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	<title>Comments on: When the Power Goes Out, Renewable Energy Trailer Goes to Work in Michigan</title>
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		<title>By: russ</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2009/08/12/when-the-power-goes-out-renewable-energy-trailer-goes-to-work-in-michigan/#comment-6309</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[russ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 13:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Jeff - Went to the article.



1. 5 PV panels for 1 kW - in good sunshine and with batteries might supply 500 watts per hour? Maybe 6 hours per day - that far north is probably less.



2. 2 wind turbines - no name or model there - rated at 3 kW each. With a wind turbine you use a capacity factor of maybe 35% (on the extreme high end of the 10 to 35% range) So 35% * 6 kW *24 = 50 kW per day with a 12 m/s wind speed. At 5 m/s (which is more typical) you might get a fraction of that.



Maybe 50 kW per day - fortunately they do have the generator which would be far less costly. Why not just start with the generator and save the bucks? Carry along enough fuel for a week.



Wouldn&#039;t be as green but more productive, cost effective and practical.



I like wind &amp; PV but have great difficulty seeing them as practical emergency service devices.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jeff &#8211; Went to the article.</p>
<p>1. 5 PV panels for 1 kW &#8211; in good sunshine and with batteries might supply 500 watts per hour? Maybe 6 hours per day &#8211; that far north is probably less.</p>
<p>2. 2 wind turbines &#8211; no name or model there &#8211; rated at 3 kW each. With a wind turbine you use a capacity factor of maybe 35% (on the extreme high end of the 10 to 35% range) So 35% * 6 kW *24 = 50 kW per day with a 12 m/s wind speed. At 5 m/s (which is more typical) you might get a fraction of that.</p>
<p>Maybe 50 kW per day &#8211; fortunately they do have the generator which would be far less costly. Why not just start with the generator and save the bucks? Carry along enough fuel for a week.</p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t be as green but more productive, cost effective and practical.</p>
<p>I like wind &amp; PV but have great difficulty seeing them as practical emergency service devices.</p>
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		<title>By: russ</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2009/08/12/when-the-power-goes-out-renewable-energy-trailer-goes-to-work-in-michigan/#comment-23877</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[russ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 13:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Jeff - Went to the article.



1. 5 PV panels for 1 kW - in good sunshine and with batteries might supply 500 watts per hour? Maybe 6 hours per day - that far north is probably less.



2. 2 wind turbines - no name or model there - rated at 3 kW each. With a wind turbine you use a capacity factor of maybe 35% (on the extreme high end of the 10 to 35% range) So 35% * 6 kW *24 = 50 kW per day with a 12 m/s wind speed. At 5 m/s (which is more typical) you might get a fraction of that.



Maybe 50 kW per day - fortunately they do have the generator which would be far less costly. Why not just start with the generator and save the bucks? Carry along enough fuel for a week.



Wouldn&#039;t be as green but more productive, cost effective and practical.



I like wind &amp; PV but have great difficulty seeing them as practical emergency service devices.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jeff &#8211; Went to the article.</p>
<p>1. 5 PV panels for 1 kW &#8211; in good sunshine and with batteries might supply 500 watts per hour? Maybe 6 hours per day &#8211; that far north is probably less.</p>
<p>2. 2 wind turbines &#8211; no name or model there &#8211; rated at 3 kW each. With a wind turbine you use a capacity factor of maybe 35% (on the extreme high end of the 10 to 35% range) So 35% * 6 kW *24 = 50 kW per day with a 12 m/s wind speed. At 5 m/s (which is more typical) you might get a fraction of that.</p>
<p>Maybe 50 kW per day &#8211; fortunately they do have the generator which would be far less costly. Why not just start with the generator and save the bucks? Carry along enough fuel for a week.</p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t be as green but more productive, cost effective and practical.</p>
<p>I like wind &amp; PV but have great difficulty seeing them as practical emergency service devices.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Kart</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2009/08/12/when-the-power-goes-out-renewable-energy-trailer-goes-to-work-in-michigan/#comment-6308</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Kart]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 22:24:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Russ,



According to The Muskegon Chronicle story (linked above), the standard output is 7 kilowatts of electricity, which can be increased by using the propane generator.



Jeff.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russ,</p>
<p>According to The Muskegon Chronicle story (linked above), the standard output is 7 kilowatts of electricity, which can be increased by using the propane generator.</p>
<p>Jeff.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Kart</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2009/08/12/when-the-power-goes-out-renewable-energy-trailer-goes-to-work-in-michigan/#comment-23876</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Kart]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 22:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Russ,



According to The Muskegon Chronicle story (linked above), the standard output is 7 kilowatts of electricity, which can be increased by using the propane generator.



Jeff.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russ,</p>
<p>According to The Muskegon Chronicle story (linked above), the standard output is 7 kilowatts of electricity, which can be increased by using the propane generator.</p>
<p>Jeff.</p>
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		<title>By: MD</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2009/08/12/when-the-power-goes-out-renewable-energy-trailer-goes-to-work-in-michigan/#comment-6307</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 16:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If they have a railway available, the locals can use diesel locomotives as generators.



The locomotives can be tied into the local grid, of course they need to disconnect portions of the line that are damaged or being worked on.



That is what was used when the substation under the World Trade Center was destroyed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they have a railway available, the locals can use diesel locomotives as generators.</p>
<p>The locomotives can be tied into the local grid, of course they need to disconnect portions of the line that are damaged or being worked on.</p>
<p>That is what was used when the substation under the World Trade Center was destroyed.</p>
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		<title>By: MD</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2009/08/12/when-the-power-goes-out-renewable-energy-trailer-goes-to-work-in-michigan/#comment-23875</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 16:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If they have a railway available, the locals can use diesel locomotives as generators.



The locomotives can be tied into the local grid, of course they need to disconnect portions of the line that are damaged or being worked on.



That is what was used when the substation under the World Trade Center was destroyed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they have a railway available, the locals can use diesel locomotives as generators.</p>
<p>The locomotives can be tied into the local grid, of course they need to disconnect portions of the line that are damaged or being worked on.</p>
<p>That is what was used when the substation under the World Trade Center was destroyed.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Sinister</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2009/08/12/when-the-power-goes-out-renewable-energy-trailer-goes-to-work-in-michigan/#comment-6306</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mr. Sinister]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 06:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe it&#039;s just me, but in the midst of a natural disaster or other such catastrophe, I&#039;d sure feel a lot more comfortable with a heavy duty generator and a big tank of diesel rather than a few solar panels and a couple of wind turbines.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe it&#8217;s just me, but in the midst of a natural disaster or other such catastrophe, I&#8217;d sure feel a lot more comfortable with a heavy duty generator and a big tank of diesel rather than a few solar panels and a couple of wind turbines.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Sinister</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2009/08/12/when-the-power-goes-out-renewable-energy-trailer-goes-to-work-in-michigan/#comment-23874</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mr. Sinister]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 06:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe it&#039;s just me, but in the midst of a natural disaster or other such catastrophe, I&#039;d sure feel a lot more comfortable with a heavy duty generator and a big tank of diesel rather than a few solar panels and a couple of wind turbines.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe it&#8217;s just me, but in the midst of a natural disaster or other such catastrophe, I&#8217;d sure feel a lot more comfortable with a heavy duty generator and a big tank of diesel rather than a few solar panels and a couple of wind turbines.</p>
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		<title>By: russ</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2009/08/12/when-the-power-goes-out-renewable-energy-trailer-goes-to-work-in-michigan/#comment-6305</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[russ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 04:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How much power does this &#039;wonder machine&#039; generate. Not much I expect.



The propane/hydrogen generator must supply virtually all the capacity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How much power does this &#8216;wonder machine&#8217; generate. Not much I expect.</p>
<p>The propane/hydrogen generator must supply virtually all the capacity.</p>
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		<title>By: russ</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2009/08/12/when-the-power-goes-out-renewable-energy-trailer-goes-to-work-in-michigan/#comment-23873</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[russ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 04:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How much power does this &#039;wonder machine&#039; generate. Not much I expect.



The propane/hydrogen generator must supply virtually all the capacity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How much power does this &#8216;wonder machine&#8217; generate. Not much I expect.</p>
<p>The propane/hydrogen generator must supply virtually all the capacity.</p>
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