Comments on: US Must Socialize Grid to Add Renewable Energy, Study Finds http://cleantechnica.com/2009/09/12/us-must-socialize-grid-to-add-renewable-energy-study-finds/ Clean Tech News & Views: Solar Energy News. Wind Energy News. EV News. & More. Fri, 10 Feb 2012 16:05:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: George http://cleantechnica.com/2009/09/12/us-must-socialize-grid-to-add-renewable-energy-study-finds/#comment-7438 George Mon, 19 Oct 2009 12:23:18 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=3329#comment-7438 I live in India. It is a semi socialist state with flourishing free market. The market there is so big that it allows fair competition (infinite buyers and near infinite sellers). Infinite buyers allow economies of scale too. To top it there is strong regulation. Our banks did not collapse. Our telephone companies offer the cheapest calls on earth. The public sector companies are used as tools to bring down price still nurturing competition. Airlines compete with Indian Railways. Telecom companies compete with state owned BSNL which makes profit. There is no subsidy. There is only one place on earth where there is perfect free market economy (wrongly called capitalism). It is the city fish markets around the world. Random thoughts but point we state players and regulators are necessary environment for market. I live in India. It is a semi socialist state with flourishing free market. The market there is so big that it allows fair competition (infinite buyers and near infinite sellers). Infinite buyers allow economies of scale too. To top it there is strong regulation. Our banks did not collapse. Our telephone companies offer the cheapest calls on earth. The public sector companies are used as tools to bring down price still nurturing competition. Airlines compete with Indian Railways. Telecom companies compete with state owned BSNL which makes profit. There is no subsidy. There is only one place on earth where there is perfect free market economy (wrongly called capitalism). It is the city fish markets around the world. Random thoughts but point we state players and regulators are necessary environment for market.

]]> By: George http://cleantechnica.com/2009/09/12/us-must-socialize-grid-to-add-renewable-energy-study-finds/#comment-24236 George Mon, 19 Oct 2009 12:23:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=3329#comment-24236 I live in India. It is a semi socialist state with flourishing free market. The market there is so big that it allows fair competition (infinite buyers and near infinite sellers). Infinite buyers allow economies of scale too. To top it there is strong regulation. Our banks did not collapse. Our telephone companies offer the cheapest calls on earth. The public sector companies are used as tools to bring down price still nurturing competition. Airlines compete with Indian Railways. Telecom companies compete with state owned BSNL which makes profit. There is no subsidy. There is only one place on earth where there is perfect free market economy (wrongly called capitalism). It is the city fish markets around the world. Random thoughts but point we state players and regulators are necessary environment for market. I live in India. It is a semi socialist state with flourishing free market. The market there is so big that it allows fair competition (infinite buyers and near infinite sellers). Infinite buyers allow economies of scale too. To top it there is strong regulation. Our banks did not collapse. Our telephone companies offer the cheapest calls on earth. The public sector companies are used as tools to bring down price still nurturing competition. Airlines compete with Indian Railways. Telecom companies compete with state owned BSNL which makes profit. There is no subsidy. There is only one place on earth where there is perfect free market economy (wrongly called capitalism). It is the city fish markets around the world. Random thoughts but point we state players and regulators are necessary environment for market.

]]> By: Susan Kraemer http://cleantechnica.com/2009/09/12/us-must-socialize-grid-to-add-renewable-energy-study-finds/#comment-7437 Susan Kraemer Thu, 17 Sep 2009 21:58:44 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=3329#comment-7437 Nicholas. I was kidding in my title, riffing off the current national furor over any kind of national Common Good right now as some kind of "socialist plot". A national grid infrastructure is no more socialist than national highways, railroads, pipelines, water supply infrastructure, etc. As a nation we will grind to a halt without them. Nicholas. I was kidding in my title, riffing off the current national furor over any kind of national Common Good right now as some kind of “socialist plot”.

A national grid infrastructure is no more socialist than national highways, railroads, pipelines, water supply infrastructure, etc.

As a nation we will grind to a halt without them.

]]> By: Susan Kraemer http://cleantechnica.com/2009/09/12/us-must-socialize-grid-to-add-renewable-energy-study-finds/#comment-24235 Susan Kraemer Thu, 17 Sep 2009 21:58:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=3329#comment-24235 Nicholas. I was kidding in my title, riffing off the current national furor over any kind of national Common Good right now as some kind of "socialist plot". A national grid infrastructure is no more socialist than national highways, railroads, pipelines, water supply infrastructure, etc. As a nation we will grind to a halt without them. Nicholas. I was kidding in my title, riffing off the current national furor over any kind of national Common Good right now as some kind of “socialist plot”.

A national grid infrastructure is no more socialist than national highways, railroads, pipelines, water supply infrastructure, etc.

As a nation we will grind to a halt without them.

]]> By: Nicholas http://cleantechnica.com/2009/09/12/us-must-socialize-grid-to-add-renewable-energy-study-finds/#comment-7436 Nicholas Thu, 17 Sep 2009 13:39:09 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=3329#comment-7436 Aren’t we supposed to be social animals? What’s wrong with Socialism anyway, as long as it doesn’t become abusive and turn into Communism? As a matter of fact it can and shall coexist in harmony with Capitalism, as the inevitable two sides of the same coin. Aren’t we supposed to be social animals? What’s wrong with Socialism anyway, as long as it doesn’t become abusive and turn into Communism? As a matter of fact it can and shall coexist in harmony with Capitalism, as the inevitable two sides of the same coin.

]]> By: Nicholas http://cleantechnica.com/2009/09/12/us-must-socialize-grid-to-add-renewable-energy-study-finds/#comment-24234 Nicholas Thu, 17 Sep 2009 13:39:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=3329#comment-24234 Aren’t we supposed to be social animals? What’s wrong with Socialism anyway, as long as it doesn’t become abusive and turn into Communism? As a matter of fact it can and shall coexist in harmony with Capitalism, as the inevitable two sides of the same coin. Aren’t we supposed to be social animals? What’s wrong with Socialism anyway, as long as it doesn’t become abusive and turn into Communism? As a matter of fact it can and shall coexist in harmony with Capitalism, as the inevitable two sides of the same coin.

]]> By: Susan Kraemer http://cleantechnica.com/2009/09/12/us-must-socialize-grid-to-add-renewable-energy-study-finds/#comment-7435 Susan Kraemer Tue, 15 Sep 2009 23:36:52 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=3329#comment-7435 Inquisitive - incredibly long pdf source for this story is the link at end of story - should have some more detail on China, UK. Hope we do find a solution here. Inquisitive – incredibly long pdf source for this story is the link at end of story – should have some more detail on China, UK.

Hope we do find a solution here.

]]> By: Susan Kraemer http://cleantechnica.com/2009/09/12/us-must-socialize-grid-to-add-renewable-energy-study-finds/#comment-24233 Susan Kraemer Tue, 15 Sep 2009 23:36:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=3329#comment-24233 Inquisitive - incredibly long pdf source for this story is the link at end of story - should have some more detail on China, UK. Hope we do find a solution here. Inquisitive – incredibly long pdf source for this story is the link at end of story – should have some more detail on China, UK.

Hope we do find a solution here.

]]> By: Inquisitive http://cleantechnica.com/2009/09/12/us-must-socialize-grid-to-add-renewable-energy-study-finds/#comment-7434 Inquisitive Tue, 15 Sep 2009 19:55:04 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=3329#comment-7434 Thanks Susan, an interesting article. Links to further reading on how the UK and China accomplished their changes would be most useful. Also, I wonder whether -- as an interim step before nationalization, and in a bow to property rights and profit motives -- the Government might change its accounting rules to re-allow Pooling-of-Interest accounting treatments for mergers in the energy transmission sector? This change (and some others) would likely go a long way toward promoting mergers among transmission providers. In this way, the government could end up with a much reduced number of players, making any future regulation/cooperation/nationalization easier. It might eliminate a source of tax revenue for the government on the mergers, but so what -- what it really wants is the creation of fewer, merged entities, not more tax revenue. Just a thought Thanks Susan,

an interesting article. Links to further reading on how the UK and China accomplished their changes would be most useful.

Also, I wonder whether — as an interim step before nationalization, and in a bow to property rights and profit motives — the Government might change its accounting rules to re-allow Pooling-of-Interest accounting treatments for mergers in the energy transmission sector? This change (and some others) would likely go a long way toward promoting mergers among transmission providers. In this way, the government could end up with a much reduced number of players, making any future regulation/cooperation/nationalization easier. It might eliminate a source of tax revenue for the government on the mergers, but so what — what it really wants is the creation of fewer, merged entities, not more tax revenue.

Just a thought

]]> By: Inquisitive http://cleantechnica.com/2009/09/12/us-must-socialize-grid-to-add-renewable-energy-study-finds/#comment-24232 Inquisitive Tue, 15 Sep 2009 19:55:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=3329#comment-24232 Thanks Susan, an interesting article. Links to further reading on how the UK and China accomplished their changes would be most useful. Also, I wonder whether -- as an interim step before nationalization, and in a bow to property rights and profit motives -- the Government might change its accounting rules to re-allow Pooling-of-Interest accounting treatments for mergers in the energy transmission sector? This change (and some others) would likely go a long way toward promoting mergers among transmission providers. In this way, the government could end up with a much reduced number of players, making any future regulation/cooperation/nationalization easier. It might eliminate a source of tax revenue for the government on the mergers, but so what -- what it really wants is the creation of fewer, merged entities, not more tax revenue. Just a thought Thanks Susan,

an interesting article. Links to further reading on how the UK and China accomplished their changes would be most useful.

Also, I wonder whether — as an interim step before nationalization, and in a bow to property rights and profit motives — the Government might change its accounting rules to re-allow Pooling-of-Interest accounting treatments for mergers in the energy transmission sector? This change (and some others) would likely go a long way toward promoting mergers among transmission providers. In this way, the government could end up with a much reduced number of players, making any future regulation/cooperation/nationalization easier. It might eliminate a source of tax revenue for the government on the mergers, but so what — what it really wants is the creation of fewer, merged entities, not more tax revenue.

Just a thought

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