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	<title>Comments on: The New NIMBY-Defeating Wind Turbine</title>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2009/10/23/the-new-nimby-defeating-wind-turbine/#comment-266000</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2014 06:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I really don&#039;t care how you spend your money.


I do care about misrepresentation.  


Look at the date on this article.  Five years ago


Now go on line and see if you can find any performance data five years later.  You can find some numbers that seem to be calculations based on assumptions but I&#039;ve found no data from an independent testing firm.


What&#039;s my beef?


Snake oil salesmen.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really don&#8217;t care how you spend your money.</p>
<p>I do care about misrepresentation.  </p>
<p>Look at the date on this article.  Five years ago</p>
<p>Now go on line and see if you can find any performance data five years later.  You can find some numbers that seem to be calculations based on assumptions but I&#8217;ve found no data from an independent testing firm.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s my beef?</p>
<p>Snake oil salesmen.</p>
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		<title>By: Redheaded Stepchild</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2009/10/23/the-new-nimby-defeating-wind-turbine/#comment-265982</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Redheaded Stepchild]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2014 05:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace, there&#039;s nothing in the article about anyone getting ripped off. Did you suffer a rip-off on a system like this and are trying to warn people? Are you transferring? What&#039;s your beef? Just because you believe people are pissing their money away...doesn&#039;t make it so. It&#039;s your opinion. Each time I challenge you, you come back with even greater &quot;concerns&quot; about the consumer. Honey, it&#039;s none of your business. If this system can be used in places were regular wind systems are not permitted, and the buyer and the seller come to an agreement, IT IS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.

So chillax.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob_Wallace, there&#8217;s nothing in the article about anyone getting ripped off. Did you suffer a rip-off on a system like this and are trying to warn people? Are you transferring? What&#8217;s your beef? Just because you believe people are pissing their money away&#8230;doesn&#8217;t make it so. It&#8217;s your opinion. Each time I challenge you, you come back with even greater &#8220;concerns&#8221; about the consumer. Honey, it&#8217;s none of your business. If this system can be used in places were regular wind systems are not permitted, and the buyer and the seller come to an agreement, IT IS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.</p>
<p>So chillax.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2009/10/23/the-new-nimby-defeating-wind-turbine/#comment-263117</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2014 04:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If bullshit is allowed to stand then people will get ripped off.


Comprehend?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If bullshit is allowed to stand then people will get ripped off.</p>
<p>Comprehend?</p>
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		<title>By: Redheaded Stepchild</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2009/10/23/the-new-nimby-defeating-wind-turbine/#comment-263116</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Redheaded Stepchild]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2014 04:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Now you&#039;re changing your position? What business is it of yours what the owner does? No one is implying that the owner will get cheated or misled. Good grief. 

It&#039;s the owner of the property who deems whether or not it&#039;s a worthy project for his/her investment, not you. Perhaps you&#039;re being rhetorical, but it really isn&#039;t any of your concern unless the owner complains about being ripped off.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now you&#8217;re changing your position? What business is it of yours what the owner does? No one is implying that the owner will get cheated or misled. Good grief. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s the owner of the property who deems whether or not it&#8217;s a worthy project for his/her investment, not you. Perhaps you&#8217;re being rhetorical, but it really isn&#8217;t any of your concern unless the owner complains about being ripped off.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2009/10/23/the-new-nimby-defeating-wind-turbine/#comment-260541</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2014 04:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If someone wants to piss their own money away I really don&#039;t care.


If someone is misleading others and causing other people to lose money I do care.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If someone wants to piss their own money away I really don&#8217;t care.</p>
<p>If someone is misleading others and causing other people to lose money I do care.</p>
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		<title>By: Redheaded Stepchild</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2009/10/23/the-new-nimby-defeating-wind-turbine/#comment-260460</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Redheaded Stepchild]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2014 21:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If the owner of the property deems the project worthy, why concern yourself?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the owner of the property deems the project worthy, why concern yourself?</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2009/10/23/the-new-nimby-defeating-wind-turbine/#comment-260199</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2014 21:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But why invest money where the payback is lower?


Why not put the money into a more productive wind turbine or solar panels?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But why invest money where the payback is lower?</p>
<p>Why not put the money into a more productive wind turbine or solar panels?</p>
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		<title>By: Redheaded Stepchild</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2009/10/23/the-new-nimby-defeating-wind-turbine/#comment-260191</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Redheaded Stepchild]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2014 20:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In a place where conventional wind turbines are not permitted, these ridgeblade systems might be just the ticket. Better some than none.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a place where conventional wind turbines are not permitted, these ridgeblade systems might be just the ticket. Better some than none.</p>
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		<title>By: bs</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2009/10/23/the-new-nimby-defeating-wind-turbine/#comment-184414</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Oct 2013 12:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;so you can catch about the same amount of wind&quot; - BS, wind speed is related to height. Roof heights are MUCH lower than your average turbine tower.


Also i live NEXT to a &quot;normal&quot; wind generator tower NOW. I know how noisy they are. it&#039;s never about safety, its about the noise and strobing on sunny days. Start writing about theses things when you have experience of living next to one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;so you can catch about the same amount of wind&#8221; &#8211; BS, wind speed is related to height. Roof heights are MUCH lower than your average turbine tower.</p>
<p>Also i live NEXT to a &#8220;normal&#8221; wind generator tower NOW. I know how noisy they are. it&#8217;s never about safety, its about the noise and strobing on sunny days. Start writing about theses things when you have experience of living next to one.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2009/10/23/the-new-nimby-defeating-wind-turbine/#comment-178867</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Aug 2013 05:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[After four years I think it would be safe to assume the stream dried up....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After four years I think it would be safe to assume the stream dried up&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Zane Neff</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2009/10/23/the-new-nimby-defeating-wind-turbine/#comment-178866</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Larry Zane Neff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Aug 2013 05:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, think of a stream where a pinch point is between two rocks.. Current is very fast there..Same principle...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, think of a stream where a pinch point is between two rocks.. Current is very fast there..Same principle&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tora</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2009/10/23/the-new-nimby-defeating-wind-turbine/#comment-131699</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tora]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2012 16:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[it is not possible that more barrel wind turbines multiply the energy from the wind.  they might decrease the losses from running the electric power converters, but increasing aerodynamic energy obtained is sale puffery.  I would like to see how it would work, but extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it is not possible that more barrel wind turbines multiply the energy from the wind.  they might decrease the losses from running the electric power converters, but increasing aerodynamic energy obtained is sale puffery.  I would like to see how it would work, but extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.</p>
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		<title>By: Tora</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2009/10/23/the-new-nimby-defeating-wind-turbine/#comment-131453</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tora]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2012 17:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Okay, Zachary, who works for a power company, where is the website which identifies the alleged falsehood and gives a fact based response.  The alleged falsehoods, start with these fact supported premises: Tower windmills are: eagle slicers, bat lung exploders, make and annoying whump whump whump sound if they are working, use so much concrete for the base they will not balance out the carbon released in the making of the concrete base in hundreds of years, when the windmill is producing power it generally only displaces cleaner natural gas power, not coal or oil.  The light flickering from the blades in the evening and morning is a crazy annoying disco light show.  A windmill does not have to produce a single watt of power to be built because the depreciation, about $10 million in only 3 years allows a &quot;green company&quot; to hide profits and then it is sold to another company to get the same benefit.    Which is not true and lets see the facts, not the name calling.

NPR wrote that the film shows that &quot;the wind business is based less on electricity than on tax credits.&quot;[4]  

^ When A &#039;Windfall&#039; Isn&#039;t Quite What It Seems, NPR, February 2, 2012http://www.npr.org/2012/02/02/146099048/when-a-windfall-isnt-quite-what-it-seems
A killing of bats investigation is here 
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn14593-wind-turbines-make-bat-lungs-explode.html?feedId=online-news_rss20


Small home local generation of power is good.  Corporate payments to campaign funds of US reps and senators to get the tax credits is bad
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, Zachary, who works for a power company, where is the website which identifies the alleged falsehood and gives a fact based response.  The alleged falsehoods, start with these fact supported premises: Tower windmills are: eagle slicers, bat lung exploders, make and annoying whump whump whump sound if they are working, use so much concrete for the base they will not balance out the carbon released in the making of the concrete base in hundreds of years, when the windmill is producing power it generally only displaces cleaner natural gas power, not coal or oil.  The light flickering from the blades in the evening and morning is a crazy annoying disco light show.  A windmill does not have to produce a single watt of power to be built because the depreciation, about $10 million in only 3 years allows a &#8220;green company&#8221; to hide profits and then it is sold to another company to get the same benefit.    Which is not true and lets see the facts, not the name calling.</p>
<p>NPR wrote that the film shows that &#8220;the wind business is based less on electricity than on tax credits.&#8221;[4]  </p>
<p>^ When A &#8216;Windfall&#8217; Isn&#8217;t Quite What It Seems, NPR, February 2, 2012http://www.npr.org/2012/02/02/146099048/when-a-windfall-isnt-quite-what-it-seems<br />
A killing of bats investigation is here<br />
<a href="http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn14593-wind-turbines-make-bat-lungs-explode.html?feedId=online-news_rss20" rel="nofollow">http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn14593-wind-turbines-make-bat-lungs-explode.html?feedId=online-news_rss20</a></p>
<p>Small home local generation of power is good.  Corporate payments to campaign funds of US reps and senators to get the tax credits is bad</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2009/10/23/the-new-nimby-defeating-wind-turbine/#comment-131450</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2012 16:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We actually spend a lot of our time correcting falsehoods like those in Windfall.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We actually spend a lot of our time correcting falsehoods like those in Windfall.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2009/10/23/the-new-nimby-defeating-wind-turbine/#comment-131101</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2012 19:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;d rather we repeat falsehoods produced by the friends of fossil fuels/haters of wind turbines?

OK, understood...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;d rather we repeat falsehoods produced by the friends of fossil fuels/haters of wind turbines?</p>
<p>OK, understood&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tora</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2009/10/23/the-new-nimby-defeating-wind-turbine/#comment-131100</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tora]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2012 18:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Watch Windfall before you repeat falsehoods produced by the multibillion dollar wind energy combines.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Watch Windfall before you repeat falsehoods produced by the multibillion dollar wind energy combines.</p>
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		<title>By: Bluesman50349</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2009/10/23/the-new-nimby-defeating-wind-turbine/#comment-129613</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bluesman50349]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2012 01:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So now all you have to do is figure out how to put the structure on a lazy susan so you can capture the wind from any direction.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So now all you have to do is figure out how to put the structure on a lazy susan so you can capture the wind from any direction.</p>
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		<title>By: Gunzyk</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2009/10/23/the-new-nimby-defeating-wind-turbine/#comment-103741</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gunzyk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Aug 2011 13:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, that device looks discreet and possibly silent (as any tangential blower is). Only trouble is, you have no choice as to the orientation with respect to the wind direction, nor any adjustment with the latter; so, it ight be it is not the most efficient option in many cases.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, that device looks discreet and possibly silent (as any tangential blower is). Only trouble is, you have no choice as to the orientation with respect to the wind direction, nor any adjustment with the latter; so, it ight be it is not the most efficient option in many cases.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2009/10/23/the-new-nimby-defeating-wind-turbine/#comment-102779</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2011 10:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[excellently said. thanks for chiming in.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>excellently said. thanks for chiming in.</p>
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		<title>By: Kplzthx</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2009/10/23/the-new-nimby-defeating-wind-turbine/#comment-102764</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kplzthx]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Aug 2011 15:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You can only hear the sound produced by wind turbines when you are basically stood next to them. The majority of them are placed in areas away from large populations. People who complain about them are fussy. They don&#039;t spoil the landscape in my opinion, in fact I think they look rather majestic. Pipe down and stop moaning. Or would you rather they built a nice big coal power station in that field over there?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can only hear the sound produced by wind turbines when you are basically stood next to them. The majority of them are placed in areas away from large populations. People who complain about them are fussy. They don&#8217;t spoil the landscape in my opinion, in fact I think they look rather majestic. Pipe down and stop moaning. Or would you rather they built a nice big coal power station in that field over there?</p>
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