Comments on: Waxman-Markey Cap and Trade Will Pay For Itself, CBO Finds http://cleantechnica.com/2009/09/10/waxman-markey-cap-and-trade-will-pay-for-itself-cbo-finds/ Clean Tech News & Views: Solar Energy News. Wind Energy News. EV News. & More. Fri, 10 Feb 2012 16:05:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Tom http://cleantechnica.com/2009/09/10/waxman-markey-cap-and-trade-will-pay-for-itself-cbo-finds/#comment-7361 Tom Thu, 17 Sep 2009 18:27:57 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=3318#comment-7361 This whole "communist" and "socialist" rhetoric is so tiring and ignorant. This whole “communist” and “socialist” rhetoric is so tiring and ignorant.

]]> By: Tom http://cleantechnica.com/2009/09/10/waxman-markey-cap-and-trade-will-pay-for-itself-cbo-finds/#comment-24224 Tom Thu, 17 Sep 2009 18:27:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=3318#comment-24224 This whole "communist" and "socialist" rhetoric is so tiring and ignorant. This whole “communist” and “socialist” rhetoric is so tiring and ignorant.

]]> By: Ted http://cleantechnica.com/2009/09/10/waxman-markey-cap-and-trade-will-pay-for-itself-cbo-finds/#comment-7360 Ted Thu, 17 Sep 2009 11:29:46 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=3318#comment-7360 M. jones - Good to see conservatives embracing intelligence and rational thought. When Glenn Beck comes TV on do yourself a favor and turn it off. I am so glad I left America. The stupidity is mind boggling OBAMA IS A SOCIALIST! Take a civics course or better yet grow a brain. I'm guessing a Christian home school education M. jones – Good to see conservatives embracing intelligence and rational thought. When Glenn Beck comes TV on do yourself a favor and turn it off. I am so glad I left America. The stupidity is mind boggling OBAMA IS A SOCIALIST! Take a civics course or better yet grow a brain. I’m guessing a Christian home school education

]]> By: Ted http://cleantechnica.com/2009/09/10/waxman-markey-cap-and-trade-will-pay-for-itself-cbo-finds/#comment-24223 Ted Thu, 17 Sep 2009 11:29:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=3318#comment-24223 M. jones - Good to see conservatives embracing intelligence and rational thought. When Glenn Beck comes TV on do yourself a favor and turn it off. I am so glad I left America. The stupidity is mind boggling OBAMA IS A SOCIALIST! Take a civics course or better yet grow a brain. I'm guessing a Christian home school education M. jones – Good to see conservatives embracing intelligence and rational thought. When Glenn Beck comes TV on do yourself a favor and turn it off. I am so glad I left America. The stupidity is mind boggling OBAMA IS A SOCIALIST! Take a civics course or better yet grow a brain. I’m guessing a Christian home school education

]]> By: Susan Kraemer http://cleantechnica.com/2009/09/10/waxman-markey-cap-and-trade-will-pay-for-itself-cbo-finds/#comment-7359 Susan Kraemer Thu, 17 Sep 2009 01:46:52 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=3318#comment-7359 @James - interesting perspective. "Power companies need not use less or cleaner forms of fossil fuel under a cap and trade program. They will just pay a higher price for their use of traditional fuels." Yes. In the uproar over Cap and Trade - that gets missed. "These costs will be passed on to their customers. Carve outs for citizens for recovery from price impacts are in the current bill that is before the Senate. This will lessen the financial impact on individuals." Yes, this too. 76% of the benefits of Cap and Rebate" aspect of trade go to individuals as rebates and subsidies to reverse the cost increases in electricity if their utility won't buy renewables. @James – interesting perspective.

“Power companies need not use less or cleaner forms of fossil fuel under a cap and trade program. They will just pay a higher price for their use of traditional fuels.”

Yes. In the uproar over Cap and Trade – that gets missed.

“These costs will be passed on to their customers. Carve outs for citizens for recovery from price impacts are in the current bill that is before the Senate.

This will lessen the financial impact on individuals.”

Yes, this too. 76% of the benefits of Cap and Rebate” aspect of trade go to individuals as rebates and subsidies to reverse the cost increases in electricity if their utility won’t buy renewables.

]]> By: Susan Kraemer http://cleantechnica.com/2009/09/10/waxman-markey-cap-and-trade-will-pay-for-itself-cbo-finds/#comment-24222 Susan Kraemer Thu, 17 Sep 2009 01:46:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=3318#comment-24222 @James - interesting perspective. "Power companies need not use less or cleaner forms of fossil fuel under a cap and trade program. They will just pay a higher price for their use of traditional fuels." Yes. In the uproar over Cap and Trade - that gets missed. "These costs will be passed on to their customers. Carve outs for citizens for recovery from price impacts are in the current bill that is before the Senate. This will lessen the financial impact on individuals." Yes, this too. 76% of the benefits of Cap and Rebate" aspect of trade go to individuals as rebates and subsidies to reverse the cost increases in electricity if their utility won't buy renewables. @James – interesting perspective.

“Power companies need not use less or cleaner forms of fossil fuel under a cap and trade program. They will just pay a higher price for their use of traditional fuels.”

Yes. In the uproar over Cap and Trade – that gets missed.

“These costs will be passed on to their customers. Carve outs for citizens for recovery from price impacts are in the current bill that is before the Senate.

This will lessen the financial impact on individuals.”

Yes, this too. 76% of the benefits of Cap and Rebate” aspect of trade go to individuals as rebates and subsidies to reverse the cost increases in electricity if their utility won’t buy renewables.

]]> By: James http://cleantechnica.com/2009/09/10/waxman-markey-cap-and-trade-will-pay-for-itself-cbo-finds/#comment-7358 James Wed, 16 Sep 2009 13:42:57 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=3318#comment-7358 As the President of a rural electric cooperative I have been following this discussion from its beginning. From my understanding of the situation I am prepared to say that cap and trade works as an incentive to produce emissions-free energy. The externalities of fossil fueled power are not being included in the equation of the costs of power today. Cap and trade makes these costs real and requires a response to them. Power companies need not use less or cleaner forms of fossil fuel under a cap and trade program. They will just pay a higher price for their use of traditional fuels. These costs will be passed on to their customers. Carve outs for citizens for recovery from price impacts are in the current bill that is before the Senate. This will lessen the financial impact on individuals. Conservation measures will be implemented by large users who do not fully recover costs. Excessive use of energy is rampant in our country so conservation is not only possible but appropriate. At the utilities we are preparing our members for impacts from cap and trade by educating them on energy conservation and efficiency and by offering them programs that will help with the implementation of such measures. Our board of directors and management team understand that we have a duty to provide energy to our members but we also have a moral responsibility to not harm them in the process. We further understand that discussions of economics are secondary to discussions of human health and the protection of the biodiversity of the world upon which all of our natural and man-made systems rely. As the President of a rural electric cooperative I have been following this discussion from its beginning. From my understanding of the situation I am prepared to say that cap and trade works as an incentive to produce emissions-free energy. The externalities of fossil fueled power are not being included in the equation of the costs of power today. Cap and trade makes these costs real and requires a response to them. Power companies need not use less or cleaner forms of fossil fuel under a cap and trade program. They will just pay a higher price for their use of traditional fuels. These costs will be passed on to their customers. Carve outs for citizens for recovery from price impacts are in the current bill that is before the Senate. This will lessen the financial impact on individuals. Conservation measures will be implemented by large users who do not fully recover costs. Excessive use of energy is rampant in our country so conservation is not only possible but appropriate. At the utilities we are preparing our members for impacts from cap and trade by educating them on energy conservation and efficiency and by offering them programs that will help with the implementation of such measures. Our board of directors and management team understand that we have a duty to provide energy to our members but we also have a moral responsibility to not harm them in the process. We further understand that discussions of economics are secondary to discussions of human health and the protection of the biodiversity of the world upon which all of our natural and man-made systems rely.

]]> By: James http://cleantechnica.com/2009/09/10/waxman-markey-cap-and-trade-will-pay-for-itself-cbo-finds/#comment-24221 James Wed, 16 Sep 2009 13:42:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=3318#comment-24221 As the President of a rural electric cooperative I have been following this discussion from its beginning. From my understanding of the situation I am prepared to say that cap and trade works as an incentive to produce emissions-free energy. The externalities of fossil fueled power are not being included in the equation of the costs of power today. Cap and trade makes these costs real and requires a response to them. Power companies need not use less or cleaner forms of fossil fuel under a cap and trade program. They will just pay a higher price for their use of traditional fuels. These costs will be passed on to their customers. Carve outs for citizens for recovery from price impacts are in the current bill that is before the Senate. This will lessen the financial impact on individuals. Conservation measures will be implemented by large users who do not fully recover costs. Excessive use of energy is rampant in our country so conservation is not only possible but appropriate. At the utilities we are preparing our members for impacts from cap and trade by educating them on energy conservation and efficiency and by offering them programs that will help with the implementation of such measures. Our board of directors and management team understand that we have a duty to provide energy to our members but we also have a moral responsibility to not harm them in the process. We further understand that discussions of economics are secondary to discussions of human health and the protection of the biodiversity of the world upon which all of our natural and man-made systems rely. As the President of a rural electric cooperative I have been following this discussion from its beginning. From my understanding of the situation I am prepared to say that cap and trade works as an incentive to produce emissions-free energy. The externalities of fossil fueled power are not being included in the equation of the costs of power today. Cap and trade makes these costs real and requires a response to them. Power companies need not use less or cleaner forms of fossil fuel under a cap and trade program. They will just pay a higher price for their use of traditional fuels. These costs will be passed on to their customers. Carve outs for citizens for recovery from price impacts are in the current bill that is before the Senate. This will lessen the financial impact on individuals. Conservation measures will be implemented by large users who do not fully recover costs. Excessive use of energy is rampant in our country so conservation is not only possible but appropriate. At the utilities we are preparing our members for impacts from cap and trade by educating them on energy conservation and efficiency and by offering them programs that will help with the implementation of such measures. Our board of directors and management team understand that we have a duty to provide energy to our members but we also have a moral responsibility to not harm them in the process. We further understand that discussions of economics are secondary to discussions of human health and the protection of the biodiversity of the world upon which all of our natural and man-made systems rely.

]]> By: M. Jones http://cleantechnica.com/2009/09/10/waxman-markey-cap-and-trade-will-pay-for-itself-cbo-finds/#comment-7355 M. Jones Sun, 13 Sep 2009 13:14:39 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=3318#comment-7355 Comrades! You will receive the Order of Lenin for your efforts in advancing the Communist Cause! Socialize! Socialize! Socialize! Altogether Now! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suVB3YGIUk0 Comrades!

You will receive the Order of Lenin for your efforts in advancing the Communist Cause!

Socialize! Socialize! Socialize!

Altogether Now!

]]> By: M. Jones http://cleantechnica.com/2009/09/10/waxman-markey-cap-and-trade-will-pay-for-itself-cbo-finds/#comment-24220 M. Jones Sun, 13 Sep 2009 13:14:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=3318#comment-24220 Comrades! You will receive the Order of Lenin for your efforts in advancing the Communist Cause! Socialize! Socialize! Socialize! Altogether Now! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suVB3YGIUk0 Comrades!

You will receive the Order of Lenin for your efforts in advancing the Communist Cause!

Socialize! Socialize! Socialize!

Altogether Now!

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