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		<title>By: thabick</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2009/08/27/biomimic-helix-wind-to-offer-financing/#comment-7028</link>
		<dc:creator>thabick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 16:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t mention above the renewable energy credits that people have been talking about. That, I imagine, is linked to a cap and trade system being implemented in the US. That would change my payoff calculations above. But enjoying a carbon-neutral lifestyle was already payoff enough for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t mention above the renewable energy credits that people have been talking about. That, I imagine, is linked to a cap and trade system being implemented in the US. That would change my payoff calculations above. But enjoying a carbon-neutral lifestyle was already payoff enough for me.</p>
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		<title>By: thabick</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2009/08/27/biomimic-helix-wind-to-offer-financing/#comment-24007</link>
		<dc:creator>thabick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 16:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t mention above the renewable energy credits that people have been talking about. That, I imagine, is linked to a cap and trade system being implemented in the US. That would change my payoff calculations above. But enjoying a carbon-neutral lifestyle was already payoff enough for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t mention above the renewable energy credits that people have been talking about. That, I imagine, is linked to a cap and trade system being implemented in the US. That would change my payoff calculations above. But enjoying a carbon-neutral lifestyle was already payoff enough for me.</p>
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		<title>By: thabick</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2009/08/27/biomimic-helix-wind-to-offer-financing/#comment-7027</link>
		<dc:creator>thabick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 15:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do wish I could save even $75,000 over the next 25 years, but the solar savings won&#039;t be anything like that for me unless the price of electricity goes up significantly from its current $.15/kwh. (The price is SURE to go up in 2011, after deregulation in Pennsylvania, but not clear by how much.)



I installed 5 months ago solar panels that are supposed to produce 5 megawatts per year. So far (in autumn and winter months) we&#039;ve generated just under 2 megawatts. So the system seems to be about on target for generation. But 5000 x .15 = $750. So at current rates, it&#039;ll take 22 years for me to get back my investment of $35,000 (minus PA Sunshine rebate of $11,500 plus Federal Tax Credit of $7050) = $16,450. That is, if electricity continues to be charged in my region at .15 per kwh, which it will not.



However, I am not complaining; I just want the figures to be clear for those interested. And I will get an incredibly generous rebate from Pennsylvania. I mean, I&#039;m supposed to get one. It hasn&#039;t shown up yet, and now 5 months after installation, they say they want to inspect the system again. I do imagine I&#039;ll get the rebate some day, and the federal tax credit seems like a sure thing. Note that the 30% is taken AFTER any state rebates, so it&#039;s 30% of $23,500 (=$7050).



And who would have thought that the year I installed solar panels would be a record-breaking snow dump in my area. I&#039;ve shoveled off the panels three times so far. Not that it&#039;s required, I just do that to maximize my yield. One could just wait for it to melt, but I like to see the generation continue on the sunny days after the big snows.



So one would need to be motivated by something other than finances at current electricity rates. And I am. It&#039;s like purchasing a $16,500 science project or toy that has the benefit of clearly helping the environment while slowing paying me back. People (seem to) think nothing of spending $45,000 for a Lexus. I drive a gas-miser Geo Metro that I bought for $1,700. So it depends on how we choose to spend our disposable income. With the Lexus, the money drains out of your account and never comes back; with energy projects it goes out and then comes back



As for the stimulus effects of these rebates and tax credits, I&#039;ve learned how that works. I stimulated the economy by putting out $35,000 in cash. Some day, maybe in a couple of months, I&#039;ll get the $18,550 back. And I&#039;ll spend that windfall on installing a geothermal (actually ground source) heating/cooling system to supplement my current gas-steam system.



I was interested in the wind turbines too (why not?) but have decided that wind power doesn&#039;t make sense in my location.



Perhaps the best energy bang for buck is the very unexciting insulation. (I&#039;ll get a $1,500 federal tax credit on that too, based on at least $5,000 in cost.) Just look at how fast the snow melts on your roof. If it melts quickly, you&#039;re REALLY contributing to global warming--you&#039;re heating up your neighborhood instead of your house! Another of my hobbies is to look at rooftops in the snow and see which ones have quickly melted, and which not. Many of the newly constructed townhouses are snow-free within a day or two. I guess buyers don&#039;t notice this feature, since most people buy during the spring.



Maybe I&#039;ll save a lot of money over the long term with my insulation, solar, and geothermal projects. I know that many people cannot afford these fancy wind, solar, and geothermal projects, but almost everyone can afford a few sheets of insulation. The payoff is amazingly fast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do wish I could save even $75,000 over the next 25 years, but the solar savings won&#8217;t be anything like that for me unless the price of electricity goes up significantly from its current $.15/kwh. (The price is SURE to go up in 2011, after deregulation in Pennsylvania, but not clear by how much.)</p>
<p>I installed 5 months ago solar panels that are supposed to produce 5 megawatts per year. So far (in autumn and winter months) we&#8217;ve generated just under 2 megawatts. So the system seems to be about on target for generation. But 5000 x .15 = $750. So at current rates, it&#8217;ll take 22 years for me to get back my investment of $35,000 (minus PA Sunshine rebate of $11,500 plus Federal Tax Credit of $7050) = $16,450. That is, if electricity continues to be charged in my region at .15 per kwh, which it will not.</p>
<p>However, I am not complaining; I just want the figures to be clear for those interested. And I will get an incredibly generous rebate from Pennsylvania. I mean, I&#8217;m supposed to get one. It hasn&#8217;t shown up yet, and now 5 months after installation, they say they want to inspect the system again. I do imagine I&#8217;ll get the rebate some day, and the federal tax credit seems like a sure thing. Note that the 30% is taken AFTER any state rebates, so it&#8217;s 30% of $23,500 (=$7050).</p>
<p>And who would have thought that the year I installed solar panels would be a record-breaking snow dump in my area. I&#8217;ve shoveled off the panels three times so far. Not that it&#8217;s required, I just do that to maximize my yield. One could just wait for it to melt, but I like to see the generation continue on the sunny days after the big snows.</p>
<p>So one would need to be motivated by something other than finances at current electricity rates. And I am. It&#8217;s like purchasing a $16,500 science project or toy that has the benefit of clearly helping the environment while slowing paying me back. People (seem to) think nothing of spending $45,000 for a Lexus. I drive a gas-miser Geo Metro that I bought for $1,700. So it depends on how we choose to spend our disposable income. With the Lexus, the money drains out of your account and never comes back; with energy projects it goes out and then comes back</p>
<p>As for the stimulus effects of these rebates and tax credits, I&#8217;ve learned how that works. I stimulated the economy by putting out $35,000 in cash. Some day, maybe in a couple of months, I&#8217;ll get the $18,550 back. And I&#8217;ll spend that windfall on installing a geothermal (actually ground source) heating/cooling system to supplement my current gas-steam system.</p>
<p>I was interested in the wind turbines too (why not?) but have decided that wind power doesn&#8217;t make sense in my location.</p>
<p>Perhaps the best energy bang for buck is the very unexciting insulation. (I&#8217;ll get a $1,500 federal tax credit on that too, based on at least $5,000 in cost.) Just look at how fast the snow melts on your roof. If it melts quickly, you&#8217;re REALLY contributing to global warming&#8211;you&#8217;re heating up your neighborhood instead of your house! Another of my hobbies is to look at rooftops in the snow and see which ones have quickly melted, and which not. Many of the newly constructed townhouses are snow-free within a day or two. I guess buyers don&#8217;t notice this feature, since most people buy during the spring.</p>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;ll save a lot of money over the long term with my insulation, solar, and geothermal projects. I know that many people cannot afford these fancy wind, solar, and geothermal projects, but almost everyone can afford a few sheets of insulation. The payoff is amazingly fast.</p>
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		<title>By: thabick</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2009/08/27/biomimic-helix-wind-to-offer-financing/#comment-24006</link>
		<dc:creator>thabick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 15:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do wish I could save even $75,000 over the next 25 years, but the solar savings won&#039;t be anything like that for me unless the price of electricity goes up significantly from its current $.15/kwh. (The price is SURE to go up in 2011, after deregulation in Pennsylvania, but not clear by how much.)



I installed 5 months ago solar panels that are supposed to produce 5 megawatts per year. So far (in autumn and winter months) we&#039;ve generated just under 2 megawatts. So the system seems to be about on target for generation. But 5000 x .15 = $750. So at current rates, it&#039;ll take 22 years for me to get back my investment of $35,000 (minus PA Sunshine rebate of $11,500 plus Federal Tax Credit of $7050) = $16,450. That is, if electricity continues to be charged in my region at .15 per kwh, which it will not.



However, I am not complaining; I just want the figures to be clear for those interested. And I will get an incredibly generous rebate from Pennsylvania. I mean, I&#039;m supposed to get one. It hasn&#039;t shown up yet, and now 5 months after installation, they say they want to inspect the system again. I do imagine I&#039;ll get the rebate some day, and the federal tax credit seems like a sure thing. Note that the 30% is taken AFTER any state rebates, so it&#039;s 30% of $23,500 (=$7050).



And who would have thought that the year I installed solar panels would be a record-breaking snow dump in my area. I&#039;ve shoveled off the panels three times so far. Not that it&#039;s required, I just do that to maximize my yield. One could just wait for it to melt, but I like to see the generation continue on the sunny days after the big snows.



So one would need to be motivated by something other than finances at current electricity rates. And I am. It&#039;s like purchasing a $16,500 science project or toy that has the benefit of clearly helping the environment while slowing paying me back. People (seem to) think nothing of spending $45,000 for a Lexus. I drive a gas-miser Geo Metro that I bought for $1,700. So it depends on how we choose to spend our disposable income. With the Lexus, the money drains out of your account and never comes back; with energy projects it goes out and then comes back



As for the stimulus effects of these rebates and tax credits, I&#039;ve learned how that works. I stimulated the economy by putting out $35,000 in cash. Some day, maybe in a couple of months, I&#039;ll get the $18,550 back. And I&#039;ll spend that windfall on installing a geothermal (actually ground source) heating/cooling system to supplement my current gas-steam system.



I was interested in the wind turbines too (why not?) but have decided that wind power doesn&#039;t make sense in my location.



Perhaps the best energy bang for buck is the very unexciting insulation. (I&#039;ll get a $1,500 federal tax credit on that too, based on at least $5,000 in cost.) Just look at how fast the snow melts on your roof. If it melts quickly, you&#039;re REALLY contributing to global warming--you&#039;re heating up your neighborhood instead of your house! Another of my hobbies is to look at rooftops in the snow and see which ones have quickly melted, and which not. Many of the newly constructed townhouses are snow-free within a day or two. I guess buyers don&#039;t notice this feature, since most people buy during the spring.



Maybe I&#039;ll save a lot of money over the long term with my insulation, solar, and geothermal projects. I know that many people cannot afford these fancy wind, solar, and geothermal projects, but almost everyone can afford a few sheets of insulation. The payoff is amazingly fast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do wish I could save even $75,000 over the next 25 years, but the solar savings won&#8217;t be anything like that for me unless the price of electricity goes up significantly from its current $.15/kwh. (The price is SURE to go up in 2011, after deregulation in Pennsylvania, but not clear by how much.)</p>
<p>I installed 5 months ago solar panels that are supposed to produce 5 megawatts per year. So far (in autumn and winter months) we&#8217;ve generated just under 2 megawatts. So the system seems to be about on target for generation. But 5000 x .15 = $750. So at current rates, it&#8217;ll take 22 years for me to get back my investment of $35,000 (minus PA Sunshine rebate of $11,500 plus Federal Tax Credit of $7050) = $16,450. That is, if electricity continues to be charged in my region at .15 per kwh, which it will not.</p>
<p>However, I am not complaining; I just want the figures to be clear for those interested. And I will get an incredibly generous rebate from Pennsylvania. I mean, I&#8217;m supposed to get one. It hasn&#8217;t shown up yet, and now 5 months after installation, they say they want to inspect the system again. I do imagine I&#8217;ll get the rebate some day, and the federal tax credit seems like a sure thing. Note that the 30% is taken AFTER any state rebates, so it&#8217;s 30% of $23,500 (=$7050).</p>
<p>And who would have thought that the year I installed solar panels would be a record-breaking snow dump in my area. I&#8217;ve shoveled off the panels three times so far. Not that it&#8217;s required, I just do that to maximize my yield. One could just wait for it to melt, but I like to see the generation continue on the sunny days after the big snows.</p>
<p>So one would need to be motivated by something other than finances at current electricity rates. And I am. It&#8217;s like purchasing a $16,500 science project or toy that has the benefit of clearly helping the environment while slowing paying me back. People (seem to) think nothing of spending $45,000 for a Lexus. I drive a gas-miser Geo Metro that I bought for $1,700. So it depends on how we choose to spend our disposable income. With the Lexus, the money drains out of your account and never comes back; with energy projects it goes out and then comes back</p>
<p>As for the stimulus effects of these rebates and tax credits, I&#8217;ve learned how that works. I stimulated the economy by putting out $35,000 in cash. Some day, maybe in a couple of months, I&#8217;ll get the $18,550 back. And I&#8217;ll spend that windfall on installing a geothermal (actually ground source) heating/cooling system to supplement my current gas-steam system.</p>
<p>I was interested in the wind turbines too (why not?) but have decided that wind power doesn&#8217;t make sense in my location.</p>
<p>Perhaps the best energy bang for buck is the very unexciting insulation. (I&#8217;ll get a $1,500 federal tax credit on that too, based on at least $5,000 in cost.) Just look at how fast the snow melts on your roof. If it melts quickly, you&#8217;re REALLY contributing to global warming&#8211;you&#8217;re heating up your neighborhood instead of your house! Another of my hobbies is to look at rooftops in the snow and see which ones have quickly melted, and which not. Many of the newly constructed townhouses are snow-free within a day or two. I guess buyers don&#8217;t notice this feature, since most people buy during the spring.</p>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;ll save a lot of money over the long term with my insulation, solar, and geothermal projects. I know that many people cannot afford these fancy wind, solar, and geothermal projects, but almost everyone can afford a few sheets of insulation. The payoff is amazingly fast.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Kraemer</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2009/08/27/biomimic-helix-wind-to-offer-financing/#comment-7026</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan Kraemer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 20:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point. Not only that, but the $75,000-$500,000 we who install renewables don&#039;t have to pay to our electric utility over the next 25 years, is freed up to be spent on each others businesses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point. Not only that, but the $75,000-$500,000 we who install renewables don&#8217;t have to pay to our electric utility over the next 25 years, is freed up to be spent on each others businesses.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Kraemer</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2009/08/27/biomimic-helix-wind-to-offer-financing/#comment-24005</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan Kraemer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 20:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point. Not only that, but the $75,000-$500,000 we who install renewables don&#039;t have to pay to our electric utility over the next 25 years, is freed up to be spent on each others businesses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point. Not only that, but the $75,000-$500,000 we who install renewables don&#8217;t have to pay to our electric utility over the next 25 years, is freed up to be spent on each others businesses.</p>
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		<title>By: thabick</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2009/08/27/biomimic-helix-wind-to-offer-financing/#comment-7025</link>
		<dc:creator>thabick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 17:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To those who say that subsidies for alternative energy allow some to participate while all pay the bill, thank you for paying my bill! I really appreciate it. However, we&#039;re all paying for the subsidies given to fossil fuels. The wars we&#039;re fighting are for fossil fuels, and the degradation of the environment due to fossil fuel emissions are also hidden costs of those forms of energy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To those who say that subsidies for alternative energy allow some to participate while all pay the bill, thank you for paying my bill! I really appreciate it. However, we&#8217;re all paying for the subsidies given to fossil fuels. The wars we&#8217;re fighting are for fossil fuels, and the degradation of the environment due to fossil fuel emissions are also hidden costs of those forms of energy.</p>
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		<title>By: thabick</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2009/08/27/biomimic-helix-wind-to-offer-financing/#comment-24004</link>
		<dc:creator>thabick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 17:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To those who say that subsidies for alternative energy allow some to participate while all pay the bill, thank you for paying my bill! I really appreciate it. However, we&#039;re all paying for the subsidies given to fossil fuels. The wars we&#039;re fighting are for fossil fuels, and the degradation of the environment due to fossil fuel emissions are also hidden costs of those forms of energy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To those who say that subsidies for alternative energy allow some to participate while all pay the bill, thank you for paying my bill! I really appreciate it. However, we&#8217;re all paying for the subsidies given to fossil fuels. The wars we&#8217;re fighting are for fossil fuels, and the degradation of the environment due to fossil fuel emissions are also hidden costs of those forms of energy.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2009/08/27/biomimic-helix-wind-to-offer-financing/#comment-7024</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Rich Johnson:Clean coal,gas?There&#039;s no such thing as clean coal,and were running out of gas.As for nuclear,maybe we can store some waste under your town.It should help with your heating bill,for about 2,000,000 years.If we took one quarter of the resources currently focused on oil,and moved it towards clean,free energy,we would have it within 10 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Rich Johnson:Clean coal,gas?There&#8217;s no such thing as clean coal,and were running out of gas.As for nuclear,maybe we can store some waste under your town.It should help with your heating bill,for about 2,000,000 years.If we took one quarter of the resources currently focused on oil,and moved it towards clean,free energy,we would have it within 10 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2009/08/27/biomimic-helix-wind-to-offer-financing/#comment-24003</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Rich Johnson:Clean coal,gas?There&#039;s no such thing as clean coal,and were running out of gas.As for nuclear,maybe we can store some waste under your town.It should help with your heating bill,for about 2,000,000 years.If we took one quarter of the resources currently focused on oil,and moved it towards clean,free energy,we would have it within 10 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Rich Johnson:Clean coal,gas?There&#8217;s no such thing as clean coal,and were running out of gas.As for nuclear,maybe we can store some waste under your town.It should help with your heating bill,for about 2,000,000 years.If we took one quarter of the resources currently focused on oil,and moved it towards clean,free energy,we would have it within 10 years.</p>
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