax, then why not just create a tax? Why go through the whole process of setting up a brand new market? Why set this up as a huge giveaway to Wall Street? It makes absolutely no sense. If companies are just going to treat this as a tax, then why not just create a tax? Why go through the whole process of setting up a brand new market? Why set this up as a huge giveaway to Wall Street? It makes absolutely no sense.

]]> By: Susan Kraemer http://cleantechnica.com/2010/01/03/new-york-public-radio-listeners-love-cap-and-trade/#comment-8316 Susan Kraemer Mon, 04 Jan 2010 21:19:25 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=4368#comment-8316 Irrational fear because - Cap and Trade worked in Europe. <strong>http://www.gmfus.org/doc/GMF%20Grubb%2035.pdf</strong> <strong>http://cleantechnica.com/2009/09/28/what-the-senate-should-know-about-cap-and-trade-in-europe/</strong> It reduced EU emissions <strong>http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=eu-on-track-to-meet-or-exceed-origi-2009-11 </strong> and helped build more renewable energy than here in the US. The leading wind and solar companies are now there, not here, the most energy efficient houses are being built there not here. They build houses that don't need heat: PassivHaus Net Zero buildings are way ahead of LEED standards. Result? The average per capita carbon footprint in Germany, Denmark, UK, Norway is half the US average now. <strong>http://cleantechnica.com/2010/01/01/new-carbon-footprint-calculation-accounts-for-country-of-consumption/</strong> Cap and trade worked here in reducing acid rain <strong>http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=cap-and-trade-cut-emissions-50-in-2-2009-12</strong> and worked in Kyoto signing countries to really speed them ahead of us in renewable energy, and lower greenhouse gases. Where has a carbon tax worked to create more renewable energy, and reduce emissions? Irrational fear because – Cap and Trade worked in Europe.

http://www.gmfus.org/doc/GMF%20Grubb%2035.pdf

http://cleantechnica.com/2009/09/28/what-the-senate-should-know-about-cap-and-trade-in-europe/

It reduced EU emissions

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=eu-on-track-to-meet-or-exceed-origi-2009-11

and helped build more renewable energy than here in the US. The leading wind and solar companies are now there, not here, the most energy efficient houses are being built there not here. They build houses that don’t need heat: PassivHaus Net Zero buildings are way ahead of LEED standards.

Result? The average per capita carbon footprint in Germany, Denmark, UK, Norway is half the US average now.

http://cleantechnica.com/2010/01/01/new-carbon-footprint-calculation-accounts-for-country-of-consumption/

Cap and trade worked here in reducing acid rain

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=cap-and-trade-cut-emissions-50-in-2-2009-12

and worked in Kyoto signing countries to really speed them ahead of us in renewable energy, and lower greenhouse gases.

Where has a carbon tax worked to create more renewable energy, and reduce emissions?

]]> By: Al http://cleantechnica.com/2010/01/03/new-york-public-radio-listeners-love-cap-and-trade/#comment-8314 Al Mon, 04 Jan 2010 20:05:59 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=4368#comment-8314 The only one making money on cap and trade are industries and their lobbyist who are using legal bribery (campaign contributions)to create this myth that this will clean up the environment. All it will do is increase utility bills because no matter how much green power is generated the utility must produce enough electricity to meet the peek and they can't count on wind and sun to meet the peek. It would be pretty tough today with the global freezing that has enveloped the entire country... Pretty simple, they have to invest in green energy to placate the lobbyist from green energy who are buying access and influence with campaign contributions and pay cap and trade fees that Wall Street and their lobbyiest have invented as another investment for Bernie Madoff posers to use and the utilities will still use coal, gas and nuclear to generate enough energy to meet the peek. Where is the payoff? btw Susan, I have never seen anyone post a comment on an article they wrote. The only one making money on cap and trade are industries and their lobbyist who are using legal bribery (campaign contributions)to create this myth that this will clean up the environment. All it will do is increase utility bills because no matter how much green power is generated the utility must produce enough electricity to meet the peek and they can’t count on wind and sun to meet the peek. It would be pretty tough today with the global freezing that has enveloped the entire country… Pretty simple, they have to invest in green energy to placate the lobbyist from green energy who are buying access and influence with campaign contributions and pay cap and trade fees that Wall Street and their lobbyiest have invented as another investment for Bernie Madoff posers to use and the utilities will still use coal, gas and nuclear to generate enough energy to meet the peek. Where is the payoff? btw Susan, I have never seen anyone post a comment on an article they wrote.

]]> By: Al http://cleantechnica.com/2010/01/03/new-york-public-radio-listeners-love-cap-and-trade/#comment-25707 Al Mon, 04 Jan 2010 20:05:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=4368#comment-25707 The only one making money on cap and trade are industries and their lobbyist who are using legal bribery (campaign contributions)to create this myth that this will clean up the environment. All it will do is increase utility bills because no matter how much green power is generated the utility must produce enough electricity to meet the peek and they can't count on wind and sun to meet the peek. It would be pretty tough today with the global freezing that has enveloped the entire country... Pretty simple, they have to invest in green energy to placate the lobbyist from green energy who are buying access and influence with campaign contributions and pay cap and trade fees that Wall Street and their lobbyiest have invented as another investment for Bernie Madoff posers to use and the utilities will still use coal, gas and nuclear to generate enough energy to meet the peek. Where is the payoff? btw Susan, I have never seen anyone post a comment on an article they wrote. The only one making money on cap and trade are industries and their lobbyist who are using legal bribery (campaign contributions)to create this myth that this will clean up the environment. All it will do is increase utility bills because no matter how much green power is generated the utility must produce enough electricity to meet the peek and they can’t count on wind and sun to meet the peek. It would be pretty tough today with the global freezing that has enveloped the entire country… Pretty simple, they have to invest in green energy to placate the lobbyist from green energy who are buying access and influence with campaign contributions and pay cap and trade fees that Wall Street and their lobbyiest have invented as another investment for Bernie Madoff posers to use and the utilities will still use coal, gas and nuclear to generate enough energy to meet the peek. Where is the payoff? btw Susan, I have never seen anyone post a comment on an article they wrote.

]]> By: Frank Hanlan http://cleantechnica.com/2010/01/03/new-york-public-radio-listeners-love-cap-and-trade/#comment-8313 Frank Hanlan Mon, 04 Jan 2010 19:55:24 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=4368#comment-8313 As a writer why would you label a fear of cap and trade as irrational. In Europe cap and trade has failed and resulted in some large scale fraud. It is also controlled by large business and hidden from public view and accountability. A carbon tax on the other hand is very visible and can be easily administered. As a writer why would you label a fear of cap and trade as irrational. In Europe cap and trade has failed and resulted in some large scale fraud. It is also controlled by large business and hidden from public view and accountability. A carbon tax on the other hand is very visible and can be easily administered.

]]> By: Frank Hanlan http://cleantechnica.com/2010/01/03/new-york-public-radio-listeners-love-cap-and-trade/#comment-25706 Frank Hanlan Mon, 04 Jan 2010 19:55:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=4368#comment-25706 As a writer why would you label a fear of cap and trade as irrational. In Europe cap and trade has failed and resulted in some large scale fraud. It is also controlled by large business and hidden from public view and accountability. A carbon tax on the other hand is very visible and can be easily administered. As a writer why would you label a fear of cap and trade as irrational. In Europe cap and trade has failed and resulted in some large scale fraud. It is also controlled by large business and hidden from public view and accountability. A carbon tax on the other hand is very visible and can be easily administered.

]]> By: Susan Kraemer http://cleantechnica.com/2010/01/03/new-york-public-radio-listeners-love-cap-and-trade/#comment-8312 Susan Kraemer Mon, 04 Jan 2010 14:53:53 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=4368#comment-8312 Tell Duke Energy that emissions credits are not real. They just paid $98 million for exceeding their SOx and NOx emissions credits (under the current EPA Cap and Trade program to bring down acid rain pollution). They'll be relieved. Maybe they can pay the fine in Monopoly money. Tell Duke Energy that emissions credits are not real.

They just paid $98 million for exceeding their SOx and NOx emissions credits (under the current EPA Cap and Trade program to bring down acid rain pollution).

They’ll be relieved. Maybe they can pay the fine in Monopoly money.

]]> By: Carl http://cleantechnica.com/2010/01/03/new-york-public-radio-listeners-love-cap-and-trade/#comment-8311 Carl Mon, 04 Jan 2010 14:34:34 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=4368#comment-8311 You people are so foolish. Carbon credits are no more real than stocks on wall street. They are play money just like stocks, gold certificates, and 401k's. It is fantasy. You people are so foolish.

Carbon credits are no more real than stocks on wall street. They are play money just like stocks, gold certificates, and 401k’s.

It is fantasy.

]]> By: Carl http://cleantechnica.com/2010/01/03/new-york-public-radio-listeners-love-cap-and-trade/#comment-25704 Carl Mon, 04 Jan 2010 14:34:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=4368#comment-25704 You people are so foolish. Carbon credits are no more real than stocks on wall street. They are play money just like stocks, gold certificates, and 401k's. It is fantasy. You people are so foolish.

Carbon credits are no more real than stocks on wall street. They are play money just like stocks, gold certificates, and 401k’s.

It is fantasy.

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