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		<title>By: Rucio</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2009/08/06/false-flag-wind-nimby-catapaults-propoganda/#comment-6186</link>
		<dc:creator>Rucio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 22:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. From what I&#039;ve read, these families did not &quot;hate&quot; wind turbines. They were assured by the companies that there would be no problem with noise.



2. Denmark&#039;s turbines are mostly small compared to modern machines, and they are not close to homes. Danish law recognizes that property values are effected by nearby turbines. Germany has clear noise regulations that require the turbines to be a substantial distance from homes: in quiet regions, it is 1-1.5 km minimum. One German consultant to developers, Retexo-RISP, said several years ago that wind turbines should not be closer than 2 km from homes.



3. Again, &quot;these people&quot; did not expect and were not looking for ill effects from the turbines. Many of them have been forced to abandon their homes.



P.S. Pierpont&#039;s book is now printed and available at http://www.windturbinesyndrome.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. From what I&#8217;ve read, these families did not &#8220;hate&#8221; wind turbines. They were assured by the companies that there would be no problem with noise.</p>
<p>2. Denmark&#8217;s turbines are mostly small compared to modern machines, and they are not close to homes. Danish law recognizes that property values are effected by nearby turbines. Germany has clear noise regulations that require the turbines to be a substantial distance from homes: in quiet regions, it is 1-1.5 km minimum. One German consultant to developers, Retexo-RISP, said several years ago that wind turbines should not be closer than 2 km from homes.</p>
<p>3. Again, &#8220;these people&#8221; did not expect and were not looking for ill effects from the turbines. Many of them have been forced to abandon their homes.</p>
<p>P.S. Pierpont&#8217;s book is now printed and available at <a href="http://www.windturbinesyndrome.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.windturbinesyndrome.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rucio</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2009/08/06/false-flag-wind-nimby-catapaults-propoganda/#comment-23846</link>
		<dc:creator>Rucio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 22:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. From what I&#039;ve read, these families did not &quot;hate&quot; wind turbines. They were assured by the companies that there would be no problem with noise.



2. Denmark&#039;s turbines are mostly small compared to modern machines, and they are not close to homes. Danish law recognizes that property values are effected by nearby turbines. Germany has clear noise regulations that require the turbines to be a substantial distance from homes: in quiet regions, it is 1-1.5 km minimum. One German consultant to developers, Retexo-RISP, said several years ago that wind turbines should not be closer than 2 km from homes.



3. Again, &quot;these people&quot; did not expect and were not looking for ill effects from the turbines. Many of them have been forced to abandon their homes.



P.S. Pierpont&#039;s book is now printed and available at http://www.windturbinesyndrome.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. From what I&#8217;ve read, these families did not &#8220;hate&#8221; wind turbines. They were assured by the companies that there would be no problem with noise.</p>
<p>2. Denmark&#8217;s turbines are mostly small compared to modern machines, and they are not close to homes. Danish law recognizes that property values are effected by nearby turbines. Germany has clear noise regulations that require the turbines to be a substantial distance from homes: in quiet regions, it is 1-1.5 km minimum. One German consultant to developers, Retexo-RISP, said several years ago that wind turbines should not be closer than 2 km from homes.</p>
<p>3. Again, &#8220;these people&#8221; did not expect and were not looking for ill effects from the turbines. Many of them have been forced to abandon their homes.</p>
<p>P.S. Pierpont&#8217;s book is now printed and available at <a href="http://www.windturbinesyndrome.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.windturbinesyndrome.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2009/08/06/false-flag-wind-nimby-catapaults-propoganda/#comment-6185</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 21:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>38 people form 10 families is not sufficient to study anything.  Find ten families who hate wind turbines and blame ever health problem they have on the wind turbine.  Most of Denmark is powered by wind energy and Germany has built 15,000 turbine in the last 20 years yet this Wind Turbine Syndrome does not seem to exist over there.  There are likely two reasons for this fact 1st more credible scientific research is done and 2nd wind turbines are more accepted over there than they are over here which means fewer people give people like Nina Pierpont an attention and second people don&#039;t blame every problem they have on wind turbines.



There is also the possibility that because these people have gotten it in their head that turbines are bad that they stress themselves out and think they are hearing the sounds that no normal person would here.  In other words if they didn&#039;t know the turbine was there they wouldn&#039;t hear it.  If someone wanted to do a real test they would record the sounds made by a turbine, then replay the recording of the sounds to a residential area that was not aware of it (at the same setback that said turbine would be at) and I doubt there would be very many complaints if any let alone terrible earth shattering health problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>38 people form 10 families is not sufficient to study anything.  Find ten families who hate wind turbines and blame ever health problem they have on the wind turbine.  Most of Denmark is powered by wind energy and Germany has built 15,000 turbine in the last 20 years yet this Wind Turbine Syndrome does not seem to exist over there.  There are likely two reasons for this fact 1st more credible scientific research is done and 2nd wind turbines are more accepted over there than they are over here which means fewer people give people like Nina Pierpont an attention and second people don&#8217;t blame every problem they have on wind turbines.</p>
<p>There is also the possibility that because these people have gotten it in their head that turbines are bad that they stress themselves out and think they are hearing the sounds that no normal person would here.  In other words if they didn&#8217;t know the turbine was there they wouldn&#8217;t hear it.  If someone wanted to do a real test they would record the sounds made by a turbine, then replay the recording of the sounds to a residential area that was not aware of it (at the same setback that said turbine would be at) and I doubt there would be very many complaints if any let alone terrible earth shattering health problems.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2009/08/06/false-flag-wind-nimby-catapaults-propoganda/#comment-23845</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 21:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>38 people form 10 families is not sufficient to study anything.  Find ten families who hate wind turbines and blame ever health problem they have on the wind turbine.  Most of Denmark is powered by wind energy and Germany has built 15,000 turbine in the last 20 years yet this Wind Turbine Syndrome does not seem to exist over there.  There are likely two reasons for this fact 1st more credible scientific research is done and 2nd wind turbines are more accepted over there than they are over here which means fewer people give people like Nina Pierpont an attention and second people don&#039;t blame every problem they have on wind turbines.



There is also the possibility that because these people have gotten it in their head that turbines are bad that they stress themselves out and think they are hearing the sounds that no normal person would here.  In other words if they didn&#039;t know the turbine was there they wouldn&#039;t hear it.  If someone wanted to do a real test they would record the sounds made by a turbine, then replay the recording of the sounds to a residential area that was not aware of it (at the same setback that said turbine would be at) and I doubt there would be very many complaints if any let alone terrible earth shattering health problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>38 people form 10 families is not sufficient to study anything.  Find ten families who hate wind turbines and blame ever health problem they have on the wind turbine.  Most of Denmark is powered by wind energy and Germany has built 15,000 turbine in the last 20 years yet this Wind Turbine Syndrome does not seem to exist over there.  There are likely two reasons for this fact 1st more credible scientific research is done and 2nd wind turbines are more accepted over there than they are over here which means fewer people give people like Nina Pierpont an attention and second people don&#8217;t blame every problem they have on wind turbines.</p>
<p>There is also the possibility that because these people have gotten it in their head that turbines are bad that they stress themselves out and think they are hearing the sounds that no normal person would here.  In other words if they didn&#8217;t know the turbine was there they wouldn&#8217;t hear it.  If someone wanted to do a real test they would record the sounds made by a turbine, then replay the recording of the sounds to a residential area that was not aware of it (at the same setback that said turbine would be at) and I doubt there would be very many complaints if any let alone terrible earth shattering health problems.</p>
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		<title>By: Knowlton Hunter</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2009/08/06/false-flag-wind-nimby-catapaults-propoganda/#comment-6184</link>
		<dc:creator>Knowlton Hunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 22:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I checked out the article referring to the 1.2 Mile separation suggested and this seems to be a number pulled out of the air and then referenced by the author of the article. Most scientific studies call from 250 to 600M - mostly for safety from ice which might be flung up to 100M but also to reduce possible noise issues from the &quot;swish&quot; of blades which can reach levels from 500 to 1000 HZ. Infrasound and Low Frequency Noise from upwind wind turbines has been demonstrated to be well below the threshold where they impact on us humans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I checked out the article referring to the 1.2 Mile separation suggested and this seems to be a number pulled out of the air and then referenced by the author of the article. Most scientific studies call from 250 to 600M &#8211; mostly for safety from ice which might be flung up to 100M but also to reduce possible noise issues from the &#8220;swish&#8221; of blades which can reach levels from 500 to 1000 HZ. Infrasound and Low Frequency Noise from upwind wind turbines has been demonstrated to be well below the threshold where they impact on us humans.</p>
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		<title>By: Knowlton Hunter</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2009/08/06/false-flag-wind-nimby-catapaults-propoganda/#comment-23844</link>
		<dc:creator>Knowlton Hunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 22:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I checked out the article referring to the 1.2 Mile separation suggested and this seems to be a number pulled out of the air and then referenced by the author of the article. Most scientific studies call from 250 to 600M - mostly for safety from ice which might be flung up to 100M but also to reduce possible noise issues from the &quot;swish&quot; of blades which can reach levels from 500 to 1000 HZ. Infrasound and Low Frequency Noise from upwind wind turbines has been demonstrated to be well below the threshold where they impact on us humans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I checked out the article referring to the 1.2 Mile separation suggested and this seems to be a number pulled out of the air and then referenced by the author of the article. Most scientific studies call from 250 to 600M &#8211; mostly for safety from ice which might be flung up to 100M but also to reduce possible noise issues from the &#8220;swish&#8221; of blades which can reach levels from 500 to 1000 HZ. Infrasound and Low Frequency Noise from upwind wind turbines has been demonstrated to be well below the threshold where they impact on us humans.</p>
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		<title>By: Rucio</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2009/08/06/false-flag-wind-nimby-catapaults-propoganda/#comment-6183</link>
		<dc:creator>Rucio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 21:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A sensible statement from last year: &quot;A buffer zone between turbines and residents will probably help prevent most reasonable complaints within a community.&quot;



That was at http://cleantechnica.com/2008/08/18/wind-turbines-and-health/



As noted there, &quot;Two kilometers (1.2 miles) is often cited as an ideal minimum distance for everyone’s comfort.&quot;



Which is exactly what Pierpont suggests.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A sensible statement from last year: &#8220;A buffer zone between turbines and residents will probably help prevent most reasonable complaints within a community.&#8221;</p>
<p>That was at <a href="http://cleantechnica.com/2008/08/18/wind-turbines-and-health/" rel="nofollow">http://cleantechnica.com/2008/08/18/wind-turbines-and-health/</a></p>
<p>As noted there, &#8220;Two kilometers (1.2 miles) is often cited as an ideal minimum distance for everyone’s comfort.&#8221;</p>
<p>Which is exactly what Pierpont suggests.</p>
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		<title>By: Rucio</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2009/08/06/false-flag-wind-nimby-catapaults-propoganda/#comment-23843</link>
		<dc:creator>Rucio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 21:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A sensible statement from last year: &quot;A buffer zone between turbines and residents will probably help prevent most reasonable complaints within a community.&quot;



That was at http://cleantechnica.com/2008/08/18/wind-turbines-and-health/



As noted there, &quot;Two kilometers (1.2 miles) is often cited as an ideal minimum distance for everyone’s comfort.&quot;



Which is exactly what Pierpont suggests.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A sensible statement from last year: &#8220;A buffer zone between turbines and residents will probably help prevent most reasonable complaints within a community.&#8221;</p>
<p>That was at <a href="http://cleantechnica.com/2008/08/18/wind-turbines-and-health/" rel="nofollow">http://cleantechnica.com/2008/08/18/wind-turbines-and-health/</a></p>
<p>As noted there, &#8220;Two kilometers (1.2 miles) is often cited as an ideal minimum distance for everyone’s comfort.&#8221;</p>
<p>Which is exactly what Pierpont suggests.</p>
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		<title>By: Rucio</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2009/08/06/false-flag-wind-nimby-catapaults-propoganda/#comment-6182</link>
		<dc:creator>Rucio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 22:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And yet many many people complain of ill health effects from nearby wind turbines. When they leave the area, their symptoms are relieved. When they return, so do the symptoms.



The owner of the Melancthon facility in Ontario has bought 6 properties of people suffering ill health from the turbines. The purchase agreements included gag orders against publicizing them. (Most leases and even neighbor &quot;forbearance&quot; contracts include gag orders against revealing problems.) Any &quot;self-indulging narcissism&quot; appears to be on the part of the industry and its defenders, not its victims.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And yet many many people complain of ill health effects from nearby wind turbines. When they leave the area, their symptoms are relieved. When they return, so do the symptoms.</p>
<p>The owner of the Melancthon facility in Ontario has bought 6 properties of people suffering ill health from the turbines. The purchase agreements included gag orders against publicizing them. (Most leases and even neighbor &#8220;forbearance&#8221; contracts include gag orders against revealing problems.) Any &#8220;self-indulging narcissism&#8221; appears to be on the part of the industry and its defenders, not its victims.</p>
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		<title>By: Rucio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rucio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 22:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And yet many many people complain of ill health effects from nearby wind turbines. When they leave the area, their symptoms are relieved. When they return, so do the symptoms.



The owner of the Melancthon facility in Ontario has bought 6 properties of people suffering ill health from the turbines. The purchase agreements included gag orders against publicizing them. (Most leases and even neighbor &quot;forbearance&quot; contracts include gag orders against revealing problems.) Any &quot;self-indulging narcissism&quot; appears to be on the part of the industry and its defenders, not its victims.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And yet many many people complain of ill health effects from nearby wind turbines. When they leave the area, their symptoms are relieved. When they return, so do the symptoms.</p>
<p>The owner of the Melancthon facility in Ontario has bought 6 properties of people suffering ill health from the turbines. The purchase agreements included gag orders against publicizing them. (Most leases and even neighbor &#8220;forbearance&#8221; contracts include gag orders against revealing problems.) Any &#8220;self-indulging narcissism&#8221; appears to be on the part of the industry and its defenders, not its victims.</p>
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