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Published on November 7th, 2009 | by Susan Kraemer

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What's Florida Worth?

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November 7th, 2009 by  

An inter-agency work group headed by the White House Office of Management and Budget is trying to find the real cost of a ton of carbon emitted. It turns out to be a hard number to agree on.

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Would our grandchildren really miss Florida if it was under water? How about no more fruit or nuts from California? What about the loss of our breadbasket? Would the end of corn and soy from the Midwest really bother the grandchildren of our children? How much?

Cost/benefit analysis. Economists do it all the time. So, just what is the cost to society of a ton of carbon?  The Institute for Policy Integrity consulted 144 top economists and released the result: (pdf) Economists and Climate Change: Consensus and Open Questions. By sensibly limiting the sample to economists with the most expertise on climate change, the survey was able to avoid the ignorance of economists who have not studied climate change.

84 percent agreed that the environmental effects of greenhouse gas emissions, as described by leading scientific experts, create significant risks to important sectors of the United States and global economies. A near unanimous 98 percent agreed that putting a price on carbon through a tax or cap-and-trade will increase incentives for efficiency and innovation. 55% preferred a tax, and 35% preferred cap-and‐trade.

But they came up with very widely divergent numbers for both the costs and the benefits. The cost estimates ranged from $10 a to $10 million a ton, with a median of $50 a ton. The benefits of prevention also ranged between $383 billion and $5.5 trillion over the next five decades.

Economics offers a crucial perspective not only on the most cost‐effective and efficient responses to climate change, but also on the need to respond in the first place. Economists have built sophisticated “integrated assessment models” that combine complex data on the global economy and climate, in order to estimate the economic consequences of a particular policy. A necessary first step in that process is to project what would happen if no policy were enacted (called a “baseline” or “business‐as‐usual” scenario).

In other words, economists have devoted considerable effort to identifying and quantifying the dangers of unabated climate change. A two year old GAO survey found 78% of economists found that the benefits of action would outweigh costs. The industries most threatened by climate change economic losses were agriculture, fishing, forestry, and insurance.

Three quarters of the economists felt that the uncertainty regarding climate change risks actually increases the value of taking action to control emissions. The low probability, but catastrophic-if-it-happens risk like tipping point climate change needs to be factored in.

These are hard numbers to crunch. We really have no idea how much damage we are doing. It is 3 billion years since any other species made such a huge change in this planet’s environment. We really are in completely uncharted territory.

As Grist’s Jonathan Hiskes suggests: “We can’t know every detail of what pumping the atmosphere full of greenhouse pollution will do. It’s like driving your car off a cliff—you can’t predict which parts will break, but you know enough to know the results won’t be good.”

Image: Bob Davidson

Source: (pdf) Economists and Climate Change: Consensus and Open Questions via EENews

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About the Author

writes at CleanTechnica, CSP-Today, PV-Insider , SmartGridUpdate, and GreenProphet. She has also been published at Ecoseed, NRDC OnEarth, MatterNetwork, Celsius, EnergyNow, and Scientific American. As a former serial entrepreneur in product design, Susan brings an innovator's perspective on inventing a carbon-constrained civilization: If necessity is the mother of invention, solving climate change is the mother of all necessities! As a lover of history and sci-fi, she enjoys chronicling the strange future we are creating in these interesting times.    Follow Susan on Twitter @dotcommodity.



  • http://cleantechnica.com/ M. Jones

    Comrade Kraemer!

    In spite of your apparent lack of scientific understanding you again have done a wonderful job with promoting your global warming propaganda!

    Even though atmospheric scientists

    http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-25061-Climate-Change-Examiner%7Ey2009m11d5-Climate-change-induced-disaster-predictions-falling-flat

    are showing conclusively that temperatures are actually falling and there is a possibility of a new ice age

    http://www.financialpost.com/story.html?id=bdc24964-7f82-4f7a-863c-f0ff43010278

    you continue as a faithful disciple of the AlGore-ian myths in order to transfer more power and money from the little people to those who “know better”. After all, the High Priest Al Gore cannot run his personal jet airplane on solar power now, can he?

    Yes, it will be so much easier when folks such as you and Heidi Cullen

    http://www.nationalledger.com/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi?archive=8&num=11117&printer=1

    can silence any opposition to the Al-Goreian Dogma of the environmentally faithful. After all, why should you and Heidi Cullen have to be bothered with research and findings which ruin your day by not being in 100% agreement with your “opinions”?

    Yes, you will certainly receive a 2nd Order of Lenin for your valiant contribution of propaganda offerings to the Al-Goreian faithful!

    Carry on Fellow-Traveler! I am quite certain you and Heidi Cullen will next be reporting from Animal Farm!

    M. Jones

  • http://cleantechnica.com/ M. Jones

    Comrade Kraemer!

    In spite of your apparent lack of scientific understanding you again have done a wonderful job with promoting your global warming propaganda!

    Even though atmospheric scientists

    http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-25061-Climate-Change-Examiner%7Ey2009m11d5-Climate-change-induced-disaster-predictions-falling-flat

    are showing conclusively that temperatures are actually falling and there is a possibility of a new ice age

    http://www.financialpost.com/story.html?id=bdc24964-7f82-4f7a-863c-f0ff43010278

    you continue as a faithful disciple of the AlGore-ian myths in order to transfer more power and money from the little people to those who “know better”. After all, the High Priest Al Gore cannot run his personal jet airplane on solar power now, can he?

    Yes, it will be so much easier when folks such as you and Heidi Cullen

    http://www.nationalledger.com/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi?archive=8&num=11117&printer=1

    can silence any opposition to the Al-Goreian Dogma of the environmentally faithful. After all, why should you and Heidi Cullen have to be bothered with research and findings which ruin your day by not being in 100% agreement with your “opinions”?

    Yes, you will certainly receive a 2nd Order of Lenin for your valiant contribution of propaganda offerings to the Al-Goreian faithful!

    Carry on Fellow-Traveler! I am quite certain you and Heidi Cullen will next be reporting from Animal Farm!

    M. Jones

  • http://cleantechnica.com/ M. Jones

    Comrade Kraemer!

    In spite of your apparent lack of scientific understanding you again have done a wonderful job with promoting your global warming propaganda!

    Even though atmospheric scientists

    http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-25061-Climate-Change-Examiner%7Ey2009m11d5-Climate-change-induced-disaster-predictions-falling-flat

    are showing conclusively that temperatures are actually falling and there is a possibility of a new ice age

    http://www.financialpost.com/story.html?id=bdc24964-7f82-4f7a-863c-f0ff43010278

    you continue as a faithful disciple of the AlGore-ian myths in order to transfer more power and money from the little people to those who “know better”. After all, the High Priest Al Gore cannot run his personal jet airplane on solar power now, can he?

    Yes, it will be so much easier when folks such as you and Heidi Cullen

    http://www.nationalledger.com/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi?archive=8&num=11117&printer=1

    can silence any opposition to the Al-Goreian Dogma of the environmentally faithful. After all, why should you and Heidi Cullen have to be bothered with research and findings which ruin your day by not being in 100% agreement with your “opinions”?

    Yes, you will certainly receive a 2nd Order of Lenin for your valiant contribution of propaganda offerings to the Al-Goreian faithful!

    Carry on Fellow-Traveler! I am quite certain you and Heidi Cullen will next be reporting from Animal Farm!

    M. Jones

  • Ome Willem

    …and how about all the other thousands of scientists that agree that there is NO global warming!! You know how we are always pointed out during discussions that there are TWO sides to every story. Why is it then, that the other side of the story is kept hidden from us? Just read Ian Plimer’s book, watch Lord Christopher Monckton Speaking in St. Paul (a quote “How many of you think the word ‘election’, or ‘democracy’ or ‘vote’, or ‘ballot’ occurs anywhere in the 200 pages of that treaty?”) see it at “http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stij8sUybx0&feature=player_embedded”, or a documentary called “the great global warming swindle”. Why we do not see this on TV, hear it on the radio, read it in the newspaper, or even see that news on-line??

    If you think 9-11 changed the world. Just wait until the Copenhagen Treaty is signed in December. THAT WILL CHANGE the world as we know it.

    Remember how the Romans 2000 years kept the people happy? They gave them bread and let them play.

    Or like Breshnev (Russian leader in the 70’s) make Vodka cheaper than water… it made his people worry less…

    I would worry if I were you, Copenhagen is only a few weeks away and president Obama WILL sign our freedom away to submit us to a new global legislation.

  • Ome Willem

    …and how about all the other thousands of scientists that agree that there is NO global warming!! You know how we are always pointed out during discussions that there are TWO sides to every story. Why is it then, that the other side of the story is kept hidden from us? Just read Ian Plimer’s book, watch Lord Christopher Monckton Speaking in St. Paul (a quote “How many of you think the word ‘election’, or ‘democracy’ or ‘vote’, or ‘ballot’ occurs anywhere in the 200 pages of that treaty?”) see it at “http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stij8sUybx0&feature=player_embedded”, or a documentary called “the great global warming swindle”. Why we do not see this on TV, hear it on the radio, read it in the newspaper, or even see that news on-line??

    If you think 9-11 changed the world. Just wait until the Copenhagen Treaty is signed in December. THAT WILL CHANGE the world as we know it.

    Remember how the Romans 2000 years kept the people happy? They gave them bread and let them play.

    Or like Breshnev (Russian leader in the 70’s) make Vodka cheaper than water… it made his people worry less…

    I would worry if I were you, Copenhagen is only a few weeks away and president Obama WILL sign our freedom away to submit us to a new global legislation.

  • http://www.jungreislaw.com jzj

    To make this something we might be able to readily relate to, it’s worth pointing out that a tax of $50 on a ton of carbon dioxide would work out to a tax of about $.30 per gallon of gasoline.

  • http://www.jungreislaw.com jzj

    To make this something we might be able to readily relate to, it’s worth pointing out that a tax of $50 on a ton of carbon dioxide would work out to a tax of about $.30 per gallon of gasoline.

  • http://www.molvray.com/acid-test/ quixote

    Great article! That kind of information is desperately needed, and unfortunately most economists live in some kind of theoretical Flatland and can’t provide it. Good to know that some of them are finally making themselves useful.

  • http://www.molvray.com/acid-test/ quixote

    Great article! That kind of information is desperately needed, and unfortunately most economists live in some kind of theoretical Flatland and can’t provide it. Good to know that some of them are finally making themselves useful.

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