Comments on: Dead Forests to Fuel Vehicles http://cleantechnica.com/2009/09/15/dead-forests-to-fuel-vehicles/ Clean Tech News & Views: Solar Energy News. Wind Energy News. EV News. & More. Fri, 10 Feb 2012 12:46:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: waltinseattle http://cleantechnica.com/2009/09/15/dead-forests-to-fuel-vehicles/#comment-7037 waltinseattle Mon, 28 Sep 2009 20:25:48 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=3394#comment-7037 not just pine beetles, not just pines. Maples, Ash, Cyprus, Chestnut are already going going and some already gone long gone. Lying there rotting, or as for Chestnut, not rotting... So lets not devise how to shut the barn door and walk away with a smug know it all attitude. The point that catches me is the glib "on site" processing statement. These are not your typical location down the street and take a turn on Pine Street locations. These are places like where I have pulled firewood so many years out here in the west. These are Hard to get to places. So I can assure you there will be some CO2 expended getting the on-site plants up and running. Meaning how efficient will they really get to be, compared to dragging the scrap out to the roadhead/trailhead and doing a real closed system? And who owns the digestive organisms? Oh. No digestive organisms, this will be like a producer gas at the first step(a herritage technology); that is, like we all know, very much a cousin of charcoal production.And a few more inconsequentials like this. Though I must say that I really want these sorts of projects to happen!!! really really do! It's just I am to the point I believe in peeking at the potential deviltry in all those details before jumping in all optimistic and......."gee who could ha thunk....!" not just pine beetles, not just pines. Maples, Ash, Cyprus, Chestnut are already going going and some already gone long gone. Lying there rotting, or as for Chestnut, not rotting…

So lets not devise how to shut the barn door and walk away with a smug know it all attitude.

The point that catches me is the glib “on site” processing statement. These are not your typical location down the street and take a turn on Pine Street locations. These are places like where I have pulled firewood so many years out here in the west. These are Hard to get to places. So I can assure you there will be some CO2 expended getting the on-site plants up and running. Meaning how efficient will they really get to be, compared to dragging the scrap out to the roadhead/trailhead and doing a real closed system? And who owns the digestive organisms? Oh. No digestive organisms, this will be like a producer gas at the first step(a herritage technology); that is, like we all know, very much a cousin of charcoal production.And a few more inconsequentials like this. Though I must say that I really want these sorts of projects to happen!!! really really do!

It’s just I am to the point I believe in peeking at the potential deviltry in all those details before jumping in all optimistic and…….”gee who could ha thunk….!”

]]> By: waltinseattle http://cleantechnica.com/2009/09/15/dead-forests-to-fuel-vehicles/#comment-24289 waltinseattle Mon, 28 Sep 2009 20:25:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=3394#comment-24289 not just pine beetles, not just pines. Maples, Ash, Cyprus, Chestnut are already going going and some already gone long gone. Lying there rotting, or as for Chestnut, not rotting... So lets not devise how to shut the barn door and walk away with a smug know it all attitude. The point that catches me is the glib "on site" processing statement. These are not your typical location down the street and take a turn on Pine Street locations. These are places like where I have pulled firewood so many years out here in the west. These are Hard to get to places. So I can assure you there will be some CO2 expended getting the on-site plants up and running. Meaning how efficient will they really get to be, compared to dragging the scrap out to the roadhead/trailhead and doing a real closed system? And who owns the digestive organisms? Oh. No digestive organisms, this will be like a producer gas at the first step(a herritage technology); that is, like we all know, very much a cousin of charcoal production.And a few more inconsequentials like this. Though I must say that I really want these sorts of projects to happen!!! really really do! It's just I am to the point I believe in peeking at the potential deviltry in all those details before jumping in all optimistic and......."gee who could ha thunk....!" not just pine beetles, not just pines. Maples, Ash, Cyprus, Chestnut are already going going and some already gone long gone. Lying there rotting, or as for Chestnut, not rotting…

So lets not devise how to shut the barn door and walk away with a smug know it all attitude.

The point that catches me is the glib “on site” processing statement. These are not your typical location down the street and take a turn on Pine Street locations. These are places like where I have pulled firewood so many years out here in the west. These are Hard to get to places. So I can assure you there will be some CO2 expended getting the on-site plants up and running. Meaning how efficient will they really get to be, compared to dragging the scrap out to the roadhead/trailhead and doing a real closed system? And who owns the digestive organisms? Oh. No digestive organisms, this will be like a producer gas at the first step(a herritage technology); that is, like we all know, very much a cousin of charcoal production.And a few more inconsequentials like this. Though I must say that I really want these sorts of projects to happen!!! really really do!

It’s just I am to the point I believe in peeking at the potential deviltry in all those details before jumping in all optimistic and…….”gee who could ha thunk….!”

]]> By: vishnu prasanna http://cleantechnica.com/2009/09/15/dead-forests-to-fuel-vehicles/#comment-7036 vishnu prasanna Sun, 27 Sep 2009 13:20:35 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=3394#comment-7036 here the plane which is done is good . i wish to contd the same here the plane which is done is good . i wish to contd the same

]]> By: vishnu prasanna http://cleantechnica.com/2009/09/15/dead-forests-to-fuel-vehicles/#comment-24288 vishnu prasanna Sun, 27 Sep 2009 13:20:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=3394#comment-24288 here the plane which is done is good . i wish to contd the same here the plane which is done is good . i wish to contd the same

]]> By: Federico http://cleantechnica.com/2009/09/15/dead-forests-to-fuel-vehicles/#comment-7035 Federico Thu, 17 Sep 2009 22:00:49 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=3394#comment-7035 Interesting use of dead wood, far for being an actual invention, it is just another use of pyrolysis. Two big issues here, one is related to life cycle issues (some of them mentioned above) and secondly about process and ration of pyrolysis gas to fluid is usable and what is the waste stream of this process. This oil has an high level of acidity, which would need to be manage to actually become a good fuel for engines. Bottom line, the whole article reads like a press release, wonder if I Susan has more technical information to share on this matter. Interesting use of dead wood, far for being an actual invention, it is just another use of pyrolysis. Two big issues here, one is related to life cycle issues (some of them mentioned above) and secondly about process and ration of pyrolysis gas to fluid is usable and what is the waste stream of this process. This oil has an high level of acidity, which would need to be manage to actually become a good fuel for engines. Bottom line, the whole article reads like a press release, wonder if I Susan has more technical information to share on this matter.

]]> By: Federico http://cleantechnica.com/2009/09/15/dead-forests-to-fuel-vehicles/#comment-24287 Federico Thu, 17 Sep 2009 22:00:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=3394#comment-24287 Interesting use of dead wood, far for being an actual invention, it is just another use of pyrolysis. Two big issues here, one is related to life cycle issues (some of them mentioned above) and secondly about process and ration of pyrolysis gas to fluid is usable and what is the waste stream of this process. This oil has an high level of acidity, which would need to be manage to actually become a good fuel for engines. Bottom line, the whole article reads like a press release, wonder if I Susan has more technical information to share on this matter. Interesting use of dead wood, far for being an actual invention, it is just another use of pyrolysis. Two big issues here, one is related to life cycle issues (some of them mentioned above) and secondly about process and ration of pyrolysis gas to fluid is usable and what is the waste stream of this process. This oil has an high level of acidity, which would need to be manage to actually become a good fuel for engines. Bottom line, the whole article reads like a press release, wonder if I Susan has more technical information to share on this matter.

]]> By: Steve http://cleantechnica.com/2009/09/15/dead-forests-to-fuel-vehicles/#comment-7034 Steve Thu, 17 Sep 2009 12:28:43 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=3394#comment-7034 Sure, we could use the money this brings for reforestation. We could plant new trees in the completely barren soil that we create when we leave no humus left in the soil. California will turn into a desert, mark my words. Sure, we could use the money this brings for reforestation. We could plant new trees in the completely barren soil that we create when we leave no humus left in the soil. California will turn into a desert, mark my words.

]]> By: Steve http://cleantechnica.com/2009/09/15/dead-forests-to-fuel-vehicles/#comment-24286 Steve Thu, 17 Sep 2009 12:28:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=3394#comment-24286 Sure, we could use the money this brings for reforestation. We could plant new trees in the completely barren soil that we create when we leave no humus left in the soil. California will turn into a desert, mark my words. Sure, we could use the money this brings for reforestation. We could plant new trees in the completely barren soil that we create when we leave no humus left in the soil. California will turn into a desert, mark my words.

]]> By: bcenviro http://cleantechnica.com/2009/09/15/dead-forests-to-fuel-vehicles/#comment-7033 bcenviro Wed, 16 Sep 2009 22:08:02 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=3394#comment-7033 The pine beetle epidemic is an unstoppable result of temperature changes in North America (deep freezing used to kill enough of the beetles each winter to prevent massive outbreaks, droughts have made the trees more susceptible to attack). MD - if there was an economical means to control the MPB, don't you think governments and private landowners would have done so? Our province has experienced a loss of over 620 million cubic metres of timber since the infestation began. Not only a loss of forestry revenue, dead trees release GHG and in our province MPB is expected to contribute the equivalent of 20% of the total GHG from all the cars, trucks, trains, boats and planes in Canada through 2020 (http://www.for.gov.bc.ca/hfp/mountain_pine_beetle/facts.htm#infestation) Using this dead wood to reduce fossil fuel consumption is clean and could be a source of $$ for reforestation... The pine beetle epidemic is an unstoppable result of temperature changes in North America (deep freezing used to kill enough of the beetles each winter to prevent massive outbreaks, droughts have made the trees more susceptible to attack).

MD – if there was an economical means to control the MPB, don’t you think governments and private landowners would have done so? Our province has experienced a loss of over 620 million cubic metres of timber since the infestation began. Not only a loss of forestry revenue, dead trees release GHG and in our province MPB is expected to contribute the equivalent of 20% of the total GHG from all the cars, trucks, trains, boats and planes in Canada through 2020 (http://www.for.gov.bc.ca/hfp/mountain_pine_beetle/facts.htm#infestation)

Using this dead wood to reduce fossil fuel consumption is clean and could be a source of $$ for reforestation…

]]> By: bcenviro http://cleantechnica.com/2009/09/15/dead-forests-to-fuel-vehicles/#comment-24285 bcenviro Wed, 16 Sep 2009 22:08:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=3394#comment-24285 The pine beetle epidemic is an unstoppable result of temperature changes in North America (deep freezing used to kill enough of the beetles each winter to prevent massive outbreaks, droughts have made the trees more susceptible to attack). MD - if there was an economical means to control the MPB, don't you think governments and private landowners would have done so? Our province has experienced a loss of over 620 million cubic metres of timber since the infestation began. Not only a loss of forestry revenue, dead trees release GHG and in our province MPB is expected to contribute the equivalent of 20% of the total GHG from all the cars, trucks, trains, boats and planes in Canada through 2020 (http://www.for.gov.bc.ca/hfp/mountain_pine_beetle/facts.htm#infestation) Using this dead wood to reduce fossil fuel consumption is clean and could be a source of $$ for reforestation... The pine beetle epidemic is an unstoppable result of temperature changes in North America (deep freezing used to kill enough of the beetles each winter to prevent massive outbreaks, droughts have made the trees more susceptible to attack).

MD – if there was an economical means to control the MPB, don’t you think governments and private landowners would have done so? Our province has experienced a loss of over 620 million cubic metres of timber since the infestation began. Not only a loss of forestry revenue, dead trees release GHG and in our province MPB is expected to contribute the equivalent of 20% of the total GHG from all the cars, trucks, trains, boats and planes in Canada through 2020 (http://www.for.gov.bc.ca/hfp/mountain_pine_beetle/facts.htm#infestation)

Using this dead wood to reduce fossil fuel consumption is clean and could be a source of $$ for reforestation…

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