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		<title>By: JJ</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2009/09/13/making-solar-power-at-the-office/#comment-7474</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 21:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The best thing to put behind the tube is a reflective surface to throw the upwards light back into the room, a mirror can be close to 100% efficient at that simple job.



Converting electricity to light and some back to electricity back to power said light is preposterous nonsense we expect from people with no physics education or even common sense. These things amount to perpetual motion machines which don&#039;t work. Every stage has losses, and fluorescent tubes are only about 20% efficient, the rest is produced as heat but its the best we have right now.



And as others have said, solar cells are never really transparent, and even when they absorb some photons and convert to electricity they also block other wavelengths and convert that to heat.



In general even using solar cells in the office is just plain lazy because the power outlet is literally available a few feet away. There are no cheap efficient solar cells available that warrant use of artificial light. If light is leaving through windows, then use reflective blinds. If light is entering the windows, turn the lighting down.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The best thing to put behind the tube is a reflective surface to throw the upwards light back into the room, a mirror can be close to 100% efficient at that simple job.</p>
<p>Converting electricity to light and some back to electricity back to power said light is preposterous nonsense we expect from people with no physics education or even common sense. These things amount to perpetual motion machines which don&#8217;t work. Every stage has losses, and fluorescent tubes are only about 20% efficient, the rest is produced as heat but its the best we have right now.</p>
<p>And as others have said, solar cells are never really transparent, and even when they absorb some photons and convert to electricity they also block other wavelengths and convert that to heat.</p>
<p>In general even using solar cells in the office is just plain lazy because the power outlet is literally available a few feet away. There are no cheap efficient solar cells available that warrant use of artificial light. If light is leaving through windows, then use reflective blinds. If light is entering the windows, turn the lighting down.</p>
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		<title>By: JJ</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2009/09/13/making-solar-power-at-the-office/#comment-24142</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 21:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The best thing to put behind the tube is a reflective surface to throw the upwards light back into the room, a mirror can be close to 100% efficient at that simple job.



Converting electricity to light and some back to electricity back to power said light is preposterous nonsense we expect from people with no physics education or even common sense. These things amount to perpetual motion machines which don&#039;t work. Every stage has losses, and fluorescent tubes are only about 20% efficient, the rest is produced as heat but its the best we have right now.



And as others have said, solar cells are never really transparent, and even when they absorb some photons and convert to electricity they also block other wavelengths and convert that to heat.



In general even using solar cells in the office is just plain lazy because the power outlet is literally available a few feet away. There are no cheap efficient solar cells available that warrant use of artificial light. If light is leaving through windows, then use reflective blinds. If light is entering the windows, turn the lighting down.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The best thing to put behind the tube is a reflective surface to throw the upwards light back into the room, a mirror can be close to 100% efficient at that simple job.</p>
<p>Converting electricity to light and some back to electricity back to power said light is preposterous nonsense we expect from people with no physics education or even common sense. These things amount to perpetual motion machines which don&#8217;t work. Every stage has losses, and fluorescent tubes are only about 20% efficient, the rest is produced as heat but its the best we have right now.</p>
<p>And as others have said, solar cells are never really transparent, and even when they absorb some photons and convert to electricity they also block other wavelengths and convert that to heat.</p>
<p>In general even using solar cells in the office is just plain lazy because the power outlet is literally available a few feet away. There are no cheap efficient solar cells available that warrant use of artificial light. If light is leaving through windows, then use reflective blinds. If light is entering the windows, turn the lighting down.</p>
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		<title>By: JJ</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2009/09/13/making-solar-power-at-the-office/#comment-24143</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 21:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The best thing to put behind the tube is a reflective surface to throw the upwards light back into the room, a mirror can be close to 100% efficient at that simple job.



Converting electricity to light and some back to electricity back to power said light is preposterous nonsense we expect from people with no physics education or even common sense. These things amount to perpetual motion machines which don&#039;t work. Every stage has losses, and fluorescent tubes are only about 20% efficient, the rest is produced as heat but its the best we have right now.



And as others have said, solar cells are never really transparent, and even when they absorb some photons and convert to electricity they also block other wavelengths and convert that to heat.



In general even using solar cells in the office is just plain lazy because the power outlet is literally available a few feet away. There are no cheap efficient solar cells available that warrant use of artificial light. If light is leaving through windows, then use reflective blinds. If light is entering the windows, turn the lighting down.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The best thing to put behind the tube is a reflective surface to throw the upwards light back into the room, a mirror can be close to 100% efficient at that simple job.</p>
<p>Converting electricity to light and some back to electricity back to power said light is preposterous nonsense we expect from people with no physics education or even common sense. These things amount to perpetual motion machines which don&#8217;t work. Every stage has losses, and fluorescent tubes are only about 20% efficient, the rest is produced as heat but its the best we have right now.</p>
<p>And as others have said, solar cells are never really transparent, and even when they absorb some photons and convert to electricity they also block other wavelengths and convert that to heat.</p>
<p>In general even using solar cells in the office is just plain lazy because the power outlet is literally available a few feet away. There are no cheap efficient solar cells available that warrant use of artificial light. If light is leaving through windows, then use reflective blinds. If light is entering the windows, turn the lighting down.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Kraemer</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2009/09/13/making-solar-power-at-the-office/#comment-7473</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan Kraemer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 07:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Love the idea of it above the fixture. Hive mind, thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love the idea of it above the fixture. Hive mind, thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Kraemer</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2009/09/13/making-solar-power-at-the-office/#comment-24141</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan Kraemer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 07:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Love the idea of it above the fixture. Hive mind, thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love the idea of it above the fixture. Hive mind, thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2009/09/13/making-solar-power-at-the-office/#comment-7472</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gary]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 23:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The idea of putting the material below the light seems feasible if the &quot;transparent material&quot; is truly transparent ... OR simply place the film ABOVE the bulb.



The light transmits all around the flourescent tube and IF the film is transparent or nearly so, it would have no effect on the amount of light reflected from the top of the light fixture.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The idea of putting the material below the light seems feasible if the &#8220;transparent material&#8221; is truly transparent &#8230; OR simply place the film ABOVE the bulb.</p>
<p>The light transmits all around the flourescent tube and IF the film is transparent or nearly so, it would have no effect on the amount of light reflected from the top of the light fixture.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2009/09/13/making-solar-power-at-the-office/#comment-24139</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gary]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 23:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The idea of putting the material below the light seems feasible if the &quot;transparent material&quot; is truly transparent ... OR simply place the film ABOVE the bulb.



The light transmits all around the flourescent tube and IF the film is transparent or nearly so, it would have no effect on the amount of light reflected from the top of the light fixture.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The idea of putting the material below the light seems feasible if the &#8220;transparent material&#8221; is truly transparent &#8230; OR simply place the film ABOVE the bulb.</p>
<p>The light transmits all around the flourescent tube and IF the film is transparent or nearly so, it would have no effect on the amount of light reflected from the top of the light fixture.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2009/09/13/making-solar-power-at-the-office/#comment-24140</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gary]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 23:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The idea of putting the material below the light seems feasible if the &quot;transparent material&quot; is truly transparent ... OR simply place the film ABOVE the bulb.



The light transmits all around the flourescent tube and IF the film is transparent or nearly so, it would have no effect on the amount of light reflected from the top of the light fixture.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The idea of putting the material below the light seems feasible if the &#8220;transparent material&#8221; is truly transparent &#8230; OR simply place the film ABOVE the bulb.</p>
<p>The light transmits all around the flourescent tube and IF the film is transparent or nearly so, it would have no effect on the amount of light reflected from the top of the light fixture.</p>
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		<title>By: Clean Family Energy</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2009/09/13/making-solar-power-at-the-office/#comment-7471</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Clean Family Energy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 22:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting idea and great thought, but I agree with John R. It would require more energy to light the room in this manner. A better idea, put transparent photovoltaic solar panels on all of the windows and roof and use hybrid solar lighting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting idea and great thought, but I agree with John R. It would require more energy to light the room in this manner. A better idea, put transparent photovoltaic solar panels on all of the windows and roof and use hybrid solar lighting.</p>
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		<title>By: Clean Family Energy</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2009/09/13/making-solar-power-at-the-office/#comment-24138</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Clean Family Energy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 22:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting idea and great thought, but I agree with John R. It would require more energy to light the room in this manner. A better idea, put transparent photovoltaic solar panels on all of the windows and roof and use hybrid solar lighting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting idea and great thought, but I agree with John R. It would require more energy to light the room in this manner. A better idea, put transparent photovoltaic solar panels on all of the windows and roof and use hybrid solar lighting.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Lakosh</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2009/09/13/making-solar-power-at-the-office/#comment-7470</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Lakosh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 16:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is a physical impossibility for a PV cell to both capture a photon for power and pass it through unaltered for illumination. Fluorescent lights are designed to only emit visible light and although the cells may appear transparent, they must necessarily reduce the number of illuminating photons, (or minimally change the wavelength as the fluorescent light does), passing through to produce power. You could still collect energy on desktops, etc. but a cover or reflector on the fixture itself is necessarily defeating the purpose of having a light in the first instance.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a physical impossibility for a PV cell to both capture a photon for power and pass it through unaltered for illumination. Fluorescent lights are designed to only emit visible light and although the cells may appear transparent, they must necessarily reduce the number of illuminating photons, (or minimally change the wavelength as the fluorescent light does), passing through to produce power. You could still collect energy on desktops, etc. but a cover or reflector on the fixture itself is necessarily defeating the purpose of having a light in the first instance.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Lakosh</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2009/09/13/making-solar-power-at-the-office/#comment-24136</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Lakosh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 16:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is a physical impossibility for a PV cell to both capture a photon for power and pass it through unaltered for illumination. Fluorescent lights are designed to only emit visible light and although the cells may appear transparent, they must necessarily reduce the number of illuminating photons, (or minimally change the wavelength as the fluorescent light does), passing through to produce power. You could still collect energy on desktops, etc. but a cover or reflector on the fixture itself is necessarily defeating the purpose of having a light in the first instance.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a physical impossibility for a PV cell to both capture a photon for power and pass it through unaltered for illumination. Fluorescent lights are designed to only emit visible light and although the cells may appear transparent, they must necessarily reduce the number of illuminating photons, (or minimally change the wavelength as the fluorescent light does), passing through to produce power. You could still collect energy on desktops, etc. but a cover or reflector on the fixture itself is necessarily defeating the purpose of having a light in the first instance.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Lakosh</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2009/09/13/making-solar-power-at-the-office/#comment-24137</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Lakosh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 16:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://cleantechnica.com/?p=3314#comment-24137</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[It is a physical impossibility for a PV cell to both capture a photon for power and pass it through unaltered for illumination. Fluorescent lights are designed to only emit visible light and although the cells may appear transparent, they must necessarily reduce the number of illuminating photons, (or minimally change the wavelength as the fluorescent light does), passing through to produce power. You could still collect energy on desktops, etc. but a cover or reflector on the fixture itself is necessarily defeating the purpose of having a light in the first instance.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a physical impossibility for a PV cell to both capture a photon for power and pass it through unaltered for illumination. Fluorescent lights are designed to only emit visible light and although the cells may appear transparent, they must necessarily reduce the number of illuminating photons, (or minimally change the wavelength as the fluorescent light does), passing through to produce power. You could still collect energy on desktops, etc. but a cover or reflector on the fixture itself is necessarily defeating the purpose of having a light in the first instance.</p>
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		<title>By: ben</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2009/09/13/making-solar-power-at-the-office/#comment-7469</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ben]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[solar is good energy,it has good future]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>solar is good energy,it has good future</p>
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		<title>By: ben</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2009/09/13/making-solar-power-at-the-office/#comment-24134</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ben]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://cleantechnica.com/?p=3314#comment-24134</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[solar is good energy,it has good future]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>solar is good energy,it has good future</p>
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		<title>By: ben</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2009/09/13/making-solar-power-at-the-office/#comment-24135</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ben]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://cleantechnica.com/?p=3314#comment-24135</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[solar is good energy,it has good future]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>solar is good energy,it has good future</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Kraemer</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2009/09/13/making-solar-power-at-the-office/#comment-7468</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan Kraemer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 05:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My understanding of &quot;transparent&quot; as quoted by their research means that light passes through the film without losing any intensity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My understanding of &#8220;transparent&#8221; as quoted by their research means that light passes through the film without losing any intensity.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Kraemer</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2009/09/13/making-solar-power-at-the-office/#comment-24132</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan Kraemer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 05:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My understanding of &quot;transparent&quot; as quoted by their research means that light passes through the film without losing any intensity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My understanding of &#8220;transparent&#8221; as quoted by their research means that light passes through the film without losing any intensity.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Kraemer</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2009/09/13/making-solar-power-at-the-office/#comment-24133</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan Kraemer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 05:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My understanding of &quot;transparent&quot; as quoted by their research means that light passes through the film without losing any intensity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My understanding of &#8220;transparent&#8221; as quoted by their research means that light passes through the film without losing any intensity.</p>
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		<title>By: Leon</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2009/09/13/making-solar-power-at-the-office/#comment-7467</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Leon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 02:15:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great post.. thanks]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post.. thanks</p>
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