Comments on: Asia Light Years Ahead of the US in Clean Tech Investment — Financial and Economic Consequences http://cleantechnica.com/2009/11/20/asia-light-years-ahead-of-the-us-in-clean-tech-investment-financial-and-economic-consequences/ Clean Tech News & Views: Solar Energy News. Wind Energy News. EV News. & More. Tue, 30 Dec 2014 03:36:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.0.1 By: Elemental LED staff http://cleantechnica.com/2009/11/20/asia-light-years-ahead-of-the-us-in-clean-tech-investment-financial-and-economic-consequences/#comment-8310 Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:17:33 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=3991#comment-8310 It’s too bad that the U.S. didn’t use the opportunity of the energy crisis of the ’70s, the birth of solar technology, and the budding green movement of the time as a starting point for real investment and action in sustainable technologies, instead of waiting until nearly 40 years later. And this was after we sent humans to the moon!

And surprising that more U.S. companies are not seeing the opportunities for profit that exist in developing new forms of energy, even though many seem to have the capital to do so.

]]> By: Elemental LED staff http://cleantechnica.com/2009/11/20/asia-light-years-ahead-of-the-us-in-clean-tech-investment-financial-and-economic-consequences/#comment-25099 Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:17:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=3991#comment-25099 It’s too bad that the U.S. didn’t use the opportunity of the energy crisis of the ’70s, the birth of solar technology, and the budding green movement of the time as a starting point for real investment and action in sustainable technologies, instead of waiting until nearly 40 years later. And this was after we sent humans to the moon!

And surprising that more U.S. companies are not seeing the opportunities for profit that exist in developing new forms of energy, even though many seem to have the capital to do so.

]]> By: Elemental LED staff http://cleantechnica.com/2009/11/20/asia-light-years-ahead-of-the-us-in-clean-tech-investment-financial-and-economic-consequences/#comment-25100 Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:17:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=3991#comment-25100 It’s too bad that the U.S. didn’t use the opportunity of the energy crisis of the ’70s, the birth of solar technology, and the budding green movement of the time as a starting point for real investment and action in sustainable technologies, instead of waiting until nearly 40 years later. And this was after we sent humans to the moon!

And surprising that more U.S. companies are not seeing the opportunities for profit that exist in developing new forms of energy, even though many seem to have the capital to do so.

]]> By: Karl http://cleantechnica.com/2009/11/20/asia-light-years-ahead-of-the-us-in-clean-tech-investment-financial-and-economic-consequences/#comment-8309 Sun, 22 Nov 2009 01:49:44 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=3991#comment-8309 Joe, that’s an awful lot of anger you have there. Perhaps you want to clarify how he’s an illegitimate president? Seems to me he won by a clear margin and has pretty good public support despite the magnitude of troubles he was and still is faced with. Politics aside, despite what you might have heard from whatever news source you read/listen to, between new fuel efficiency standards, a record increase in alternative energy funding and assembly of a green team he’s actually well on track to becoming a very green president. Considering how little Reagan, Bush I and even Clinton did for the environment that isn’t saying much but for this generation there really isn’t a comparison. Your anger clearly goes beyond his green record.

]]> By: Karl http://cleantechnica.com/2009/11/20/asia-light-years-ahead-of-the-us-in-clean-tech-investment-financial-and-economic-consequences/#comment-25097 Sun, 22 Nov 2009 01:49:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=3991#comment-25097 Joe, that’s an awful lot of anger you have there. Perhaps you want to clarify how he’s an illegitimate president? Seems to me he won by a clear margin and has pretty good public support despite the magnitude of troubles he was and still is faced with. Politics aside, despite what you might have heard from whatever news source you read/listen to, between new fuel efficiency standards, a record increase in alternative energy funding and assembly of a green team he’s actually well on track to becoming a very green president. Considering how little Reagan, Bush I and even Clinton did for the environment that isn’t saying much but for this generation there really isn’t a comparison. Your anger clearly goes beyond his green record.

]]> By: Karl http://cleantechnica.com/2009/11/20/asia-light-years-ahead-of-the-us-in-clean-tech-investment-financial-and-economic-consequences/#comment-25098 Sun, 22 Nov 2009 01:49:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=3991#comment-25098 Joe, that’s an awful lot of anger you have there. Perhaps you want to clarify how he’s an illegitimate president? Seems to me he won by a clear margin and has pretty good public support despite the magnitude of troubles he was and still is faced with. Politics aside, despite what you might have heard from whatever news source you read/listen to, between new fuel efficiency standards, a record increase in alternative energy funding and assembly of a green team he’s actually well on track to becoming a very green president. Considering how little Reagan, Bush I and even Clinton did for the environment that isn’t saying much but for this generation there really isn’t a comparison. Your anger clearly goes beyond his green record.

]]> By: Zachary Shahan http://cleantechnica.com/2009/11/20/asia-light-years-ahead-of-the-us-in-clean-tech-investment-financial-and-economic-consequences/#comment-8308 Sat, 21 Nov 2009 11:38:57 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=3991#comment-8308 Joe, i’m aware of those accomplishments. i said in decades, “maybe ever.” we are yet to see what he actually accomplishes. but he is off to a fairly good start, at least (i have my criticisms, too, but he is doing more than any president in ages, for sure)

]]> By: Joe http://cleantechnica.com/2009/11/20/asia-light-years-ahead-of-the-us-in-clean-tech-investment-financial-and-economic-consequences/#comment-8307 Sat, 21 Nov 2009 04:10:22 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=3991#comment-8307 “greenest president ever”?

You obviously no NOTHING about US history,

Such as it was T. Roosevelt that created the National Parks System and R. Nixon who created the EPA. J Carter put solar panels on the white house.

King oumgbama is all PR and BS. He won’t finish out his phony term illegitimate term.

]]> By: Joe http://cleantechnica.com/2009/11/20/asia-light-years-ahead-of-the-us-in-clean-tech-investment-financial-and-economic-consequences/#comment-25096 Sat, 21 Nov 2009 04:10:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=3991#comment-25096 “greenest president ever”?

You obviously no NOTHING about US history,

Such as it was T. Roosevelt that created the National Parks System and R. Nixon who created the EPA. J Carter put solar panels on the white house.

King oumgbama is all PR and BS. He won’t finish out his phony term illegitimate term.

]]> By: Zachary Shahan http://cleantechnica.com/2009/11/20/asia-light-years-ahead-of-the-us-in-clean-tech-investment-financial-and-economic-consequences/#comment-8306 Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:54:15 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=3991#comment-8306 The per person investment is a fine thing to bring up, Jared, but i think more appropriate in this context is what i put in the article (per GDP).

I agree with you about being cautious with investment, because there is the possibility of a “bubble” anytime there is a lot of investment growth. however, as Karl went on to discuss, there are a lot of benefits to being ahead of the game.

overall, the US seems on track to lose its competitive advantage in the global marketplace (in many arenas, but especially this one). as the report said somewhere in there (maybe the end?), the US has fallen behind on other issues (i.e. space exploration) and then come from behind to take the lead, but i dont think this is actually a strategy or what it looks like it is doing here. we will see, though.

]]> By: Karl http://cleantechnica.com/2009/11/20/asia-light-years-ahead-of-the-us-in-clean-tech-investment-financial-and-economic-consequences/#comment-8304 Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:44:10 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=3991#comment-8304 As Jared points out money alone will not solve the problem. However, it is important to note that patents and intellectual property DO play a big role in future economics. That Japan had as many patents as the US last year is pretty predictive in my opinion. Although more patents doesn’t always mean more impact it is nevertheless an important component. Those that get the patents today get that paycheck tomorrow. That’s one of the reasons the US has been dominant for so long. I say good for the those Asian companies/countries that get it. Now the big question is how do we keep homegrown green tech that is its infancy to stay here rather than outsource overseas. Unfortunately, this has been a trend which we are seeing from Solar to wind and everything in between.

]]> By: Karl http://cleantechnica.com/2009/11/20/asia-light-years-ahead-of-the-us-in-clean-tech-investment-financial-and-economic-consequences/#comment-25094 Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:44:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=3991#comment-25094 As Jared points out money alone will not solve the problem. However, it is important to note that patents and intellectual property DO play a big role in future economics. That Japan had as many patents as the US last year is pretty predictive in my opinion. Although more patents doesn’t always mean more impact it is nevertheless an important component. Those that get the patents today get that paycheck tomorrow. That’s one of the reasons the US has been dominant for so long. I say good for the those Asian companies/countries that get it. Now the big question is how do we keep homegrown green tech that is its infancy to stay here rather than outsource overseas. Unfortunately, this has been a trend which we are seeing from Solar to wind and everything in between.

]]> By: Karl http://cleantechnica.com/2009/11/20/asia-light-years-ahead-of-the-us-in-clean-tech-investment-financial-and-economic-consequences/#comment-25095 Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:44:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=3991#comment-25095 As Jared points out money alone will not solve the problem. However, it is important to note that patents and intellectual property DO play a big role in future economics. That Japan had as many patents as the US last year is pretty predictive in my opinion. Although more patents doesn’t always mean more impact it is nevertheless an important component. Those that get the patents today get that paycheck tomorrow. That’s one of the reasons the US has been dominant for so long. I say good for the those Asian companies/countries that get it. Now the big question is how do we keep homegrown green tech that is its infancy to stay here rather than outsource overseas. Unfortunately, this has been a trend which we are seeing from Solar to wind and everything in between.

]]> By: Jared http://cleantechnica.com/2009/11/20/asia-light-years-ahead-of-the-us-in-clean-tech-investment-financial-and-economic-consequences/#comment-8303 Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:35:39 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=3991#comment-8303 TThis piece seems a little fanatical. The US economy hardly depends on our commitment to producing our own solar panels.

Your Statistics can be misleading. If you compare just China’s Population (1.325 Billion) to the Asian (China+Japan+S.Korea) $509B amount you gave earlier you have roughly $384 invested per person. The same statistic for the US population (304M) yields roughly $566 invested per US Citizen. Using your own data it appears the US is actually making nearly a 50% larger investment than Asia. That doesn’t even factor in Japan and S. Korea’s populations which would increase the US lead.

Throwing $$ at the problem doesn’t necessarily solve it either. Green tech is still in its infancy, and dropping too much money into production could be like buying a dozen Hummers 8 years ago expecting it to pay off down the road. Smart investment trumps Big investment any day of the week.

]]> By: Jared http://cleantechnica.com/2009/11/20/asia-light-years-ahead-of-the-us-in-clean-tech-investment-financial-and-economic-consequences/#comment-25093 Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:35:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=3991#comment-25093 TThis piece seems a little fanatical. The US economy hardly depends on our commitment to producing our own solar panels.

Your Statistics can be misleading. If you compare just China’s Population (1.325 Billion) to the Asian (China+Japan+S.Korea) $509B amount you gave earlier you have roughly $384 invested per person. The same statistic for the US population (304M) yields roughly $566 invested per US Citizen. Using your own data it appears the US is actually making nearly a 50% larger investment than Asia. That doesn’t even factor in Japan and S. Korea’s populations which would increase the US lead.

Throwing $$ at the problem doesn’t necessarily solve it either. Green tech is still in its infancy, and dropping too much money into production could be like buying a dozen Hummers 8 years ago expecting it to pay off down the road. Smart investment trumps Big investment any day of the week.

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