Comments on: Car Manufacturers Might be Getting Ahead of Themselves in Electric Vehicle Production http://cleantechnica.com/2009/11/17/car-manufacturers-might-be-getting-ahead-of-themselves-in-electric-vehicle-production/ Clean Tech News & Views: Solar Energy News. Wind Energy News. EV News. & More. Mon, 29 Dec 2014 11:26:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.0.1 By: Andreea http://cleantechnica.com/2009/11/17/car-manufacturers-might-be-getting-ahead-of-themselves-in-electric-vehicle-production/#comment-8205 Tue, 22 Dec 2009 13:32:18 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=3977#comment-8205 I searched on google lots of electronic cars but ppl don’t seem to be interested in these kind of cars, why is that? For me, it would be the perfect gift for xmas to be honest, I believe in a better world and I do hope that the end of the world is not coming soon – so no more global warming!!

]]> By: Andreea http://cleantechnica.com/2009/11/17/car-manufacturers-might-be-getting-ahead-of-themselves-in-electric-vehicle-production/#comment-25088 Tue, 22 Dec 2009 13:32:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=3977#comment-25088 I searched on google lots of electronic cars but ppl don’t seem to be interested in these kind of cars, why is that? For me, it would be the perfect gift for xmas to be honest, I believe in a better world and I do hope that the end of the world is not coming soon – so no more global warming!!

]]> By: Andreea http://cleantechnica.com/2009/11/17/car-manufacturers-might-be-getting-ahead-of-themselves-in-electric-vehicle-production/#comment-25089 Tue, 22 Dec 2009 13:32:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=3977#comment-25089 I searched on google lots of electronic cars but ppl don’t seem to be interested in these kind of cars, why is that? For me, it would be the perfect gift for xmas to be honest, I believe in a better world and I do hope that the end of the world is not coming soon – so no more global warming!!

]]> By: JJ http://cleantechnica.com/2009/11/17/car-manufacturers-might-be-getting-ahead-of-themselves-in-electric-vehicle-production/#comment-8204 Mon, 21 Dec 2009 19:42:10 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=3977#comment-8204 I suspect the issue the utilities have in mind is the transformer that serves groups of homes might overheat.

My annual electric avg is 5700KWh. If I drive 7K miles in a Leaf (100 miles for 24KWh battery) I would add about 1700KWh. On that basis the grid and nearby transformer will be fine. If I don’t get off peak rates and smart metering, I’d charge during the day so the utility will work this out soon to prevent added peaking.

I doubt that entire neighborhoods will be driving electric for another 20 years. The fast flip will occur when batteries cross a threshold for capacity and cost OR gas prices go to hell!

The utilities already upgraded recently to handle the higher loads that flat TVs add, they just have to stay on their toes. The smart metering will let the utilities ration out power to prevent equipment failure.

]]> By: JJ http://cleantechnica.com/2009/11/17/car-manufacturers-might-be-getting-ahead-of-themselves-in-electric-vehicle-production/#comment-25087 Mon, 21 Dec 2009 19:42:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=3977#comment-25087 I suspect the issue the utilities have in mind is the transformer that serves groups of homes might overheat.

My annual electric avg is 5700KWh. If I drive 7K miles in a Leaf (100 miles for 24KWh battery) I would add about 1700KWh. On that basis the grid and nearby transformer will be fine. If I don’t get off peak rates and smart metering, I’d charge during the day so the utility will work this out soon to prevent added peaking.

I doubt that entire neighborhoods will be driving electric for another 20 years. The fast flip will occur when batteries cross a threshold for capacity and cost OR gas prices go to hell!

The utilities already upgraded recently to handle the higher loads that flat TVs add, they just have to stay on their toes. The smart metering will let the utilities ration out power to prevent equipment failure.

]]> By: inpencil http://cleantechnica.com/2009/11/17/car-manufacturers-might-be-getting-ahead-of-themselves-in-electric-vehicle-production/#comment-8203 Mon, 21 Dec 2009 19:26:30 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=3977#comment-8203 Dear Beth,

How about you try checking your spelling and punctuation before giving out misinformation on the internet. This blog entry is crap. haha

]]> By: inpencil http://cleantechnica.com/2009/11/17/car-manufacturers-might-be-getting-ahead-of-themselves-in-electric-vehicle-production/#comment-25085 Mon, 21 Dec 2009 19:26:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=3977#comment-25085 Dear Beth,

How about you try checking your spelling and punctuation before giving out misinformation on the internet. This blog entry is crap. haha

]]> By: inpencil http://cleantechnica.com/2009/11/17/car-manufacturers-might-be-getting-ahead-of-themselves-in-electric-vehicle-production/#comment-25086 Mon, 21 Dec 2009 19:26:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=3977#comment-25086 Dear Beth,

How about you try checking your spelling and punctuation before giving out misinformation on the internet. This blog entry is crap. haha

]]> By: Lucas http://cleantechnica.com/2009/11/17/car-manufacturers-might-be-getting-ahead-of-themselves-in-electric-vehicle-production/#comment-8202 Mon, 21 Dec 2009 14:16:47 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=3977#comment-8202 I don’t think the inability to fast-charge at home will be that much of an issue. Today, if we run out of fuel at home, we’re stuck–most of us don’t have a gas (ethanol/petrol) pump at home. Still, for regular charging, it may be a challenge for people living in apartment complexes–I don’t think my landlords would appreciate an extension cord running out of my kitchen window on a regular basis to charge a car. I’m sure a system could be developed to allow even slow charging, though, with swipe cards. Probably somebody already has a design up for patent.

I think the main obstacle for EVs is cost. I would be driving a hybrid now, but the price has put them out of my reach. The Tesla isn’t even a dream for me with its astronomical price! Will EVs be produced at prices comparable to internal combustion autos? If not, that will probably be the biggest challenge.

]]> By: Lucas http://cleantechnica.com/2009/11/17/car-manufacturers-might-be-getting-ahead-of-themselves-in-electric-vehicle-production/#comment-25083 Mon, 21 Dec 2009 14:16:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=3977#comment-25083 I don’t think the inability to fast-charge at home will be that much of an issue. Today, if we run out of fuel at home, we’re stuck–most of us don’t have a gas (ethanol/petrol) pump at home. Still, for regular charging, it may be a challenge for people living in apartment complexes–I don’t think my landlords would appreciate an extension cord running out of my kitchen window on a regular basis to charge a car. I’m sure a system could be developed to allow even slow charging, though, with swipe cards. Probably somebody already has a design up for patent.

I think the main obstacle for EVs is cost. I would be driving a hybrid now, but the price has put them out of my reach. The Tesla isn’t even a dream for me with its astronomical price! Will EVs be produced at prices comparable to internal combustion autos? If not, that will probably be the biggest challenge.

]]> By: Lucas http://cleantechnica.com/2009/11/17/car-manufacturers-might-be-getting-ahead-of-themselves-in-electric-vehicle-production/#comment-25084 Mon, 21 Dec 2009 14:16:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=3977#comment-25084 I don’t think the inability to fast-charge at home will be that much of an issue. Today, if we run out of fuel at home, we’re stuck–most of us don’t have a gas (ethanol/petrol) pump at home. Still, for regular charging, it may be a challenge for people living in apartment complexes–I don’t think my landlords would appreciate an extension cord running out of my kitchen window on a regular basis to charge a car. I’m sure a system could be developed to allow even slow charging, though, with swipe cards. Probably somebody already has a design up for patent.

I think the main obstacle for EVs is cost. I would be driving a hybrid now, but the price has put them out of my reach. The Tesla isn’t even a dream for me with its astronomical price! Will EVs be produced at prices comparable to internal combustion autos? If not, that will probably be the biggest challenge.

]]> By: Beth Hodgson http://cleantechnica.com/2009/11/17/car-manufacturers-might-be-getting-ahead-of-themselves-in-electric-vehicle-production/#comment-8201 Sun, 06 Dec 2009 21:56:04 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=3977#comment-8201 Thanks for the comments – interesting viewpoints!

Vincent – I agree, it’s a question of ensuring that the public understands capabilities, and that if expectations vary from what’s supported, that grids are available to support it..which are issues that are being addressed.

Nate – good point, and that just might be the inspirtation for another article as it is an area of concern for some. Although, I guess it depends on your frequency of visitors and the prospective increase in bills

Steven – agreed, and this is an example of how this need is at least starting to be recognized to accomodate the increasing availability of vehicles

Elektruk – this isn’t a question of my knowledge on the issue, these are concerns that some have and are trying to address. And this is based on a belief, presumably, that some home owners will expect to use fast-charging at home whether or not that is the intended use.

read this statement that outlines that this is not my opinion, but a belief that’s out there – “While households with one electric vehicle might have adequate power, charging two at a time, particularly when time is of the essence, might not be supported according to some environmental authorities, like the Tenessee Valley Authority’s VP of Environmental Policy, Joe Hoagland.”

]]> By: Beth Hodgson http://cleantechnica.com/2009/11/17/car-manufacturers-might-be-getting-ahead-of-themselves-in-electric-vehicle-production/#comment-25082 Sun, 06 Dec 2009 21:56:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=3977#comment-25082 Thanks for the comments – interesting viewpoints!

Vincent – I agree, it’s a question of ensuring that the public understands capabilities, and that if expectations vary from what’s supported, that grids are available to support it..which are issues that are being addressed.

Nate – good point, and that just might be the inspirtation for another article as it is an area of concern for some. Although, I guess it depends on your frequency of visitors and the prospective increase in bills

Steven – agreed, and this is an example of how this need is at least starting to be recognized to accomodate the increasing availability of vehicles

Elektruk – this isn’t a question of my knowledge on the issue, these are concerns that some have and are trying to address. And this is based on a belief, presumably, that some home owners will expect to use fast-charging at home whether or not that is the intended use.

read this statement that outlines that this is not my opinion, but a belief that’s out there – “While households with one electric vehicle might have adequate power, charging two at a time, particularly when time is of the essence, might not be supported according to some environmental authorities, like the Tenessee Valley Authority’s VP of Environmental Policy, Joe Hoagland.”

]]> By: Eletruk http://cleantechnica.com/2009/11/17/car-manufacturers-might-be-getting-ahead-of-themselves-in-electric-vehicle-production/#comment-8200 Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:42:34 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=3977#comment-8200 Nobody currently with an EV (well, OK Maybe some Tesla owners) install fast charge for their EVs, nor should they expect to. The idea is to charge it overnight, while it sits in the garage/carport/driveway. Fast charge would be a thing you would install at service stations/rest stops. Do you drive home to fill up your gas tank? No, (unless you have your own biodiesel setup) so why would you expect to do the same thing at home? Fast charge is for fast charge stations, and they will charge moeny for it. People will much rather slow charge at home overnight where it will cost them about $8 a month (that’s what it costs me). As usual, you don’t get what having a EV is about.

]]> By: Eletruk http://cleantechnica.com/2009/11/17/car-manufacturers-might-be-getting-ahead-of-themselves-in-electric-vehicle-production/#comment-25080 Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:42:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=3977#comment-25080 Nobody currently with an EV (well, OK Maybe some Tesla owners) install fast charge for their EVs, nor should they expect to. The idea is to charge it overnight, while it sits in the garage/carport/driveway. Fast charge would be a thing you would install at service stations/rest stops. Do you drive home to fill up your gas tank? No, (unless you have your own biodiesel setup) so why would you expect to do the same thing at home? Fast charge is for fast charge stations, and they will charge moeny for it. People will much rather slow charge at home overnight where it will cost them about $8 a month (that’s what it costs me). As usual, you don’t get what having a EV is about.

]]> By: Eletruk http://cleantechnica.com/2009/11/17/car-manufacturers-might-be-getting-ahead-of-themselves-in-electric-vehicle-production/#comment-25081 Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:42:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=3977#comment-25081 Nobody currently with an EV (well, OK Maybe some Tesla owners) install fast charge for their EVs, nor should they expect to. The idea is to charge it overnight, while it sits in the garage/carport/driveway. Fast charge would be a thing you would install at service stations/rest stops. Do you drive home to fill up your gas tank? No, (unless you have your own biodiesel setup) so why would you expect to do the same thing at home? Fast charge is for fast charge stations, and they will charge moeny for it. People will much rather slow charge at home overnight where it will cost them about $8 a month (that’s what it costs me). As usual, you don’t get what having a EV is about.

]]> By: Steven Bigatti http://cleantechnica.com/2009/11/17/car-manufacturers-might-be-getting-ahead-of-themselves-in-electric-vehicle-production/#comment-8199 Fri, 20 Nov 2009 05:50:56 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=3977#comment-8199 Electrification of autos and adaptation of the grid which will support it go hand in hand.

Nearly all European forums on Plug-in now include topics on the impact to, and transformation of power supply and delivery networks.

Our hybrid and electric cars and charging systems will be quite different, slower and less efficient than that of our grandchildren’s, and the long term changes being planned for the grid will be the biggest enabler of that.

]]> By: Steven Bigatti http://cleantechnica.com/2009/11/17/car-manufacturers-might-be-getting-ahead-of-themselves-in-electric-vehicle-production/#comment-25078 Fri, 20 Nov 2009 05:50:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=3977#comment-25078 Electrification of autos and adaptation of the grid which will support it go hand in hand.

Nearly all European forums on Plug-in now include topics on the impact to, and transformation of power supply and delivery networks.

Our hybrid and electric cars and charging systems will be quite different, slower and less efficient than that of our grandchildren’s, and the long term changes being planned for the grid will be the biggest enabler of that.

]]> By: Steven Bigatti http://cleantechnica.com/2009/11/17/car-manufacturers-might-be-getting-ahead-of-themselves-in-electric-vehicle-production/#comment-25079 Fri, 20 Nov 2009 05:50:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=3977#comment-25079 Electrification of autos and adaptation of the grid which will support it go hand in hand.

Nearly all European forums on Plug-in now include topics on the impact to, and transformation of power supply and delivery networks.

Our hybrid and electric cars and charging systems will be quite different, slower and less efficient than that of our grandchildren’s, and the long term changes being planned for the grid will be the biggest enabler of that.

]]> By: EPOWER CARS LTD http://cleantechnica.com/2009/11/17/car-manufacturers-might-be-getting-ahead-of-themselves-in-electric-vehicle-production/#comment-8198 Thu, 19 Nov 2009 12:55:56 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=3977#comment-8198 The solution in the future is swapping batteries, you don’t need to charge it. There will be a lot of new business for electric car in the future.

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